Author Topic: SpaceX Starship : First Flight : Starbase, TX : 20 April 2023 - DISCUSSION  (Read 532616 times)

Offline clongton

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re. The timing.
spacex.com states that the broadcast will begin at 6:15am for a 6:15 + "45 minutes before" = 7am launch, which squares with the 7am "test window" text.

It's important to note that all the posted times are local to Boca Chica - Central Time.
Plan you personal schedules accordingly.
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It wasn't the elevator that dropped.
Neither was it a counter weight.

My source says that you can take that to the bank.

And I say that the concern trolls can go home and cry about it. End of story.

I've amplified the noise by believing an early and it turns out very unreliable source that it was elevator-related.
Apologies.

I'm still somewhat amazed that something can fall into or at least down the elevator shaft without grinding work to a halt, and am incredulous about the processing with man lifts and stair access.

There's a lot about this processing flow and the determination and pressure to proceed that makes an old dog like me see it as reckless.
I'll be watching the remaining processing and launch attempt with interest and an open mind.

I do hope that the launch attempt succeeds wildly, and if nothing else I hope that it clears the pad and at least gets down range far enough that the next  attempt can be relatively quickly.
If you had an open mind about it, you wouldn't be characterizing the launch attempt as "reckless". 

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What time tomorrow morning will the official NSF webcast for the Starship IFT begin?
Midnight central time for your roadblocks and venting viewing pleasure.

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Is there a ground track available for the Starship? What will be its inclination?

Any chance from seeing it flying above Euorpe? (Obviously not too much)

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Is there a ground track available for the Starship? What will be its inclination?

Any chance from seeing it flying above Europe? (Obviously not too much)
It will pass over southern Africa.
« Last Edit: 04/16/2023 09:57 pm by baking »

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It wasn't the elevator that dropped.
Neither was it a counter weight.

My source says that you can take that to the bank.

And I say that the concern trolls can go home and cry about it. End of story.

I've amplified the noise by believing an early and it turns out very unreliable source that it was elevator-related.  Apologies.

I'm still somewhat amazed that something can fall into or at least down the elevator shaft without grinding work to a halt, and am incredulous about the processing with man lifts and stair access.

There's a lot about this processing flow and the determination and pressure to proceed that makes an old dog like me see it as reckless.
I'll be watching the remaining processing and launch attempt with interest and an open mind.

I do hope that the launch attempt succeeds wildly, and if nothing else I hope that it clears the pad and at least gets down range far enough that the next  attempt can be relatively quickly.

It's heartening to see an "old dog" from "old space" cheering on this historic attempt...even if the "interest" and "open mind" comes with skepticism about what he sees as a "reckless" flow and launch attempt.

I don't so much begrudge him the "reckless" characterization.  The opposite of "reckless" are words like "careful," "deliberate" and even "reckoned." Literally, to be "reckless" is not to "reckon," or consider, carefully the consequences.   It's not quite accurate to consider SpaceX' high-speed rapid-iteration process as "reckless."  They just "reckon" very quickly, iterate, then charge ahead.  It's different from--and not necessarily better or worse than--old space's approach.

I'm 75, and an ardent follower of all things space since my childhood.   I've followed SpaceX since Falcon 1, Flight 1 and the corroded B-nut; I don't consider myself a "fanboi," but an occasionally skeptical, mostly admiring, follower.

So when I see an old dog like jimvela pull back a bit from a harsh initial position, and even apologize, then cheer the mission on, I'm inclined to offer some grace and not bust him on the use of "reckless."

Just my ramblings as we await the making of some history....


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Is there a ground track available for the Starship? What will be its inclination?

Any chance from seeing it flying above Europe? (Obviously not too much)
I will pass over southern Africa.
Have a nice trip!

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Is there a ground track available for the Starship? What will be its inclination?

Any chance from seeing it flying above Euorpe? (Obviously not too much)

https://twitter.com/Marco_Langbroek/status/1647593329268252675
Quote from: Dr Marco Langbroek · @Marco_Langbroek · 13:30 UTC · Apr 16, 2023
Tomorrow's #Starship trajectory.
Numbers next to positions are minutes after launch.

No visibility after launch (passes over land are either in daylight or earth shadow).
But the reentry fireball will be visible from Hawaii.

