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SpaceX Corporate / Culture Discussion
« on: 12/15/2020 06:39 am »
Couldn’t find a thread to post this. So here’s a thread that isn’t about vehicles or products etc. Somewhere to cover what SpaceX is like as a place to work, or other company aspects.

Let’s keep this thread on discussion of known / public facts, not just speculation.

https://twitter.com/wharper10/status/1338632214012051456

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I got an award today at work. It’s called the Flown Bolt Award. This bolt was flown on the CRS 20 1st stage - flown to space and back. Thank you @elonmusk and @SpaceX what an amazing award.

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Re: SpaceX Corporate / Culture Discussion
« Reply #1 on: 12/16/2020 10:07 am »
Along this line, an interesting article was posted yesterday regarding the rather unique job interview process in Elon Musk's companies.

https://www.inc.com/jessica-stillman/elon-musk-job-interviews-asymmetric-information-management.html
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« Reply #2 on: 01/05/2021 10:04 am »
Anyone interested in Corporate culture at SpaceX would do well to read the Ashley Vance biography of Elon Musk there are dozens of interesting snippets everything from Musk's interview technique (walk a mile south a mile east and a mile north to end up back at the same place - where are you on the surface of the Earth? Followed directly by and where else could you be?) to how to force the price of space hardware down (home grown parts v subcontracted)

Mostly accurate according to Musk although there are a few errors - the Mary Beth incident for example. Still a realy good insight.
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Re: SpaceX Corporate / Culture Discussion
« Reply #3 on: 07/10/2021 04:02 am »
https://twitter.com/astro_g_dogg/status/1413499398928044032

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When I started at @SpaceX @ElonMusk was insistent that everything look cool, but as an engineer I didn't care how they looked as long as they worked. What I didn't grasp at the time was that Elon wanted to get the whole world excited about flying in space ...

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Re: SpaceX Corporate / Culture Discussion
« Reply #4 on: 09/09/2021 05:57 pm »
twitter.com/jxcksweeney/status/1436021450876592138

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SpaceX has reserved 5 new registration numbers for aircraft. SpaceX has been transporting employees for a long time now on @SpaceXJet and sometimes on @ElonJet. Just an increase in employee transport or something else?

https://twitter.com/jxcksweeney/status/1436021450876592138

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And now SpaceX bought another Gulfstream G550 registered as N502SX. Registered yesterday.

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Re: SpaceX Corporate / Culture Discussion
« Reply #5 on: 09/16/2021 01:48 am »
https://twitter.com/erinishimoticha/status/1437977648957988864

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One day I’m going to do a thread about SpaceX’s negative reputation and actually how nurturing and proactively positive it is. I’ve never experienced this anywhere else.

Well since I'm not writing the unit tests anymore I've got another slot open in my multi-tasking masochism.

My first engineering job was at a telecom company where I got a contractor position because my abusive ex-husband worked there. It took a while to convince anyone I could do the job.

I was writing Jira plugins. We eventually identified that we were using Jira all wrong. We needed a major upgrade anyway, we had a source code license, and we decided to do a major version upgrade along with a very extensive data migration. "We" meaning me and my manager.

"We" identified that we weren't using Jira as intended. We were using "components" where we should have been using "projects". instead, our Jira "projects" were actually our departments. Terrible way to organize tasks.

My manager and I worked together on this, bc both me and this service was under his purview. I was a contractor and then junior engineer, thought I never held that title. He had good reason to deal with me as a junior engineer. But he undermined me at the last minute.

I spent weeks testing the upgrade and data migration, fixing edge cases and mitigating performance issues. My manager and I worked closely on this. He knew exactly what was going to happen and signed off on it all.

We spent a couple of months validating that this deploy/upgrade/data migration would go smoothly, and he gave the the go-ahead. We scheduled it. We communicated it to our users.

I don't remember the timeframe but I remember setting aside time for fallout. We planned this so good.

So. We performed the upgrade and the data migration and It was all nominal. All our manual smoketests passed. This is what we expected. We'd tested it 20 times. Then suddenly we were flooded by people who couldn't access the things they had access to yesterday.

This is where I think my perceptions get fuzzy. I experienced an immediate backlash and blame. After all, I designed and oversaw both the upgrade and the very extensive data migration.

