Author Topic: SpaceX F9 : Starlink v1.0 L25 : KSC LC-39A : 4 May 2021 (1901 UTC)  (Read 43911 times)

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Has anyone else noticed that for a lot of the more recent starlink flights the clock shows t=0 at ignition and T+2 or 3 at liftoff? Obviously the rocket is lifting off on time but it seems like that's been happening a lot recently.

Well, it is really just a question of definition: Does the flight begin when the Merlins ignite, or when the clamps release?

Apparently they have decided that from an engineering standpoint the flight begins at ignition.
For some rockets like Ariane and Antares that's the case but SpaceX says in press kits that liftoff is T zero. Also the NSF clock was to the second accurate plus for Crew 1 if you see the KSC countdown clock view from the NASA TV media feed there was the tea-teb flash at T-3 as expected engines were at power by T-1 and Liftoff was bang on at T=0. Maybe the clock isn't quite synched on the webcast for all the cameras?

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Was it also, 100th booster landing attempt?

100th straight Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy rockets without an in-flight mission failure.

Are you counting IFA?

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Maybe the clock isn't quite synched on the webcast for all the cameras?

It's not and it very, very rarely happened to be synched in the past to better than 2 seconds. Liftoff was always and still is at T-0 with F9.

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Was it also, 100th booster landing attempt?

100th straight Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy rockets without an in-flight mission failure.

Are you counting IFA?
That wasn't a mission failure.

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Has anyone else noticed that for a lot of the more recent starlink flights the clock shows t=0 at ignition and T+2 or 3 at liftoff? Obviously the rocket is lifting off on time but it seems like that's been happening a lot recently.

Well, it is really just a question of definition: Does the flight begin when the Merlins ignite, or when the clamps release?

Apparently they have decided that from an engineering standpoint the flight begins at ignition.

IIRC (doubtful, I was very young), on Saturn, it was "3, 2, 1, 0, Ignition, Liftoff", but on Shuttle it was more like "3, (Main Engine Ignition), 2, 1, 0, SRB Ignition, Liftoff".

Except for STS-1, which had Main Engine Start at T-3 and liftoff several seconds after T-0.

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Was it also, 100th booster landing attempt?

100th straight Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy rockets without an in-flight mission failure.

Are you counting IFA?
That wasn't a mission failure.

I wouldn't count it as a success in that sense either, it was a suborbital test flight

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Was it also, 100th booster landing attempt?

100th straight Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy rockets without an in-flight mission failure.

Are you counting IFA?
That wasn't a mission failure.

I wouldn't count it as a success in that sense either, it was a suborbital test flight
Ah, now I understand what you meant. I thought you were implying that was a failure.

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Has anyone else noticed that for a lot of the more recent starlink flights the clock shows t=0 at ignition and T+2 or 3 at liftoff? Obviously the rocket is lifting off on time but it seems like that's been happening a lot recently.

Well, it is really just a question of definition: Does the flight begin when the Merlins ignite, or when the clamps release?

Apparently they have decided that from an engineering standpoint the flight begins at ignition.

IIRC (doubtful, I was very young), on Saturn, it was "3, 2, 1, 0, Ignition, Liftoff", but on Shuttle it was more like "3, (Main Engine Ignition), 2, 1, 0, SRB Ignition, Liftoff".

Except for STS-1, which had Main Engine Start at T-3 and liftoff several seconds after T-0.

The Saturn V started its ignition sequence at T -9 seconds. Not at zero. Liftoff was at zero.

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Here is a comparison of the telemetry from Starlink L23 and L25. They are churning these out like sausages now.
« Last Edit: 05/05/2021 01:19 am by OneSpeed »

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Launch photos from SpaceX website

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https://twitter.com/c_fletcher22/status/1389656004867117067

For the people who keep track of fairings
Starlink_v1.0-L25 active halve pattern corresponds to active halve of Starlink_v1.0-L10, previously flown on Starlink_v1.0-L3. Not too much to Starlink_v1.0-L22 fairing as tweeted.
« Last Edit: 05/05/2021 11:15 pm by Raul »

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Starlink_v1.0-L25 active halve pattern corresponds to active halve of Starlink_v1.0-L10, previously flown on Starlink_v1.0-L3. Not too much to Starlink_v1.0-L22 fairing as tweeted.

Colin is a writer for NSF, but I’m not sure what his source is on this. I suggest you contact him if you feel that strongly.

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https://twitter.com/julia_bergeron/status/1390319196903460871

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Mr. Jonah finally left the LZ early this morning with OCISLY and B1049-9. It is hard to say what the delay was when the landing looked good. BTW, Shelia is just hanging out. Did they get fairings? If so will they jenga more on this weekend? So many questions. #SpaceXFleet

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Starlink_v1.0-L25 active halve pattern corresponds to active halve of Starlink_v1.0-L10, previously flown on Starlink_v1.0-L3. Not too much to Starlink_v1.0-L22 fairing as tweeted.

Colin is a writer for NSF, but I’m not sure what his source is on this. I suggest you contact him if you feel that strongly.

Ok, he just informed to me that he has no confirmation, found wear pattern similarities, source or anything like that in this case. Just guess basically.

Based on wear pattern similarities as most accurate way to tell... Active fairing half of this mission was reused after Starlink_v1.0-L3 and Starlink_v1.0-L10. No turnaround record in this case.

Edit: Tweet was additionally deleted, probably as I informed him that tweet was used as a source in several places.
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