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Should be enough room on the deck to have 2 boosters on at once.  Never would happen but I suspect its technically feasible.

I'm sure this has already been discussed to death in another better thread but this is one of those cases where it would just be insane without making substantial changes. Most notably, SpaceX would need to secure the stage with Octagrabber, move it to a corner, remove Octagrabber, and safely secure the stage again with jacks and shoes. Even then, in the event that the second booster lands but is hit by sea conditions that prevent recovery and leave it sliding around, two boosters would be at risk. Almost impossible to imagine SpaceX risking two landings on the same ship in with the current operational regime and fleet as-is.

But again, please discuss this concept elsewhere unless it becomes clear that it's actually SpaceX's plan for JRTI and B1051.
Both of you are right.  It's technically feasible (the accuracy is good enough) but has practical problems after the landing.  Previous discussion is here.

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This would greatly increase the turnaround time on the booster and ultimately be counterproductive to the long term launch cadence.

I don't disagree on any of those points.

My message was simply to address JRTI being able to leave the LZ and get back in time for another Starlink launch on the 27th.

Clearly, the obvious answer is going to be, delay from the 27th.
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This would greatly increase the turnaround time on the booster and ultimately be counterproductive to the long term launch cadence.

I don't disagree on any of those points.

My message was simply to address JRTI being able to leave the LZ and get back in time for another Starlink launch on the 27th.

Clearly, the obvious answer is going to be, delay from the 27th.

Agree, it will likely be delayed a few days. 

LOL, maybe one of the first jobs for the new platforms is to just sit on the starlink LZ and catch F9's and off load multiples of them horizontally onto a ASDS for return. 
Starship, Vulcan and Ariane 6 have all reached orbit.  New Glenn, well we are waiting!

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There is quite large window for possible delay of Starlink v1.0-L17 mission between 27 Jan to 03 Feb according to issued NOTAM in Melbourne and Mauritius FIR for Stage2 debris reentry.
Such reentry area correspond again for double Stage2 burn with circular deploying orbit.

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FIMM-FIR
NOTAM #: A0010/21   Class: International   Status: Active   Issue Date UTC: 01/21/2021 1119   Start Date UTC: 01/27/2021 1522   End Date UTC: 02/03/2021 1344
A0010/21 NOTAMN
Q) FIMM/QRALW/IV/NBO/W/000/999/2530S06515E999
A) FIMM
B) 2101271522 C) 2102031344
D) ON 27 JAN 21 FM 1522 AND 1615
ON 28 JAN 21 BTN 1501 AND 1554
ON 29 JAN 21 BTN 1439 AND 1532
ON 30 JAN 21 BTN 1418 AND 1511
ON 31 JAN 21 BTN 1356 AND 1449
ON 01 FEB 21 BTN 1335 AND 1428
ON 02 FEB 21 BTN 1313 AND 1406
ON 03 FEB 21 BTN 1251 AND 1344
E) ALTITUDE RESERVATION FOR HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS FROM SFC
TO UNL FOR ATMOSPHERIC REENTRY AND SPLASHDOWN OF LAUNCH VEHICLE
UPPER STAGE WI AN AREA BOUNDED BY FLW COORD:   
2943S 06007E, 2455S 06427E, 3845S 08430E, 4512S 09945E, 
4946S 11913E, 5042S 13819E, 4850S 15644E, 5146S 15808E
5442S 14832E, 5620S 13103E, 5552S 10750E, 4911S 08505E
3432S 06413E, 2943S 06007E
F) SFC G) UNL

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JRTI and Hawk are still at the LZ, so this pretty much guarantees the 27th is not happening.

https://twitter.com/julia_bergeron/status/1352281814681980929
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https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/2672

Next SpaceFlight is now confirming B1049.8 from LC-39A.
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Map of NOTMAR Launch Hazard Areas of Starlink v1.0-L17 mission from LC-39A, valid for primary launch day 27 Jan in window between 13:13-14:31 UTC, backup 28-Jan to 03 Feb.
Hazard areas are identical to previous Starlink mission. Droneship landing on usual location.

