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#540
by
OneSpeed
on 01 Apr, 2023 05:08
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No idea why this was dated 25 Mar.
In addition to the notice posted above, there are these two also ...
LHA and Space Debris maps from the NGA notices. Edit: added splashdown area.
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#541
by
mlindner
on 01 Apr, 2023 20:47
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So am I correct in assuming that this shows that there will be no attempt to land the booster?
Edit: This post is asking if this confirms there is no attempt to land the booster on the ocean in the Gulf.
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#542
by
southshore26
on 01 Apr, 2023 20:51
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There was never a plan for this booster to land anywhere other than the Gulf of Mexico
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#543
by
kevinof
on 01 Apr, 2023 21:05
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So am I correct in assuming that this shows that there will be no attempt to land the booster?
Correct. Plan was always to splash both on the first attempt. Booster in the gulf and SS in Pacific.
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#544
by
Aphelios
on 01 Apr, 2023 21:30
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#545
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 01 Apr, 2023 22:31
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#546
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 01 Apr, 2023 22:40
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https://twitter.com/planet4589/status/1642283054780522497Based on the NOTAMs and Marco's estimate, here is a rendering of the Starship near-orbital test flight trajectory (1/n)
.... SE over the Atlantic...
.. over Namibia and the Indian Ocean
... past Indonesia and on to the Pacific ...
... and then reentry at first perigee for debris impact 250 km NNE of Honolulu
Zoom in on impact area
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#547
by
mlindner
on 01 Apr, 2023 23:07
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There was never a plan for this booster to land anywhere other than the Gulf of Mexico
To be clear, and I've edited my post as such (I've been here a while, please assume normal assumptions of people asking questions on this forum), I was asking if this confirms there is no attempt for ocean landing in the Gulf of Mexico. As there doesn't seem to be any specific landing area like there is for Hawaii. It was always very obvious that there was no chance for a land landing.
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#548
by
alugobi
on 01 Apr, 2023 23:54
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It's going to hit the water, one way or another. Either they light the engines or they don't.
So, a "soft" landing, or a fast, hard one. What do you think they'll do?
Edit: My own guess? After we saw video and pics of that series of buoys that they had stacked around the site somewhere, I had the idea that they were going to put those out in the Gulf where they intend to boost back to. And those will have cameras and other telemetry recording devices for recording the return to the surface. So I vote "soft" landing, like they did with F9 several times.
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#549
by
jpo234
on 03 Apr, 2023 08:40
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#550
by
geza
on 03 Apr, 2023 10:13
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There was never a plan for this booster to land anywhere other than the Gulf of Mexico
I am surprised because there was quite specific talk here about SH boostback and offshore soft landing. In conjunction of an FCC submission it was even assumed that landing attempt & catch at the launch site was also in the cards. All of these were baseless speculation?
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#551
by
jpo234
on 03 Apr, 2023 11:11
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There was never a plan for this booster to land anywhere other than the Gulf of Mexico
I am surprised because there was quite specific talk here about SH boostback and offshore soft landing. In conjunction of an FCC submission it was even assumed that landing attempt & catch at the launch site was also in the cards. All of these were baseless speculation?
An "offshore soft landing" would be in the Gulf of Mexico, so I don't see a contradiction.
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#552
by
kevinof
on 03 Apr, 2023 11:24
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There was never a plan for this booster to land anywhere other than the Gulf of Mexico
I am surprised because there was quite specific talk here about SH boostback and offshore soft landing. In conjunction of an FCC submission it was even assumed that landing attempt & catch at the launch site was also in the cards. All of these were baseless speculation?
NSF is great at going “what if…” and adding lots of speculation. The only plan I’ve ever heard from SpaceX was no boostback, splash the booster in the gulf but attempt a soft splash to see how far they get. No way they are risking a boostback and catch on a first flight.
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#553
by
eriblo
on 03 Apr, 2023 12:03
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There was never a plan for this booster to land anywhere other than the Gulf of Mexico
I am surprised because there was quite specific talk here about SH boostback and offshore soft landing. In conjunction of an FCC submission it was even assumed that landing attempt & catch at the launch site was also in the cards. All of these were baseless speculation?