We started investigating, my supervisor and I. We discovered that someone had wanted the group names to look prettier, so they changed them from dash-limited to space-delimited without also updating all of our integrations.

You've probably guessed by know that it was my direct supervisor who did this. Making a mistake is fine, but he actually blamed this on me, and that is not OK. This is only the first reason I was so relieved to leave my first engineering job.

I applied rigorous engineering testing principles to this effort and was undermined at the last minute by the person I trusted to help me survive in my first job as a non-degreed engineer.

Eventually, I realized I could do better. I interviewed at Facebook and Google and was offered positions with much higher salaries. Both times, my ex-husband forced me to decline the offers. If he couldn't get a job, no one could.

We spent several years trying to get him a job in Silicon Vally just so that I could take the lucrative jobs I'd been offered. I don't know exactly the skill he lacked, but he did veto me advancing my career. He flunked out of the Tesla interview process.

We also had personal problems, so we got divorced in 2017. Best thing that ever happened to me.
Fast-forward: I was dating someone else. I got an email from a SpaceX recruiter and immediately deleted it, as I do. I knew I needed to leave NodeSource imminently, but I never thought SpaceX would take me on.

A couple of weeks later, @maxharris9 said, "actually, you should try."

Won't hurt, right?

So I laughed, and said, yeah, can't hurt. We'll have some fun, get to tour the factory, and then I'll get turned down.

The interview process was intense, but a lot of fun.

But it was successful, which blew my mind. I never expected to come out of it with a job at SpaceX.
I never expected that I would interview at SpaceX and end up working at SpaceX.

My first week there, I found out one of my coworkers was also a citizen of the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma. #NativesInTech

But I'm talking about a healthy work environment.

I don't have a college degree at all, much less formal training in Computer Science.

I'm a college dropout.

They kept me on more than 3 years just because I love math and programming and space and I'm willing to give them 8 hours a day on that subject.

And I've been approached out of the blue, not once but twice, for promotions I wasn't angling for. My managers ask me how I'm doing on a personal level every single week.

Even since taking the job, I've made my share of mistakes. I've deployed more than one bug into production.

I haven't deleted a production database yet. 😅

But more importantly, I came into this position from a place of ignorance. Everyone around me knew it, but no one held it against me. You can't. We have to work together.

We don't have room for insults or power struggles. We're all going somewhere else.

And this starts to explain why all of us struggle to believe we actually belong here. Most of us aren't "in aerospace", we're just in software engineering or in manufacturing.

Or a hundred other verticals. But now all of a sudden we're the most successful aerospace company of all time,

Going back to my initial point, I have experienced more surprising interactions here at SpaceX. I keep writing this tweet with words like "compassion," "mentorship," and "understanding", and then I keep realizing how I'm undermining myself by using those words.

This is yet another area in which I can always count on my folks at SpaceX to not let me undermine myself. They listen to me and they also encourage me to improve myself when I'm ready to do so.

This is SpaceX culture. It's not "work yourself to death." It's "we can accomplish this crazy thing together if we do it right."

My managers encourage us to take mental health days and just generally, if you need something, do it. If you have vacation days, take them.

And so the next sentence is "so keep yourself healthy, and let's do this crazy thing."

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Re: SpaceX Corporate / Culture Discussion
« Reply #6 on: 11/13/2021 02:57 am »
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1. NASA

2. Google

3. Apple

4. Microsoft

5. Goldman Sachs

6. Tesla

7. SpaceX

8. J.P. Morgan

9. Morgan Stanley

10. Dow Jones/Wall Street Journal

I don't think any other aerospace company made into top 50.
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Re: SpaceX Corporate / Culture Discussion
« Reply #7 on: 11/15/2021 09:08 am »
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And what has Mr. Sanders contributed to the society exactly?

Any discussion regarding the recent exchange between a certain US senator and a certain leader of SpaceX don't belong here. Please take it to the Space Policy section of the forum

Thank you.

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« Reply #8 on: 12/06/2021 01:54 pm »
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1467671360285589509

Eric Berger: Elon Musk and the rise of SpaceX

Ep. 262 — Political Economy with James Pethokoukis

December 3, 2021
NASA last launched astronauts into space with its final Space Shuttle mission in the summer of 2011. But, nine years later, a rocket built by SpaceX lifted off at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida and carried two astronauts to the International Space Station. How did this private company, in less than 20 years, go from a fledgling startup to one of the biggest players in space? To answer that question, I’ve brought on Eric Berger.