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221003Z JAN 21
NAVAREA IV 67/21(11,26).
WESTERN NORTH ATLANTIC.
FLORIDA.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, ROCKET LAUNCHING
   271313Z TO 271431Z JAN, ALTERNATE
   281252Z TO 281410Z, 291230Z TO 291348Z,
   301209Z TO 301327Z, 311147Z TO 311305Z JAN,
   011126Z TO 011244Z, 021104Z TO 021222Z AND
   031042Z TO 031200Z FEB IN AREAS BOUND BY:
   A. 28-39-10N 080-37-48W, 29-00-00N 080-14-00W,
      29-15-00N 079-56-00W, 29-17-00N 079-50-00W,
      29-11-00N 079-44-00W, 29-07-00N 079-47-00W,
      28-50-00N 080-02-00W, 28-34-00N 080-22-00W,
      28-30-21N 080-32-58W.
   B. 31-57-00N 076-56-00W, 33-17-00N 076-03-00W,
      33-31-00N 074-59-00W, 33-10-00N 074-36-00W,
      32-27-00N 074-46-00W, 31-42-00N 076-41-00W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 031300Z FEB 21.

220950Z JAN 21
HYDROPAC 296/21(61,75,76).
SOUTHERN INDIAN OCEAN.
SOUTHEASTERN INDIAN OCEAN.
DNC 03, DNC 04, DNC 05.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, SPACE DEBRIS
   271522Z TO 271615Z JAN, ALTERNATE
   281501Z TO 281554Z, 291439Z TO 291532Z,
   301418Z TO 301511Z, 311356Z TO 311449Z JAN,
   011335Z TO 011428Z, 021313Z TO 021406Z AND
   031251Z TO 031344Z FEB IN AREA BOUND BY
   29-43S 060-07E, 24-55S 064-27E,
   38-45S 084-30E, 45-12S 099-45E,
   49-46S 119-13E, 50-42S 138-19E,
   48-50S 156-44E, 51-46S 158-08E,
   54-42S 148-32E, 56-20S 131-03E,
   55-52S 107-50E, 49-11S 085-05E,
   34-32S 064-13E.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 031444Z FEB 21.
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Launch is postponed to 29 January.
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222106Z JAN 21
NAVAREA IV 70/21(11,26).
WESTERN NORTH ATLANTIC.
FLORIDA.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, ROCKET LAUNCHING
   291230Z TO 291348Z, ALTERNATE
   301209Z TO 301327Z, 311147Z TO 311305Z JAN,
   011126Z TO 011244Z, 021104Z TO 021222Z AND
   031042Z TO 031200Z FEB IN AREAS BOUND BY:
   A. 28-39-10N 080-37-48W, 29-00-00N 080-14-00W,
      29-15-00N 079-56-00W, 29-17-00N 079-50-00W,
      29-11-00N 079-44-00W, 29-07-00N 079-47-00W,
      28-50-00N 080-02-00W, 28-34-00N 080-22-00W,
      28-30-21N 080-32-58W.
   B. 31-57-00N 076-56-00W, 33-17-00N 076-03-00W,
      33-31-00N 074-59-00W, 33-10-00N 074-36-00W,
      32-27-00N 074-46-00W, 31-42-00N 076-41-00W.
2. CANCEL NAVAREA IV 67/21.
3. CANCEL THIS MSG 031300Z FEB 21.

222042Z JAN 21
HYDROPAC 307/21(GEN).
INDIAN OCEAN.
WESTERN SOUTH PACIFIC.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, SPACE DEBRIS
   291230Z TO 291348Z JAN, ALTERNATE
   301418Z TO 301511Z, 311356Z TO 311449Z JAN,
   011335Z TO 011428Z, 021313Z TO 021406Z AND
   031251Z TO 031344Z FEB IN AREA BOUND BY
   29-43S 060-07E, 24-55S 064-27E,
   38-45S 084-30E, 45-12S 099-45E,
   49-46S 119-13E, 50-42S 138-19E,
   48-50S 156-44E, 51-46S 158-08E,
   54-42S 148-32E, 56-20S 131-03E,
   55-52S 107-50E, 49-11S 085-05E,
   34-32S 064-13E.
2. CANCEL HYDROPAC 296/21.
3. CANCEL THIS MSG 031444Z FEB 21.
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The Space Debris notice has been updated to fix the timeframe for the 29th.

