Author Topic: SpaceX F9 : Starlink v1.0 L16 : KSC LC-39A : 20 Jan 2021 (1302 UTC)  (Read 71530 times)

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Re: Why did F9 fly crooked in Starlink L16?
« Reply #121 on: 01/21/2021 01:23 am »
Regarding the interaction with the relative wind, I thought it odd that the program calls for the rocket to tilt to a set angle, stay like that for a good minute, then abruptly return to centered attitude before MECO. If this were an airplane, the angle of attack would be changing gradually according to the airspeed and thickness of the atmosphere.

You want to zero out the AoA before staging.  And we don't know how gradually the AoA changed during the powered phase, we only know how quickly it zeroes out.
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Anyone has a good guess what this strange maneuver is for?

The primary objective getting a rocket to orbit is to gain horizontal velocity as quickly as possible. To that end, Falcon 9 often completes its gravity turn quickly, by around T+01:40. From that point on to MECO, it needs to generate some lift to continue to increase the vertical component of its velocity. Increasing the AoA generates not only some aerodynamic lift, but also a vertical thrust component. Attached is plot of the Starlink L16 boost phase, including the vertical velocity component derived from the altitude telemetry. The noise is very high, but you can still see from the fairly constant slope, that the vertical acceleration is maintained right through the boost phase.

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https://twitter.com/spacexfleet/status/1352337165615820805

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Just Read the Instructions droneship has departed from the Starlink landing zone and is en-route to Port Canaveral.

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https://twitter.com/spacexfleet/status/1352381287332511753

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Ms. Tree and Ms. Chief have split up!

Ms. Chief is now arriving at Port Canaveral whilst Ms. Tree is heading straight to the Transporter-1 LZ

Visible on Fleetcam shortly:

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https://twitter.com/spacexfleet/status/1352386952096600068

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Empty 😲

Ms. Chief has returned from the Starlink mission without a fairing half, not even a fragment to be seen.

Ms. Tree is still offshore and heading directly to the Transporter-1 LZ. Not clear if Ms. Chief will head back out soon.

As seen by @NASASpaceflight Fleetcam

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« Last Edit: 01/22/2021 02:37 am by Jansen »

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They showed Ms. Tree at sea during the webcast today for the Transporter-1 scrub.  No fairing half to be seen on deck.

Is it possible they lost both fairing halves from this mission?  Perhaps sea states were bad enough to lose the halves and damage Ms. Chief enough to require a return to port?  Pure speculation.

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They showed Ms. Tree at sea during the webcast today for the Transporter-1 scrub.  No fairing half to be seen on deck.

Is it possible they lost both fairing halves from this mission?  Perhaps sea states were bad enough to lose the halves and damage Ms. Chief enough to require a return to port?  Pure speculation.

They showed Ms. Chief, not Ms. Tree.

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https://twitter.com/spacexfleet/status/1353067626390405122

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Just Read the Instructions droneship - from the Starlink mission - will be arriving at Port Canaveral tomorrow (24th) sometime after 8:30am ET.

Probably will be later in the day, depending on overnight progress.

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They showed Ms. Tree at sea during the webcast today for the Transporter-1 scrub.  No fairing half to be seen on deck.

Is it possible they lost both fairing halves from this mission?  Perhaps sea states were bad enough to lose the halves and damage Ms. Chief enough to require a return to port?  Pure speculation.

They showed Ms. Chief, not Ms. Tree.
Oh! We knew Ms. Chief didn't have fairing halves on board.  Still possible that Ms. Tree has one or two on deck from the starlink launch, then?

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They showed Ms. Tree at sea during the webcast today for the Transporter-1 scrub.  No fairing half to be seen on deck.

Is it possible they lost both fairing halves from this mission?  Perhaps sea states were bad enough to lose the halves and damage Ms. Chief enough to require a return to port?  Pure speculation.

They showed Ms. Chief, not Ms. Tree.
Oh! We knew Ms. Chief didn't have fairing halves on board.  Still possible that Ms. Tree has one or two on deck from the starlink launch, then?

Correct.

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« Last Edit: 01/24/2021 07:43 pm by FutureSpaceTourist »

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https://twitter.com/kyle_m_photo/status/1353446754352390144

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B1051.8, the first eight flight booster is almost back to Port Canaveral. #SpaceXFleet #SpaceX

https://twitter.com/spacecoast_stve/status/1353447194221678595

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