NSF is great at going “what if…” and adding lots of speculation. The only plan I’ve ever heard from SpaceX was no boostback, splash the booster in the gulf but attempt a soft splash to see how far they get. No way they are risking a boostback and catch on a first flight.
Original FCC exhibit 0748-EX-ST-2021
Flight Profile
The Starship Orbital test flight will originate from Starbase, TX. The Booster stage will separate approximately 170 seconds into flight. The Booster will then perform a partial return and land in the Gulf of Mexico approximately 20 miles from the shore.
Updated FCC exhibit 1169-EX-ST-2022
FLIGHT PROFILE
The Starship-Super Heavy test flight will originate from Starbase, TX. The booster stage will separate and will then perform a partial return and land in the Gulf of Mexico or return to Starbase and be caught by the launch tower.
There has been no mention of anything other than a boost back.
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#554
by
crandles57
on 03 Apr, 2023 12:25
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There was never a plan for this booster to land anywhere other than the Gulf of Mexico
I am surprised because there was quite specific talk here about SH boostback and offshore soft landing. In conjunction of an FCC submission it was even assumed that landing attempt & catch at the launch site was also in the cards. All of these were baseless speculation?
NSF is great at going “what if…” and adding lots of speculation. The only plan I’ve ever heard from SpaceX was no boostback, splash the booster in the gulf but attempt a soft splash to see how far they get. No way they are risking a boostback and catch on a first flight.
There was a document from SpaceX
This time around, SpaceX says that the Super Heavy booster will “will separate[,] perform a partial return[,] and land in the Gulf of Mexico or return to Starbase and be caught by the launch tower.”
Note the "or", so AFAIK it was never confirmed that they would as some media indicated. This always seemed an unlikely possibility to me as they will surely want to see that they can control its positioning before risking the tower. I think this should be viewed more like someone covering all eventualities than a serious plan to do it. So perhaps not completely baseless speculation but catch attempt always a pretty unlikely eventuality.
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#555
by
Vettedrmr
on 03 Apr, 2023 12:38
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This always seemed an unlikely possibility to me as they will surely want to see that they can control its positioning before risking the tower.
I agree, but for a different reason. They won't have had a chance to inspect the launch facilities before the booster lands, so they'll have little information on how it survived the first launch.
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#556
by
Tangilinear Interjar
on 03 Apr, 2023 15:22
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I'm pretty sure that the shock absorbing mechanism on the chopsticks is not operational yet. At least I haven't seen it tested any that should be a pretty obvious test.
That part of the system is critical for catching the booster.
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#557
by
kevinof
on 03 Apr, 2023 16:24
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oops sorry. My bad!
There was never a plan for this booster to land anywhere other than the Gulf of Mexico
I am surprised because there was quite specific talk here about SH boostback and offshore soft landing. In conjunction of an FCC submission it was even assumed that landing attempt & catch at the launch site was also in the cards. All of these were baseless speculation?
NSF is great at going “what if…” and adding lots of speculation. The only plan I’ve ever heard from SpaceX was no boostback, splash the booster in the gulf but attempt a soft splash to see how far they get. No way they are risking a boostback and catch on a first flight.
Original FCC exhibit 0748-EX-ST-2021
Flight Profile
The Starship Orbital test flight will originate from Starbase, TX. The Booster stage will separate approximately 170 seconds into flight. The Booster will then perform a partial return and land in the Gulf of Mexico approximately 20 miles from the shore.
Updated FCC exhibit 1169-EX-ST-2022
FLIGHT PROFILE
The Starship-Super Heavy test flight will originate from Starbase, TX. The booster stage will separate and will then perform a partial return and land in the Gulf of Mexico or return to Starbase and be caught by the launch tower.
There has been no mention of anything other than a boost back.
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#558
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 04 Apr, 2023 02:34
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https://twitter.com/michael10711597/status/1643058062696288256Buoy update: this is the grid conformation for SpaceX' PATON buoys for the first Starbase OFT flight. Stay out of area please.
Guaranteed excitement. @LunarCaveman @InfographicTony
@SpaceX @DrSianProctor
@SpaceOffshore @cnunezimages
@LabPadre @RGVaerialphotos
@elonmusk
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#559
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 04 Apr, 2023 02:45
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