You might want to take a look at the 19,000 or so comments submitted by the public on the PEA. A large number of them were form letters submitted by Sierra Club members opposing launch operations on environmental grounds.
Quote from: DanClemmensen on 04/05/2023 03:45 pmYou might want to take a look at the 19,000 or so comments submitted by the public on the PEA. A large number of them were form letters submitted by Sierra Club members opposing launch operations on environmental grounds.Weren't they all the same? That's called spam in my dictionary, they proved back then that they are a joke, they have no real arguments so they can't stop it, but they can delay it using legal means.
There were legitimate environmental concerns, and they were carefully considered and addressed.
Quote from: DanClemmensen on 04/05/2023 05:06 pmThere were legitimate environmental concerns, and they were carefully considered and addressed.How do we know that they were addressed? We know they were mentioned in the document, but I haven't seen anything on them being addressed.
Quote from: Lee Jay on 04/05/2023 05:49 pmQuote from: DanClemmensen on 04/05/2023 05:06 pmThere were legitimate environmental concerns, and they were carefully considered and addressed.How do we know that they were addressed? We know they were mentioned in the document, but I haven't seen anything on them being addressed.The fact that a mitigated FONSI was issued would imply that they have been addressed but not all taken care of. A launch license would indicate that they have worked through any remaining issues as I understand it.
Who would ever approve a rocket launch site at a wildlife refuge? Oh, I almost forgot that Cape Canaveral has shared the Merritt Island National Wildlife Refuge for 70 years.
Quote from: craiglv2 on 04/05/2023 07:56 pmWho would ever approve a rocket launch site at a wildlife refuge? Oh, I almost forgot that Cape Canaveral has shared the Merritt Island National Wildlife Refuge for 70 years.Keep in mind that CCSFB and KSC had several communities on them before they were taken over and rolled into the wildlife refuge.It wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the need for the large unpopulated areas.I lived and worked there for 2.5 years, never should have left. Despite the oppressive summers it's a magical place for the rockets and wildlife. Maybe Boca Chica could benefit from this in a similar way.
Quote from: wannamoonbase on 04/05/2023 08:11 pmQuote from: craiglv2 on 04/05/2023 07:56 pmWho would ever approve a rocket launch site at a wildlife refuge? Oh, I almost forgot that Cape Canaveral has shared the Merritt Island National Wildlife Refuge for 70 years.Keep in mind that CCSFB and KSC had several communities on them before they were taken over and rolled into the wildlife refuge.It wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the need for the large unpopulated areas.I lived and worked there for 2.5 years, never should have left. Despite the oppressive summers it's a magical place for the rockets and wildlife. Maybe Boca Chica could benefit from this in a similar way. I remember watching a small documentary about the wildlife refuge and about the people who lived there and had to leave. One of the person in it actually grew up there before his family was moved out, he later went into orbit with NASA and now runs NASA, Bill Nelson.
Quote from: sferrin on 04/05/2023 12:33 pmQuote from: Robotbeat on 04/05/2023 04:21 amQuote from: kraisee on 04/05/2023 03:27 amEric Berger says:QuoteThe real risk I have heard about is a last-minute civil lawsuit. In this scenario, the FAA issues the license and a civil suit is immediately filed for environmental reasons. It is possible a judge would issue a temporary injunction.So who is behind this possible lawsuit? I'd guess either Boca Chica locals, or one of SpX's competitors trying to harm their efforts. Anyone know more?Ross.I would expect it's neither, but an outside environmental group. If it happens.And if you follow the money. . . So? Have you? Followed the money, that is? What does your financial research and investigation reveal? Or is this some kind of conspiratorial shadow-chasing?
Quote from: Robotbeat on 04/05/2023 04:21 amQuote from: kraisee on 04/05/2023 03:27 amEric Berger says:QuoteThe real risk I have heard about is a last-minute civil lawsuit. In this scenario, the FAA issues the license and a civil suit is immediately filed for environmental reasons. It is possible a judge would issue a temporary injunction.So who is behind this possible lawsuit? I'd guess either Boca Chica locals, or one of SpX's competitors trying to harm their efforts. Anyone know more?Ross.I would expect it's neither, but an outside environmental group. If it happens.And if you follow the money. . .
Quote from: kraisee on 04/05/2023 03:27 amEric Berger says:QuoteThe real risk I have heard about is a last-minute civil lawsuit. In this scenario, the FAA issues the license and a civil suit is immediately filed for environmental reasons. It is possible a judge would issue a temporary injunction.So who is behind this possible lawsuit? I'd guess either Boca Chica locals, or one of SpX's competitors trying to harm their efforts. Anyone know more?Ross.I would expect it's neither, but an outside environmental group. If it happens.
Eric Berger says:QuoteThe real risk I have heard about is a last-minute civil lawsuit. In this scenario, the FAA issues the license and a civil suit is immediately filed for environmental reasons. It is possible a judge would issue a temporary injunction.So who is behind this possible lawsuit? I'd guess either Boca Chica locals, or one of SpX's competitors trying to harm their efforts. Anyone know more?Ross.
The real risk I have heard about is a last-minute civil lawsuit. In this scenario, the FAA issues the license and a civil suit is immediately filed for environmental reasons. It is possible a judge would issue a temporary injunction.
Quote from: craiglv2 on 04/05/2023 07:56 pmWho would ever approve a rocket launch site at a wildlife refuge? Oh, I almost forgot that Cape Canaveral has shared the Merritt Island National Wildlife Refuge for 70 years.That's why just claiming some kind of "environmental" basis for any putative legal action is specious. My suggestion above is the kind of specific and focused approach someone would have to take if they want to challenge a lawfully-granted license; they would have to argue with some degree of particularity that there was a flaw in the licensing process or - more likely - that one of the preconditions for grant of a license was not met. Failing to meet one of the environmental mitigations promised in the finding of Mitigated FONSI could be such a basis.
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