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Discussion Thread for launch of Galaxy 31/Galaxy 32, also knows as Galaxy 23R/Galaxy 17R

Galaxy 31 and 32

NSF Threads for Galaxy 31/Galaxy 32 : Discussion

November 12, 2022 at 11:06am EST (16:06 UTC) on Falcon 9 from CCSFS SLC-40 to GTO.  Booster 1051-14 will be expended.
Both fairing halves on their fifth launch, will be recovered by Bob.



[Maxar, June 15, 2020] Maxar to Build Four 1300-class Geostationary Communications Satellites for Intelsat
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WESTMINSTER, Colo.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Maxar Technologies (NYSE:MAXR) (TSX:MAXR), a trusted partner and innovator in Earth Intelligence and Space Infrastructure, today announced it will build four geostationary communications satellites for satellite operator Intelsat. The contract was previously disclosed with Maxar’s 2020 first quarter results.

Intelsat ordered the satellites to transition its existing media distribution and contribution services–uninterrupted–from the 3.7 to 4.0 gigahertz portion of the C-band, to the 4.0 to 4.2 gigahertz portion of the band as part of the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) plan to reallocate 300 megahertz of C-band spectrum for 5G terrestrial wireless services.

Under the agreement, Maxar will deliver the Galaxy 31, Galaxy 32, Galaxy 35 and Galaxy 36 satellites in 2022. The satellites will provide primarily video distribution services to customers in the continental United States.

“Maxar is proud to continue its partnership with Intelsat that goes back more than 40 years,” said Megan Fitzgerald, Maxar’s Senior Vice President and General Manager of Space Infrastructure. “Maxar’s 1300-class spacecraft remains the industry gold standard for value, reliability and flexibility, and we look forward to exceeding our customers’ expectations in these regards.”

[Intelsat, June 15 2020] Intelsat Procures New Satellites for C-band Spectrum Transition

[Intelsat, Sep. 17, 2020] Intelsat Finalizes Satellite and Launch Vehicle Contracts for U.S. C-band Spectrum Transition
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Intelsat has contracted with SpaceX and Arianespace to launch these satellites on four separate launch vehicles, beginning in 2022.

[CNBC, Sep. 17, 2020] SpaceX and European competitor Arianespace win $390 million worth of Intelsat launches
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Under the terms of the contract, beginning in 2022 Intelsat will launch four of its satellites on two SpaceX Falcon 9 rockets and two more satellites on an Ariane 5 rocket. The final seventh satellite is contracted with both SpaceX and Arianespace, as a way for Intelsat to make sure it launches on time. Intelsat will award whichever company doesn’t launch the seventh satellite with a contract for a separate later launch, the company told CNBC.

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Here is how these Intelsat contracts break down, with 7 satellites launching on 4 rockets:
– 2 on Falcon 9 (Q3 '22)
– 2 on Falcon 9 (Q3 '22)
– 2 on Ariane 5 (Q4 '22)
– 1 on either Ariane 6 or Falcon 9 (Q3 '23)
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Galaxy 32 is scheduled for launch in mid-2022 and, after traffic transition, will replace Galaxy 17 (S2715), which is currently operating at 91.0º W.L. Galaxy 32 will be collocated with the Intelsat 40e satellite (S3066), a new Ku/Ka-band satellite that is expected to launch and begin providing service from the 91.0º W.L. orbital location in Q3 2022.

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Apparently, this launch remains Q3 2022; see the in-service date.
2023
March - Galaxy 37 - Ariane 64 - Kourou ELA-4

Galaxy-37 aka Galaxy-13R
This launch order is gone, goes to SpaceX.
https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/1229094530086/December%202021%20Quarterly%20Report%20-%20Intelsat%2012-29-2021.pdf
[filing dated December 29, 2021]
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Cross-post:
The in service date has been postponed, quarterly report from March 31st. (not paying attention  :( )
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Q2 status report: The trend of the "in service date" is still negative. For Galaxy-32 it has slipped to 2023.

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I am confused.

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Galaxy 33 and Galaxy 34, Intelsat’s first two C-band replacement satellites, are due to launch on a Falcon 9 from Cape Canaveral in October.
https://spacenews.com/spacex-launches-ses-22-c-band-replacement-satellite/
29 June 2022

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I am confused.

