So what is everyone’s prediction for how the flight will go?
Quote from: Revolver Ocelot on 04/14/2023 10:57 pmSo what is everyone’s prediction for how the flight will go? Up and then down again.
Quote from: jpo234 on 04/14/2023 10:59 pmQuote from: Revolver Ocelot on 04/14/2023 10:57 pmSo what is everyone’s prediction for how the flight will go? Up and then down again.The first part of that is yet TBD....
Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future.
Quote from: Nevyn72 on 04/14/2023 11:02 pmQuote from: jpo234 on 04/14/2023 10:59 pmQuote from: Revolver Ocelot on 04/14/2023 10:57 pmSo what is everyone’s prediction for how the flight will go? Up and then down again.The first part of that is yet TBD....If the fire starts it'll go up for sure. How fast and how high would be the question.
nd put the Starship stage into a stable orbit three or four seconds after the first stage separates.
Quote from: Nevyn72 on 04/14/2023 11:02 pmQuote from: jpo234 on 04/14/2023 10:59 pmQuote from: Revolver Ocelot on 04/14/2023 10:57 pmSo what is everyone’s prediction for how the flight will go? Up and then down again.The first part of that is yet TBD....As Niels Bohr said: QuotePrediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future.
Quote from: testguy on 04/14/2023 04:08 pmTake this as pure speculation, I am NOT a lawyer. There was some speculation a while back that an injunction stopping Star Ship launch may happen due to environmental issues. I would think you can't get an injunction without a launch license in place. Therefore, might SpaceX try to delay the license until late Friday after the courts are closed and try to get a launch off on Monday before the courts reopen?IANAL either, but an emergency injunction can theoretically be obtained by finding an appropriate judge willing to issue one, even after hours. Mind, if you're disturbing a judge on his days off, you'd better have a pretty solid case, and since the FAA already went through the environmental evaluation last year, good luck with that.
Take this as pure speculation, I am NOT a lawyer. There was some speculation a while back that an injunction stopping Star Ship launch may happen due to environmental issues. I would think you can't get an injunction without a launch license in place. Therefore, might SpaceX try to delay the license until late Friday after the courts are closed and try to get a launch off on Monday before the courts reopen?
A 122 page document has been published by the FAA in relation to the launch license: https://www.faa.gov/media/27236I've only skimmed through it, but there's a lot of detailed information relating to the test flight (specifically the "landings" and their environmental impact) that I'm sure will be of interest.One excerpt on page 3 seems to suggest that Ship 25 is being skipped in favor of S26:QuoteSpaceX also proposes to add an area southwest of Hawaii, uprange of the passive descent oceanlanding area, to account for the potential Starship debris field for the second and third launches ofStarship that are not configured to survive atmospheric reentry.Quote SpaceX would expend Starship (break up upon atmospheric entry) following the second and third launches.]
SpaceX also proposes to add an area southwest of Hawaii, uprange of the passive descent oceanlanding area, to account for the potential Starship debris field for the second and third launches ofStarship that are not configured to survive atmospheric reentry.
SpaceX would expend Starship (break up upon atmospheric entry) following the second and third launches.
IANAL either, but an emergency injunction can theoretically be obtained by finding an appropriate judge willing to issue one, even after hours. Mind, if you're disturbing a judge on his days off, you'd better have a pretty solid case, and since the FAA already went through the environmental evaluation last year, good luck with that.
Welp I was going to sleep but instead spent about an hour reading through this 122 page PDF that came out today along with the license. This is a re-evaluation of the PEA specific for the flight profile of the first few flights of Starship, cool stuff. faa.gov/media/27236
Some of the stuff that I found interesting:- Second and Third flights of Starship will be with S26 and S27 (expected but now comfirmed)- Super Heavy will be landing on the surface of the ocean. SpaceX will NOT recover it and will instead try to sink it in any way possible
- Ship 24 will have onboard flight recorders to be retrieved for data. This we kinda guessed from the hardware installed on its exterior but now it's confirmed.QuoteAs part of that study, they needed to study the way the transfer tube on Starship may be damaged due to sudden impacts. Something that they had previous experienced with SN10's hard landing- A lot went into figuring out the impact to marine life due to Ship 24's impact with the water
As part of that study, they needed to study the way the transfer tube on Starship may be damaged due to sudden impacts. Something that they had previous experienced with SN10's hard landing
Lastly, the document was signed just this afternoon which makes me think was the "hold up" for the FAA to finally wrap up and grant the license.
An extra thought from this is...This document covers the FireX system on the pad and it's supposed to be at least the first three flights. It doesn't mention the deluge system SpaceX is building so it makes me think this system may not debut until the fourth flight 🤔
In addition to everything else, SpaceX confirmed in an email that it will allow accredited press to set remote cameras about 500 feet away from the launch mount! Should result in some amazing photos if the dust clouds aren't too awful