Quote from: NGA
231026Z JAN 21
HYDROPAC 312/21(GEN).
INDIAN OCEAN.
WESTERN SOUTH PACIFIC.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, SPACE DEBRIS
   291439Z TO 291532Z JAN, ALTERNATE
   301418Z TO 301511Z, 311356Z TO 311449Z JAN,
   011335Z TO 011428Z, 021313Z TO 021406Z AND
   031251Z TO 031344Z FEB IN AREA BOUND BY
   29-43S 060-07E, 24-55S 064-27E,
   38-45S 084-30E, 45-12S 099-45E,
   49-46S 119-13E, 50-42S 138-19E,
   48-50S 156-44E, 51-46S 158-08E,
   54-42S 148-32E, 56-20S 131-03E,
   55-52S 107-50E, 49-11S 085-05E,
   34-32S 064-13E.
2. CANCEL HYDROPAC 307/21.
3. CANCEL THIS MSG 031444Z FEB 21.

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Cross-post; confirmation re: launch date, approximate time of date, and location; my bold:
http://www.launchphotography.com/Launch_Viewing_Guide.html
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FALCON 9
The next SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket from Cape Canaveral will launch the eighteenth Starlink batch from pad 39A on January 29 at around 8am EST. Then, a Falcon 9 will launch the nineteenth Starlink batch from pad 40 on February TBA. A Falcon 9 will launch the twentieth Starlink batch on February TBA. Upcoming launches include multiple Starlink missions on February TBA.

State of play on the Space Coast for the immediate future:
Scheduled:
Date - Satellite(s) - Rocket - Launch Site - Time (UTC)

2021
February 4 early February - Starlink flight 18 19 (x60) [v1.0 L18] - Falcon 9-107 108 (1059.6 1060.5 S) - Canaveral SLC-40 / Kennedy LC-39A - 06:19
(Starlink: launch 20-22 minutes earlier/day)

February 16 mid NET 11 12 14 15 - Starlink flight 19 20 (x60) [v1.0 L19] - Falcon 9-108 109 (1059.6 S) - Canaveral SLC-40 / Kennedy LC-39A Canaveral SLC-40 - 03:59 ~06:00 05:47 05:25 04:42 04:20 04:21
(Starlink: launch 20-22 minutes earlier/day)

March 4 January late 27 29 30 31 February 1 early 2 3 4 5 7 mid 16 17 NET 19 TBD 26 March 1 NET 2 3 - Starlink flight 20 19 18 (x60) [v1.0 L17] - Falcon 9-109 108 107 (B1049.8 S) - Kennedy LC-39A - 08:24 or 10:42 ~13:00 12:24 12:02 11:41 ~11:00 11:19 10:57 10:36 10:14 09:31 ~06:00-08:00 06:17 05:55 05:12 TBD ~03:00 01:37 01:15 00:53
(Starlink: launch 20-22 minutes earlier/day)

March 8 February or March very late February NET February 25  - Starlink flight 21 (x60) [v1.0 L20] - Falcon 9-110 (1051.9 or 1058.6 S) - Canaveral SLC-40 / Kennedy LC-39A - 03:41 ~07:30 ~03:30 ~03:40
(Starlink: launch 20-22 minutes earlier/day)

Mid? March very late February? - Starlink flight 22 (x60) [v1.0 L21] - Falcon 9-111 (1058.6 or 1051.9? S) - Kennedy LC-39A / Canaveral SLC-40?
(Starlink: launch 20-22 minutes earlier/day)

NET March Q2 - Starlink flight 23 (x60) [v1.0 L22] - Falcon 9-112 (S) - Kennedy LC-39A / Canaveral SLC-40
(Starlink: launch 20-22 minutes earlier/day)