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Galaxy 33 and Galaxy 34, Intelsat’s first two C-band replacement satellites, are due to launch on a Falcon 9 from Cape Canaveral in October.
https://spacenews.com/spacex-launches-ses-22-c-band-replacement-satellite/
29 June 2022

I think the Launch 1,2,3 label is outdated and doesn't necessarily reflect the actual order anymore.
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An photo of Galaxy 31 and Galaxy 32.
Unfortunately, it doesn't say when it was photographed.

Source SpaceNews: https://spacenews.com/maxars-satellite-business-looks-to-gain-foothold-in-defense-market/

https://spacenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/MAXAR-011-025_10.jpg
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An photo of Galaxy 31 and Galaxy 32.
Unfortunately, it doesn't say when it was photographed.

The EXIF information says 14 July.

DateTimeOriginal - 2022:07:14 11:05:19
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An photo of Galaxy 31 and Galaxy 32.
Unfortunately, it doesn't say when it was photographed.

The EXIF information says 14 July.

DateTimeOriginal - 2022:07:14 11:05:19

Thanks! So it will take some time before these satellites are ready for launch, am I right?
I believe along with this message:
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Galaxy 33 and Galaxy 34, Intelsat’s first two C-band replacement satellites, are due to launch on a Falcon 9 from Cape Canaveral in October.
https://spacenews.com/spacex-launches-ses-22-c-band-replacement-satellite/
29 June 2022
we can assume a launch NET Q4
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Intelsat License LLC (“Intelsat”) herein requests 30 days of Special Temporary Authority (“STA”),1 commencing October 20, 2022, to use its Fillmore, California C-band earth station, Call Sign KA391,2 to provide telemetry, tracking, and command (“TT&C”) services during in-orbit testing (“IOT”) of Galaxy 31 (S3076) at 148.95 °W.L.,3 Galaxy 32 (S3078) at 149.05°W.L,4 Galaxy 34 (S3083) at 147.95° W.L.,5 Galaxy 35 (S3143) at 150.05° W.L.,6 and Galaxy 36 (S3148)7 at 149.95° W.L. (the “Galaxy Fleet”). The Galaxy Fleet is expected to launch between October 2022 and December 2022,

Still expected this year

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Galaxy 31 and Galaxy 32 are expected to launch together on November 5, 2022.

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Galaxy 31 and Galaxy 32 are expected to launch together on November 5, 2022.

>Probably< another SLC-40 launch, as LC-39A will be occupied supporting the USSF-44 launch, followed by Cargo Dragon SpX-26.  But not definitely.
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I doubt that Nov. 5 date takes delays from Hurricane Ian into account.
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Galaxy 31 and Galaxy 32 are expected to launch together on November 5, 2022.
>Probably< another SLC-40 launch, as LC-39A will be occupied supporting the USSF-44 launch, followed by Cargo Dragon SpX-26.  But not definitely.
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Cross-post:
https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/5058
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Galaxy 31 & 32
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SLC-40, Cape Canaveral SFS, Florida, USA
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Likely for Galaxy 31 and 32?
1679-EX-ST-2022
SpaceX Mission 1631 from LC-40 at CCAFS or LC-39A at KSC
Launching east
ASDS North  28  26  10   West  73  41  32
NET end of October [October 28]

Edit: No, this launch will expend the first stage.
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As per Spaceflight Now , this launch is going to use an expendable booster

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Dual satellite launch for Intelsat next on SpaceX’s launch schedule

October 6, 2022 Stephen Clark
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Intelsat has five more C-band satellites left to launch after Galaxy 33 and 34. The next pair of C-band satellites, Galaxy 31 and 32, are scheduled to launch as soon as Nov. 5 from Cape Canaveral on another SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket.

For that mission, SpaceX will not recover the Falcon 9 booster, committing all of the rocket’s propellant to sending Galaxy 31 and 32 into as high of an orbit as possible. “Those satellites, Galaxy 31 and 32, are built by Maxar. They’re a little heavier, so we decided go for an expendable launch to get the extra performance,” Froeliger said.