Eric is the senior space editor at Ars Technica and the author of Liftoff: Elon Musk and the Desperate Early Days That Launched SpaceX.

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« Reply #9 on: 12/09/2021 01:17 am »
Planet just went public via SPAC, but more interestingly they changed into a Public Benefit Corporation (PBC), with a public benefit purpose "To accelerate humanity to a more sustainable, secure and prosperous world by illuminating environmental and social change."

I wonder if SpaceX can be changed to PBC too, with a public benefit of "make humanity a multi-planetary species and build a self-sustaining civilization on Mars". It's what they're doing anyway, might as well make it official.

Some info on PBC: https://www.kiplinger.com/investing/esg/603598/what-are-public-benefit-corporations-pbcs, it looks like a 2020 law change in Delaware made it more attractive now than before.

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« Reply #10 on: 12/09/2021 01:33 am »
Planet just went public via SPAC, but more interestingly they changed into a Public Benefit Corporation (PBC), with a public benefit purpose "To accelerate humanity to a more sustainable, secure and prosperous world by illuminating environmental and social change."

I wonder if SpaceX can be changed to PBC too, with a public benefit of "make humanity a multi-planetary species and build a self-sustaining civilization on Mars". It's what they're doing anyway, might as well make it official.

Some info on PBC: https://www.kiplinger.com/investing/esg/603598/what-are-public-benefit-corporations-pbcs, it looks like a 2020 law change in Delaware made it more attractive now than before.
If it can be done agnostically, then it might be beneficial and should be what they intend anyway, and which I'd hope there wouldn't be much impediment toward (I could be wrong there).  If it becomes a vector to become infected by ESG, no thank you.
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« Reply #11 on: 12/14/2021 07:14 pm »

Reports of work place harrasment and poor HR response at SpaceX.  It sadly seems inevitable at male dominated companies. Really disappointing.  Hopefully they sort it out.

https://www.theverge.com/22831380/spacex-employees-harassment-workplace-misconduct-elon-musk

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« Reply #12 on: 12/14/2021 08:12 pm »

Reports of work place harrasment and poor HR response at SpaceX.  It sadly seems inevitable at male dominated companies. Really disappointing.  Hopefully they sort it out.

https://www.theverge.com/22831380/spacex-employees-harassment-workplace-misconduct-elon-musk

This is awesome:

Gwynne Shotwell, president and COO of SpaceX, sent a company-wide email to SpaceX employees, reminding them of the company’s “no A-hole” policy and that harassment will not be tolerated.


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« Reply #13 on: 12/16/2021 10:43 am »

Reports of work place harrasment and poor HR response at SpaceX.  It sadly seems inevitable at male dominated companies. Really disappointing.  Hopefully they sort it out.

https://www.theverge.com/22831380/spacex-employees-harassment-workplace-misconduct-elon-musk

This is awesome:

Gwynne Shotwell, president and COO of SpaceX, sent a company-wide email to SpaceX employees, reminding them of the company’s “no A-hole” policy and that harassment will not be tolerated.

It's the right in the moment response from Shotwell, as you'd expect really.  Straight to the point and about fixing it rather than excuses, which is sadly what you see too frequently.

It's not much of a policy though! People and groups being a-holes rarely think they're being a-holes.  "It was just a bit of fun"

The other quote from the email is more important, as that's the practical bit they need to deliver on to stop anything like this being repeated or becoming endemic. 

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“We also know we can always do better,” Shotwell wrote in the email. “That is why HR has been soliciting feedback from groups across the company to ensure the process is effective. HR will also conduct an internal audit, followed by a third-party audit.”


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« Reply #14 on: 12/16/2021 12:12 pm »
Yeah, I honestly think SpaceX, while not perfect, is significantly better than Blue’s response. It’s part of the value of having female leadership.
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« Reply #15 on: 12/16/2021 12:44 pm »
... I have my opinions on it. But this is not the place to get into THAT discussion.