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Is there a ground track available for the Starship? What will be its inclination?

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We are at T-15 h

Is the village cleared at the same time the road is closed?
At what time will we see noticeable tank farm activity? NSF live says it will be hours before propellant loading. Do we have anything more precise or does it vary every time?
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The Scott Manley video on this has a really interesting tidbit.

"...I'm going to be getting on a plane to fly out in that direction, but I'm not going there.  Believe it or not there's something cooler that I have to go to.  I can't tell you what it is."

WTH?

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What are the chances any of this will be visible on the gulf side of Florida as the rocket gets higher up?

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https://twitter.com/trevormahlmann/status/1647716016237977603

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Starship Test Flight sound-activated camera setup. I’ll quote tweet this tomorrow with the results😃🚀

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Is there a ground track available for the Starship? What will be its inclination?

Any chance from seeing it flying above Europe? (Obviously not too much)
I will pass over southern Africa.

But - sadly - in daylight. It'll be over quite far to the north of my location early afternoon local time. 15h30 GMT?

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https://twitter.com/erdayastronaut/status/1647716683056807939

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The world’s biggest and most powerful rocket ever built… and just me, some goofball who’s going to ride that thing some day 🤯 can’t wait to finally see this thing fly tomorrow!!! 🙌

I can’t imagine the feeling of watching this live at all, let alone and knowing that you’ll be on it one day.

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https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1647722057864495105

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I've interviewed about 100 SpaceXers on their final hours before the first Falcon 1, Falcon 9, and Falcon Heavy launches. It was pure madness and adrenaline in all three cases. The engineers and technicians who've gone nonstop on Starship have my respect and best wishes tonight.

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It wasn't the elevator that dropped.
Neither was it a counter weight.

My source says that you can take that to the bank.

And I say that the concern trolls can go home and cry about it. End of story.

I've amplified the noise by believing an early and it turns out very unreliable source that it was elevator-related.  Apologies.

I'm still somewhat amazed that something can fall into or at least down the elevator shaft without grinding work to a halt, and am incredulous about the processing with man lifts and stair access.

There's a lot about this processing flow and the determination and pressure to proceed that makes an old dog like me see it as reckless.
I'll be watching the remaining processing and launch attempt with interest and an open mind.

I do hope that the launch attempt succeeds wildly, and if nothing else I hope that it clears the pad and at least gets down range far enough that the next  attempt can be relatively quickly.

It's heartening to see an "old dog" from "old space" cheering on this historic attempt...even if the "interest" and "open mind" comes with skepticism about what he sees as a "reckless" flow and launch attempt.

I don't so much begrudge him the "reckless" characterization.  The opposite of "reckless" are words like "careful," "deliberate" and even "reckoned." Literally, to be "reckless" is not to "reckon," or consider, carefully the consequences.   It's not quite accurate to consider SpaceX' high-speed rapid-iteration process as "reckless."  They just "reckon" very quickly, iterate, then charge ahead.  It's different from--and not necessarily better or worse than--old space's approach.

I'm 75, and an ardent follower of all things space since my childhood.   I've followed SpaceX since Falcon 1, Flight 1 and the corroded B-nut; I don't consider myself a "fanboi," but an occasionally skeptical, mostly admiring, follower.

So when I see an old dog like jimvela pull back a bit from a harsh initial position, and even apologize, then cheer the mission on, I'm inclined to offer some grace and not bust him on the use of "reckless."

Just my ramblings as we await the making of some history....
I’m right with you brother with the same history and just a little older.

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The Scott Manley video on this has a really interesting tidbit.

"...I'm going to be getting on a plane to fly out in that direction, but I'm not going there.  Believe it or not there's something cooler that I have to go to.  I can't tell you what it is."

WTH?

Maybe he is flying on a reconnaissance flight?

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The Scott Manley video on this has a really interesting tidbit.

"...I'm going to be getting on a plane to fly out in that direction, but I'm not going there.  Believe it or not there's something cooler that I have to go to.  I can't tell you what it is."

WTH?

If it’s cooler than the first Super Heavy launch, it better involve space aliens

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What are the chances any of this will be visible on the gulf side of Florida as the rocket gets higher up?

Family in Tampa regularly watch launches from the cape. I think the deciding factor will be clear skies, or not.

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