“You pay extra when it’s expendable,” Froeliger said. “From a business point of view, you may also get a booster that has flown many times that they may retire anyhow, but you’re still paying because you pay for the expendable.”
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Launches Seen: Atlas V OA-7, Falcon 9 Starlink 6-4, Falcon 9 CRS-28,

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As per Spaceflight Now , this launch is going to use an expendable booster

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Dual satellite launch for Intelsat next on SpaceX’s launch schedule

October 6, 2022 Stephen Clark
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Intelsat has five more C-band satellites left to launch after Galaxy 33 and 34. The next pair of C-band satellites, Galaxy 31 and 32, are scheduled to launch as soon as Nov. 5 from Cape Canaveral on another SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket.

For that mission, SpaceX will not recover the Falcon 9 booster, committing all of the rocket’s propellant to sending Galaxy 31 and 32 into as high of an orbit as possible. “Those satellites, Galaxy 31 and 32, are built by Maxar. They’re a little heavier, so we decided go for an expendable launch to get the extra performance,” Froeliger said.

“You pay extra when it’s expendable,” Froeliger said. “From a business point of view, you may also get a booster that has flown many times that they may retire anyhow, but you’re still paying because you pay for the expendable.”
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Maybe they'll use B1051.14 which is the second oldest active booster?

The oldest one is B1049.11 but that one is expected to be expended on an Eutelsat mission, unless the plans have changed.

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Maybe they'll use B1051.14 which is the second oldest active booster?

Cross-post:
https://twitter.com/alexphysics13/status/1579444259337666560

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For the first time in over 3 years SpaceX will expend a Falcon booster on purpose. But it's not just one, it'll be three boosters. If schedules hold, the order will be B1066, then B1051-14, and finally B1049-11.
nextspaceflight.com/launches/agenc…

Here goes a 🧵

https://twitter.com/alexphysics13/status/1579444265658494977

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B1051-14 is a Falcon 9 booster set to fly the Galaxy 31&32 mission. It first flew on the Demo-1 mission, Crew Dragon's first flight into orbit, and it was the first booster to reach 10 flights. It'll push both Galaxy satellites into a more energetic GTO.

https://twitter.com/alexphysics13/status/1579444271123685376

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It'll be sad to see these three boosters go and it's been a long time since SpaceX intentionally expended one but at least they'll go out doing just what Falcon does best... which is putting stuff into orbit.
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Ben Cooper:

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A Falcon 9 will launch the Galaxy 31 & 32 communication satellites from pad 40 on November 5.


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Likely using this licence

1595-EX-ST-2022
SpaceX Mission 1587 from LC-40 at CCAFS or LC-39A at KSC
NET Oct 30
Launching east on Falcon 9, ASDS North  28  0  5   West  72  0  46
Launches Seen: Atlas V OA-7, Falcon 9 Starlink 6-4, Falcon 9 CRS-28,


Likely using this licence

1595-EX-ST-2022
SpaceX Mission 1587 from LC-40 at CCAFS or LC-39A at KSC
NET Oct 30
Launching east on Falcon 9, ASDS North  28  0  5   West  72  0  46

That license isn't expendable though....

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Cross-post; my bold:
https://www.launchphotography.com/Launch_Viewing_Guide.html [October 18 update]
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FALCON 9

The next SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket will launch more Starlink satellites from pad 40 on October 20 at 10:50 a.m. EDT or later. A Falcon Heavy will launch USSF-44 for the U.S. Space Force from pad 39A on late October, in the late morning EDT. The side boosters will land back at the Cape about eight minutes after launch. A Falcon 9 will launch the Hotbird 13G communications satellite for Eutelsat from pad 40 on November TBD. A Falcon 9 will launch the Intelsat Galaxy 31 & 32 communication satellites from pad 40 on November TBD. A Falcon 9 from pad 40 will launch the HAKUTO-R lunar lander for iSpace on November TBD. The first stage will land back at the Cape about eight minutes after launch. And a Falcon 9 from pad 39A will launch the Dragon CRS-26 resupply mission to the ISS on November 18 around 4 or 5 p.m. EST.
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Likely using this licence

1595-EX-ST-2022
SpaceX Mission 1587 from LC-40 at CCAFS or LC-39A at KSC
NET Oct 30
Launching east on Falcon 9, ASDS North  28  0  5   West  72  0  46

That license isn't expendable though....

Is it possible that this Intelsat G31/32 mission is no longer expendable?  The Maxar article from 10/17 states launch in early Nov launch.  The only expendable FCC application is NET Nov 15, hardly "early" November.