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« Reply #16 on: 12/16/2021 03:02 pm »

We really shouldn't be trying decide the merits of cases based on detailed but still limited information or be deciding what behaviour constitutes harassment. 

The president of SpaceX has made it absolutely clear that unacceptable behaviour has occurred, shouldn't occur, they take it seriously and are initiating an internal and external review.

The measure will be if the issue goes quiet or keeps resurfacing.

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« Reply #17 on: 12/16/2021 05:08 pm »
Absolutely zero tolerance for nonsense. Stay on a narrow topic or this thread will be locked.
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« Reply #18 on: 12/16/2021 06:19 pm »

Reports of work place harrasment and poor HR response at SpaceX.  It sadly seems inevitable at male dominated companies. Really disappointing.  Hopefully they sort it out.

https://www.theverge.com/22831380/spacex-employees-harassment-workplace-misconduct-elon-musk

This is awesome:

Gwynne Shotwell, president and COO of SpaceX, sent a company-wide email to SpaceX employees, reminding them of the company’s “no A-hole” policy and that harassment will not be tolerated.

It's the right in the moment response from Shotwell, as you'd expect really.  Straight to the point and about fixing it rather than excuses, which is sadly what you see too frequently.

It's not much of a policy though! People and groups being a-holes rarely think they're being a-holes.  "It was just a bit of fun"

The other quote from the email is more important, as that's the practical bit they need to deliver on to stop anything like this being repeated or becoming endemic. 

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“We also know we can always do better,” Shotwell wrote in the email. “That is why HR has been soliciting feedback from groups across the company to ensure the process is effective. HR will also conduct an internal audit, followed by a third-party audit.”


In regards to Shotwell's "No A-hole" policy:
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Gwynne Shotwell, president and COO of SpaceX, sent a company-wide email to SpaceX employees, reminding them of the company’s “no A-hole” policy and that harassment will not be tolerated.

Shotwell may have been referring to Robert I. Sutton's book "The No Asshole Rule: Building a Civilized Workplace and Surviving One That Isn't".  Specifically, eliminating those types of people from the organization because, in the end, they are destructive to the company.

I recommend that book to my clients for both directions of all transactional relationships (employer-employee, vendor-customer, peer-peer).

In regards to this:
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It's not much of a policy though! People and groups being a-holes rarely think they're being a-holes.  "It was just a bit of fun"
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It doesn't really matter if those folks don't think they are being a-holes.  The point is to convey that the way they approach and execute things is fundamentally at odds with the ethos and methodology of the company.  The relationship is not beneficial to either party, so the relationship should be terminated.

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« Reply #19 on: 12/16/2021 07:00 pm »



The measure will be if the issue goes quiet or keeps resurfacing.
There will be some people who will resurface it no matter what because they don’t like SpaceX. “If someone doesn’t like you, nothing you do will ever be enough.”

The real critique is not that the mission should not take priority over stopping this behavior, but that making work suck for half the human population compromises the mission. There are so many fantastically talented women out there, that regardless of whether behavior is by accident or a pattern of criminal predatory behavior, you are compromising the mission by making women dread coming to work. And I think it is super important that SpaceX has women in leadership and hope they go further in that regard, because that helps assure other women in the workforce that their concerns are being understood.

And it’s worth mentioning that a lot of these young, neurodivergent guys who work at SpaceX probably aren’t very skilled at social interaction or reading non-verbal queues. However, even if they aren’t being intentional, it still can kind of suck, although their life shouldn’t probably not be ruined just because they suck at communicating well (which doesn’t mean it should be brushed off, either… Someone should help them do better as it’s not going to help them in their life to keep doing that). And there are also bound to be some genuinely bad apples, and that should be dealt with swiftly, perhaps even with law enforcement, before they spoil the lot. (I think Gwynne is doing that?)

So let’s make the aero workplace a place that everyone wants to come to and work hard in. People who have an ax to grind against SpaceX might never be satisfied, but the women of SpaceX absolutely deserve to have a workplace that’s enjoyable, and that means addressing these concerns, even if some are “unintentional.”

And I must say that when the Twittersphere started discussing this, I was worried it was incredibly serious. It’s not as bad as I feared, and the fact that Shotwell is addressing it, including bringing in a 3rd party review, is reassuring. It’s better than many other companies (granted, the bar there is low).
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