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Offline yg1968

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This isn't recent (June 2020) but it deserves its own thread.

NASA Developing a Plan to Fly Personnel on Suborbital Spacecraft:
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-developing-a-plan-to-fly-personnel-on-suborbital-spacecraft

Quote from: NASA
For the first time in the agency’s history, NASA has initiated a new effort to enable NASA personnel to fly on future commercial suborbital spaceflights. [...] Now the Suborbital Crew (SubC) office within NASA’s Commercial Crew Program will lay the groundwork for flying NASA personnel on commercial suborbital space transportation systems. The goal of the SubC office is to perform a system qualification, or safety assessment, to enable NASA astronauts, principal investigators and other NASA personnel to take advantage of these unique capabilities. Following the qualification, NASA plans to purchase seats on commercial suborbital space transportation systems for NASA use.

“We’ve seen how industry can develop innovative crew transportation systems that meet NASA’s safety requirements and standards,” said Kathy Lueders, associate administrator for Human Exploration and Operations at NASA Headquarters. “Now we’ll be looking at a new way of enabling NASA personnel to fly on commercial suborbital space systems by considering factors such as flight experience and flight history.”

NASA to establish a system for flying astronauts and researchers on suborbital commercial spacecraft:
https://techcrunch.com/2020/06/23/nasa-to-establish-a-system-for-flying-astronauts-and-researchers-on-suborbital-commercial-spacecraft/
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Prior thread on this topic:

NASA astronauts on commercial suborbital spacecraft

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=51273.0
« Last Edit: 12/04/2020 01:28 pm by yg1968 »

Offline AnalogMan

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NASA has posted an update to the Suborbital Crew (SubC) Space Transportation Services RFI today (copy attached)

Link:
NASA Suborbital Crew Space Transportation Services
https://beta.sam.gov/opp/97f3747900964f35b45c64940958b30b/view

Previous RFI link:
NASA Suborbital Crew Space Transportation Services
https://beta.sam.gov/opp/7ac891ffa7584e358c762806d27fe71e/view

Offline TrevorMonty

If Blue and Virgin are approved by NASA to fly their personnel then its big safety tick for them. Won't hurt with PR.

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Finally NASA has a need for something it already has access for, launch a Falcon-9/Dragon-2 and perform the equivalent of a Mode !c, 2 or Mode 3 abort, voila suborbital mission bliss.

Perhaps NASA wants Soyuz as it has already proven its crewed abort status during launch on its way to ISS.

I can't see NASA astros on that Virgin Galactic beast.

Perhaps a crew capable Starship could be used and simply launch the Starship as normal, eject the crew within their "escape pod" in a sub-orbital energy state, to return to Earth while the Starship continues on to fulfill some cargo mission.
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Ideally I would like to see NASA on New Shepard to try and kick Bezos and his company - encouraging him, somewhat. B.O may be flawed elsewhere, but New Shepard looks reasonably "sane" from an engineering point of view. Better than SS2 at least.

As for Virgin... no and no. That thing is flawed and unsafe. The only good thing would be NASA tearing it apart and exposing its flaws - and why it hasn't progressed much since 2006, 15 years ago.

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NASA provided an update on this subC program at 38m of this video. It is part of the commercial crew program. For now they are gathering data on New Shepard and Virgin Galactic but after looking at that data, they will decide about their plans for using those flights for NASA purposes and for making them available to NASA personnel:

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Quote from: Jeff Foust
At #NSRC2023, Chris Gerace, manager of NASA's Suborbital Crew (SubC) program, says the name is a bit of a misnomer: looking at flying NASA civil servants in general on commercial suborbital vehicles now, not necessarily astronauts. See it as a way to foster human spaceflight.

He says SubC is working with Blue Origin and Virgin Galactic on "deep dives", studying New Shepard's launch escape system and SpaceShipTwo's propulsion system. Those studies will continue through this year and into early 2024. #NSRC2023

Gerace: we will not have a NASA certification process for flying people on commercial suborbital vehicles but instead evaluate companies' "safety case" including their own internal certification as well as their safety culture. #NSRC2023

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1630677118483922949

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1630683421537181696

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