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#560
by
Chris Bergin
on 04 Apr, 2023 04:15
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#561
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 04 Apr, 2023 07:03
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twitter.com/nextspaceflight/status/1643146563982880770
Regarding the launch license, there is no known reason why SpaceX cannot launch within days of receiving it. If you wait for it, you may be planning too late! That is why we are now going with April 10. If they get the license this week. Early next is possible.
https://twitter.com/nextspaceflight/status/1643147019522043904That said, due to the nature of the beast, do not be surprised if there are considerable delays. Plan accordingly!
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#562
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 04 Apr, 2023 22:58
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twitter.com/csi_starbase/status/1643358310639325184
In the event of a scrubbed launch attempt for the first Starship Orbital Flight Test, it will take at least 3 days to top off the Orbital Tank Farm.
This is based on the number of tankers needed to refill the storage tanks after the Wet Dress Rehearsal
https://twitter.com/thetimellis/status/1643359449657245699I’d also imagine fuel conditioning with subcooled and methane could be a factor too. Speculation, but from experience with methane we saw this too.
twitter.com/csi_starbase/status/1643370758322700290
Hi Tim! Are you able to expand on this a little more? I've actually been really curious about this topic.
https://twitter.com/thetimellis/status/1643384699849678848Talked about it a little in our Terran 1 launch thread, but tldr if they are using liquid natural gas and not pure methane (likely, because it’s so much cheaper, but I don’t know for sure) then it has a small but significant quantity of other longer chain hydrocarbons like ethane, butane, propane, etc that will preferentially boil off slower than methane, so methane concentration goes down in ground storage tanks over time, and you must take this into account for recycle attempts on scrubs for the rocket. Depends on GSE design, there are ways to mitigate this and I have no clue if they have, but just mentioning it’s a factor. Subcooling also adds complexity to this to get temperatures right, but does help freeze out some contaminants.
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#563
by
kraisee
on 05 Apr, 2023 03:27
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Eric Berger says:
The real risk I have heard about is a last-minute civil lawsuit. In this scenario, the FAA issues the license and a civil suit is immediately filed for environmental reasons. It is possible a judge would issue a temporary injunction.
So who is behind this possible lawsuit? I'd guess either Boca Chica locals, or one of SpX's competitors trying to harm their efforts. Anyone know more?
Ross.
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#564
by
Robotbeat
on 05 Apr, 2023 04:21
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Eric Berger says:
The real risk I have heard about is a last-minute civil lawsuit. In this scenario, the FAA issues the license and a civil suit is immediately filed for environmental reasons. It is possible a judge would issue a temporary injunction.
So who is behind this possible lawsuit? I'd guess either Boca Chica locals, or one of SpX's competitors trying to harm their efforts. Anyone know more?
Ross.
I would expect it's neither, but an outside environmental group. If it happens.
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#565
by
M.E.T.
on 05 Apr, 2023 06:21
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#566
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 05 Apr, 2023 08:53
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#567
by
sferrin
on 05 Apr, 2023 12:33
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Eric Berger says:
The real risk I have heard about is a last-minute civil lawsuit. In this scenario, the FAA issues the license and a civil suit is immediately filed for environmental reasons. It is possible a judge would issue a temporary injunction.
So who is behind this possible lawsuit? I'd guess either Boca Chica locals, or one of SpX's competitors trying to harm their efforts. Anyone know more?
Ross.
I would expect it's neither, but an outside environmental group. If it happens.
And if you follow the money. . .
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#568
by
Herb Schaltegger
on 05 Apr, 2023 12:45
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Eric Berger says:
The real risk I have heard about is a last-minute civil lawsuit. In this scenario, the FAA issues the license and a civil suit is immediately filed for environmental reasons. It is possible a judge would issue a temporary injunction.
So who is behind this possible lawsuit? I'd guess either Boca Chica locals, or one of SpX's competitors trying to harm their efforts. Anyone know more?
Ross.
I would expect it's neither, but an outside environmental group. If it happens.
And if you follow the money. . .
So? Have you? Followed the money, that is? What does your financial research and investigation reveal? Or is this some kind of conspiratorial shadow-chasing?
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#569
by
darthguili
on 05 Apr, 2023 12:57
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This could/will be a historic moment for spaceflight and I expect more from this forum than some low level conspiracy BS.
Let's all take a higher road please.
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#570
by
plank
on 05 Apr, 2023 13:33
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As I understand it. There is going to be one last de-stack for FTS? Then re-stack and launch?
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#571
by
Robotbeat
on 05 Apr, 2023 14:03
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This could/will be a historic moment for spaceflight and I expect more from this forum than some low level conspiracy BS.
Let's all take a higher road please.
I agree largely, but I do think it’s a real risk… in which case the solution is to SHUT UP ABOUT IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA!!
(I keep thinking about these tweets… “stop giving them ideas!!” And luckily hardly anyone reads into the depths of these forums, so we’re safe here except from other space nerds.)
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#572
by
Robotbeat
on 05 Apr, 2023 14:05
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Ironically, the more that people on social media claim Starship is vaporware and won’t ever launch, the less SpaceX has to worry about organized interference.