NET March Q2 - Starlink flight 24 (x60) [v1.0 L23] - Falcon 9-113 (S) - Kennedy LC-39A / Canaveral SLC-40
(Starlink: launch 20-22 minutes earlier/day)

NET April 20 - USCV-2: Dragon v2 Crew 2 - Falcon 9 (B1061.2 S) - Kennedy LC-39A - 09:00-10:30 09:00-10:00
(ISS flights: launch 22-26 minutes earlier/day)

May March 25 29 NET April 2 - CST-100 Starliner (unmanned test) (Boe-OFT 2) - Atlas V N22 (AV-082) - Canaveral SLC-41 - TBD daytime ~10:00-11:00 ~21:00 ~18:00
(ISS flights: launch 22-26 minutes earlier/day)

Mid-year February 26 Q2 - STP-3: STPSat-6, LDPE-1, small satellite (x6) - Atlas V 551 - Canaveral SLC-41

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Apparently, we are in the midst of a Starlink-Launchapalooza!

EDIT February 2: Two Falcon 9 launches on February 4, pre-dawn EST!!!
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If JRTI or OCISLY are unable to turn around and depart tonight or tomorrow, it's safe to assume Starlink-17 is going to slip. For reference, JRTI and its tug left Port Canaveral on the evening of Jan 13 when Starlink-16 was still scheduled around 8am Jan 17, so we're likely already into the cutting-it-close zone with JRTI still in port this evening.

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Postponed to January 30 per the NGA:

Quote from: NGA
261506Z JAN 21
NAVAREA IV 80/21(11,26).
WESTERN NORTH ATLANTIC.
FLORIDA.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, ROCKET LAUNCHING
   301209Z TO 301327Z, ALTERNATE
   311147Z TO 311305Z JAN,011126Z TO 011244Z,
   021104Z TO 021222Z AND 031042Z TO 031200Z FEB
   IN AREAS BOUND BY:
   A. 28-39-10N 080-37-48W, 29-00-00N 080-14-00W,
      29-15-00N 079-56-00W, 29-17-00N 079-50-00W,
      29-11-00N 079-44-00W, 29-07-00N 079-47-00W,
      28-50-00N 080-02-00W, 28-34-00N 080-22-00W,
      28-30-21N 080-32-58W.
   B. 31-57-00N 076-56-00W, 33-17-00N 076-03-00W,
      33-31-00N 074-59-00W, 33-10-00N 074-36-00W,
      32-27-00N 074-46-00W, 31-42-00N 076-41-00W.
2. CANCEL NAVAREA IV 70/21.
3. CANCEL THIS MSG 031300Z FEB 21.
Quote from: NGA
261523Z JAN 21
HYDROPAC 341/21(GEN).
INDIAN OCEAN.
WESTERN SOUTH PACIFIC.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, SPACE DEBRIS
   301418Z TO 301511Z, JAN, ALTERNATE
   311356Z TO 311449Z JAN, 011335Z TO 011428Z,
   021313Z TO 021406Z AND 031251Z TO 031344Z FEB
   IN AREA BOUND BY
   29-43S 060-07E, 24-55S 064-27E,
   38-45S 084-30E, 45-12S 099-45E,
   49-46S 119-13E, 50-42S 138-19E,
   48-50S 156-44E, 51-46S 158-08E,
   54-42S 148-32E, 56-20S 131-03E,
   55-52S 107-50E, 49-11S 085-05E,
   34-32S 064-13E.
2. CANCEL HYDROPAC 312/21.
3. CANCEL THIS MSG 031444Z FEB 21.

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Ben Cooper and NextSpaceFlight now reporting launch time of 7:24 am.

Edit: SpaceFlight Now confirms.
https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/
« Last Edit: 01/26/2021 05:21 pm by Jansen »

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Lots of activity on JRTI, looks like they are trying for a departure tonight.

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90% GO for launch on Primary, 80% on Backup. Moderate risk from booster recovery weather.
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JRTI is en route. Gonna be a challenge to reach the LZ in time with more than a few hours to spare.

https://twitter.com/SpaceXFleet/status/1354569594971762694
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