Author Topic: FAILURE: Firefly Alpha 1st flight - Vandenberg SLC-2W - 3 Sep 2021 (01:59 UTC)  (Read 88207 times)

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Anyone have an idea on why the green, characteristically TEA-TEB looking flash was also seen at engine shutdown?

Some kind of engine purge or some unintended engine rich combustion instead?

Firefly uses a TEA-TEB canister with burst disks, so it could be that they decided to deplete the canister at the end to make swapping it out with a fresh one an easier/safer/cleaner operation.

If not that, engine-rich shutdown is usually the case.

Considering it's the first static fire, they might simply have left the igniter on for now. No need to blow up your test stand just because the engine starts chugging during its first vertical shutdown.
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https://twitter.com/Firefly_Space/status/1428438052586901510

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Yesterday Firefly performed a static fire test of the Alpha launch vehicle on its Vandenberg launch pad. The fully-fueled, flight-ready vehicle fired its first stage engines for fifteen seconds.

The test was successful and clears the way for Firefly to make its first launch attempt, currently scheduled for September 2.

September 2nd. Maybe it will actually get a chance to try and launch this time. Never have I wanted to moan and complain about red tape more than I have while watching this beautiful new rocket sit on a pad doing nothing for 3 months.

We often say that first flights have about a 50/50 shot of success. Well, between Astra and Virgin Orbit, we've had too many first flight failures in the past year, and it's time for someone to start making it up! I have a good feeling about the Alpha's chances. In some ways it's the simplest rocket out there right now; tap-off cycle eliminates the gas generator, only four of those engines total, each of those only vectoring on one axis, 2 stages, kerolox, etc. I think it's got a pretty good shot at making it to orbit on the first flight.

Oh, uh... ok, I found some wood to knock on, we're good.
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Speaking of red tape, have they actually gotten a launch license now? Were the FTS issues resolved?

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Speaking of red tape, have they actually gotten a launch license now? Were the FTS issues resolved?

Only licence visible on FAA website is the one for just the first launch issued in April and valid for up to one year.  It’s posted up thread:

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=52405.msg2225344#msg2225344

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https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1430153462709432322

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This would suggest the debut Firefly launch will slip at least a couple of weeks, into mid-September.

twitter.com/fccspace/status/1430150450934960165

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Applicant: Firefly Aerospace
Dates: 09/15/2021-03/15/2022
Purpose: To demonstrate the viability of Alpha as a small-satellite launcher.

The p(...)
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&application_seq=109379

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There was also this document filed at least two weeks ago (according to the date of the post) that suggested a NET 15 September launch date, the weird thing is that the announcement of the launch attempt on 2 September came after this document.

1271-EX-ST-2021

To demonstrate the viability of Alpha as a small-satellite launcher. The purpose of the Alpha Flight 1 mission (serialized FLTA001) is to demonstrate the viability of Alpha as a small-satellite launcher, and to demonstrate that Firefly Aerospace is ready to support commercial, small satellite launches from Vandenberg Air Force Base.

Launch from VAFB, CA to 300km orbit

NET:   09/15/2021

Perhaps they were just pre-emptively establishing a back-up window?
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https://twitter.com/firefly_space/status/1430350509928448002

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It’s a beautiful evening at Firefly's Vandenberg Space Force Base SLC-2 launch site. #Firefly

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Firefly Aerospace’s Alpha rocket ready for first launch

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The rocket could have been ready sooner but for the delayed delivery of a component needed for its flight termination system. Markusic declined to identify the specific component or its supplier, but said it was one of the few major components that the company did not develop in-house.

“The vendor could not get the components qualified and delivered on time,” he said. “We’re a year behind schedule on that flight termination system.”
« Last Edit: 08/25/2021 01:09 pm by su27k »

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Firefly and Rocket Lab both substantially underestimated the schedule and risk of the FTS for their (US) launch sites. Meanwhile, Astra has dropped two or three of their Rockets on Kodiak Island, where it seems that regulations are nowhere near as stringent. You just have to find the hole in the regulatory quilt, I guess.