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#573
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 05 Apr, 2023 14:19
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#574
by
Robotbeat
on 05 Apr, 2023 14:31
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Clickbait title!! (I clicked LOL.)
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#575
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 05 Apr, 2023 14:35
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https://twitter.com/ringwatchers/status/1643609087500746753With Starship’s launch finally getting closer, many have been wondering about the onboard cameras. There are many on Starship and Superheavy, and while we don’t know about all of them, let’s look at the ones we do. (1/11)
📸 @CosmicalChief
All renders provided by @ChameleonCir
Starting on the Ship, there is a downwards-facing camera located on the underside of one of the forward flaps. This will give a nice extended view out from the side of the vehicle. You may remember seeing a similar view on SN15's flight test. (2/11)
📸 @RGVaerialphotos
https://twitter.com/ringwatchers/status/1643609367944613891There are 2 more cameras located on the side of the Ship, embedded in this triangular block. One is watching a forward flap, and the other is watching an aft flap. These cameras will likely be useful during the reentry phase. (3/11)
📸 @RGVaerialphotos
2 more are located on the side of the Ship facing outwards. It's unclear what these are watching, but they should provide some cool views. You can just see the lenses behind the transparent covers. (4/11)
📸 @RGVaerialphotos
https://twitter.com/ringwatchers/status/1643609669179416578Moving down the Ship further, there are internal tank cameras confirmed to be in the CH4 tank of the vehicle. It's not entirely clear if there is one in the LOX tank, but it may look like the pictured render. (5/11)
📸 @RGVaerialphotos
Inside the skirt, there is at least 1 camera positioned to watch the 6 Raptor engines during the flight. This view was seen a lot on the Suborbital Flight Tests, and that view certainly hasn't gone away. (6/11)
📸 @SpaceX
https://twitter.com/ringwatchers/status/1643609839828979714Now, these are just the confirmed cameras on the Ship. There are likely others in the skirt, Payload Bay, and other areas, but we can only confirm that once we see evidence of them. Either way, let's move on to the Superheavy Booster. (7/11)
There is a camera placed inside the Booster's interstage that can see both stages of the vehicle. This may be one of the angles we see during stage separation on ascent. (8/11)
📸 @SpaceX
https://twitter.com/ringwatchers/status/1643610134239748096Another camera is located above one of the Booster's grid fins and load points. This view is at an angle and should look something like this. During the descent, this may be one of the views we get to see. (9/11)
📸 @RGVaerialphotos @SpaceX
Like the Ship, the Booster also has internal tank cameras. One is confirmed to be in the CH4 tank, and it remains unconfirmed if others are in the LOX tank or other areas. The LOX tank render pictured is speculative, as with the Ship. (10/11)
📸 @SpaceX
https://twitter.com/ringwatchers/status/1643610435290103810These are many of the onboard cameras that we know of, but there are certainly many more that have gone unnoticed. Remember that many of these may be kept as engineering cameras only, but we can hope for as many views as possible! (11/11)
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#576
by
kevinof
on 05 Apr, 2023 14:36
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I didn't (and wont click). Detest videos with clickbait titles and never (don't care who produces them) watch them as a result.
Clickbait title!! (I clicked LOL.)
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#577
by
Oersted
on 05 Apr, 2023 15:25
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Eric Berger says:
The real risk I have heard about is a last-minute civil lawsuit. In this scenario, the FAA issues the license and a civil suit is immediately filed for environmental reasons. It is possible a judge would issue a temporary injunction.
So who is behind this possible lawsuit? I'd guess either Boca Chica locals, or one of SpX's competitors trying to harm their efforts. Anyone know more?
Ross.
I would expect it's neither, but an outside environmental group. If it happens.
I would guess an environmental group focused on protecting the AMAZON.... Or an affiliated group with a similar ORIGIN... Hint, hint, wink, wink....
(Just kidding)
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#578
by
DanClemmensen
on 05 Apr, 2023 15:45
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Eric Berger says:
The real risk I have heard about is a last-minute civil lawsuit. In this scenario, the FAA issues the license and a civil suit is immediately filed for environmental reasons. It is possible a judge would issue a temporary injunction.
So who is behind this possible lawsuit? I'd guess either Boca Chica locals, or one of SpX's competitors trying to harm their efforts. Anyone know more?
Ross.
I would expect it's neither, but an outside environmental group. If it happens.
I would guess an environmental group focused on protecting the AMAZON.... Or an affiliated group with a similar ORIGIN... Hint, hint, wink, wink....
(Just kidding)
You might want to take a look at the 19,000 or so comments submitted by the public on the PEA. A large number of them were form letters submitted by Sierra Club members opposing launch operations on environmental grounds.
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#579
by
alugobi
on 05 Apr, 2023 16:12
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The Ring Watchers are just so excellent.
(I keep thinking about these tweets… “stop giving them ideas!!” And luckily hardly anyone reads into the depths of these forums, so we’re safe here except from other space nerds.)