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Firefly and Rocket Lab both substantially underestimated the schedule and risk of the FTS for their (US) launch sites. Meanwhile, Astra has dropped two or three of their Rockets on Kodiak Island, where it seems that regulations are nowhere near as stringent. You just have to find the hole in the regulatory quilt, I guess.
Lots to be said for having quiet launch site in middle of nowhere. Downside is costs of setting up launch pad there and logistics associated with site so far away from factory.



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Firefly and Rocket Lab both substantially underestimated the schedule and risk of the FTS for their (US) launch sites. Meanwhile, Astra has dropped two or three of their Rockets on Kodiak Island, where it seems that regulations are nowhere near as stringent. You just have to find the hole in the regulatory quilt, I guess.
Lots to be said for having quiet launch site in middle of nowhere. Downside is costs of setting up launch pad there and logistics associated with site so far away from factory.



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kodiak is also not run by DOD or NASA. FAA rules still apply as does any requirement added by alaska aerospace.   

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It also means Astra will still need to tackle the same AFTS certification challenges Rocketlab and Firefly have had to if they ever want to launch from Wallops/Vandenberg/the Cape in the future. Those sites are all in the process of retiring 'legacy' range safety equipment and personnel in favour of AFTS. Though like Rocketlab, at least they can keep flying from another site in the meantime.

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It also means Astra will still need to tackle the same AFTS certification challenges Rocketlab and Firefly have had to if they ever want to launch from Wallops/Vandenberg/the Cape in the future. Those sites are all in the process of retiring 'legacy' range safety equipment and personnel in favour of AFTS. Though like Rocketlab, at least they can keep flying from another site in the meantime.
Though this thread is about Firefly, Astra has been flying AFTS on their rockets in „shadow mode“. Part of why Rocketlab is so late is because IIRC they want to make their system available for other launch providers and qualified for all US launch sites from the start.
Could Firefly‘s AFTS be made by now Northrup Grumman Space Systems?

Odd NOTAM mentioning Vandenburg, related to Firefly launch??

A1132/21 NOTAMN
Q) VABF/QWELW/IV/BO/W/000/999/
A) VABF B) 2109101647 C) 2109111911
D) 1647-1911
E) DANGER ZONE DUE TO VANDENBERG SPACE FORCE BASE ACT WI
   AREA BOUNDED BY COORD:

   0705N06001E
   1021N06211E
   0910N06506E
   0023S06349E
   0600S06000E
   0705N06001E

   DURING THIS ACT, FLW ATS RTE NOT AVBL
   1. ATS RTE N628 BTN LEVLU AND BUSUX.
   2. ATS RTE G465 BTN MONTO AND OTKIR.
   3. ATS RTE L756 BTN RIBTO AND CLAVA.
   4. ATS RTE L875 BTN MOXET AND VUTAS.
   5. ATS RTE B459 BTN UGPEG AND CLAVA.             
   NO ALTN RTE AVBL
F) SFC G) UNL

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https://twitter.com/erdayastronaut/status/1431377106471161859

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EXCITING ANNOUNCEMENT!!! We’re very proud to be hosting the official livestream for @Firefly_Space’s VERY FIRST orbital launch attempt on September 2nd! Their Alpha rocket is awesome & I can’t wait to watch them launch this beautiful beast from Vandenberg with you all!

Everyday Astronaut has this launch as 300km 138°inc

https://everydayastronaut.com/flta001-dream-alpha/

Is retrograde ambitious for a maiden launch?

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Everyday Astronaut has this launch as 300km 138°inc

https://everydayastronaut.com/flta001-dream-alpha/

Is retrograde ambitious for a maiden launch?
I don't think so.  Flying more southwest might provide more tracking opportunities than flying due south.

 - Ed Kyle

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EXCITING ANNOUNCEMENT!!! We’re very proud to be hosting the official livestream for @Firefly_Space’s VERY FIRST orbital launch attempt on September 2nd! Their Alpha rocket is awesome & I can’t wait to watch them launch this beautiful beast from Vandenberg with you all!

NSF hosts Astra, Tim Dodd hosts Firefly - not only do we have competition in the launch sector, we've got competition in the launch coverage sector! What a time to be alive!

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