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Is it possible that this Intelsat G31/32 mission is no longer expendable?  The Maxar article from 10/17 states launch in early Nov launch.  The only expendable FCC application is NET Nov 15, hardly "early" November.

17 Oct article is recent, but is its *early* November correct? If they have only just been delivered on 17 Oct, it seems unlikely they would be flying that soon. Also, since 16th Oct I think, Ben Cooper has had Hotbird 13G flight before this one and that is NET 7 Nov per STA letter. This flight seems highly likely to be from pad 40 and a couple of sources agree, so seems likely to be at least 6 days minimum pad turnaround  time after Nov 7. On or after Nov 15 seems likely from both delivery date and from pad considerations. 

If Intelsat has paid for the extra performance of expendable, would they give that up? They might for a discount if the mass was for some reason lower than expected but mass seems more likely to be unexpectedly higher? especially if it is a late change?

If SpaceX haven't yet got two expendable licences, this suggest they knew of Eutelsat 10B delays so haven't yet got STA. If they knew of that delay then SpaceX is also likely to have known of likely delivery date for Galaxy 31 and 32 and hence they didn't need to ask for STA to start before 15th.
 
For all these reasons I am inclined to think that it seems to be getting more likely the expendable STA starting 15 Nov (link below) is more likely for this launch rather than for Eutelsat 10B which isn't yet on Ben Cooper's upcoming launches list.
(i.e. I'm just trying to reason it out - no actual knowledge)

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&application_seq=118951&RequestTimeout=1000

I think the closeness of the 15 Nov date to the 11 Nov date on the application listing below and the expected schedule at the time made us wrongly jump to the conclusion that it was for Eutelsat 10B.
 
https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/ib/forms/reports/swr031b.hts?q_set=V_SITE_ANTENNA_FREQ.file_numberC/File+Number/%3D/SESSTA2022083000931&prepare=&column=V_SITE_ANTENNA_FREQ.file_numberC/File+Number
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Intelsat License LLC (“Intelsat”) herein requests 30 days of Special Temporary Authority (“STA”), commencing November 3, 2022, to use its Castle Rock, Colorado C-band earth station, Call Sign E040174, to provide launch and early orbit phase (“LEOP”), in-orbit testing (“IOT”), and telemetry, tracking, and command (“TT&C”) services to the Galaxy 31 (S3076), Galaxy 32 (S3078), Galaxy 33 (S3015), Galaxy 34 (S3083), Galaxy 35 (S3143), and Galaxy 36 (S3148) satellites (“Galaxy Replacement Fleet”). Galaxy 31 and Galaxy 32 are scheduled to launch no earlier than November 3, 2022, Galaxy 33 and Galaxy 34 were launched together on October 8, 2022, and Galaxy 35 and Galaxy 36 are expected to launch together on December 14, 2022. Intelsat expects the LEOP, IOT, and drift periods of each satellite to their final locations to last at approximately 90-100 days.
(attachment 1)
There are 2 such filings.

There are also one filing for G31 and one for G32 for in orbit tests. November 3rd is also mentioned there as launch date. (G31 attachment 2)

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So should we be expecting Galaxy 31 32 on Nov 3 and not Hotbird 13G (which has a 180 day STA starting 7 Nov)?

despite Launch Photography and NextSpaceflight both suggesting Nov 3 for Hotbird 13G and Galaxy 31 32 later

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So should we be expecting Galaxy 31 32 on Nov 3 and not Hotbird 13G (which has a 180 day STA starting 7 Nov)?

despite Launch Photography and NextSpaceflight both suggesting Nov 3 for Hotbird 13G and Galaxy 31 32 later

As of yesterday, the old STA filings for G31+32 for launch on November 5th have the status: "Action Complete".
There are new ones (already last week) for launch (NET) November 3rd.
No news from Hotbird 13G found.

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Ben Cooper, today's update:


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A Falcon 9 will launch the Intelsat Galaxy 31 & 32 communication satellites from pad 40 on November 8.
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If true, does that mean this mission is no longer expendable?

Only current expendable FCC license is NET Nov 15
So this is what an expendable F9 FCC permit looks like now (it's been so long).  One of several expendable launches coming up.

1708-EX-ST-2022   
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SpaceX Mission 1802 from LC-40 at CCAFS or LC-39A at KSC, and the experimental recovery operation following the Falcon 9 launch...
The first stage booster is expendable...
North  27  54  50   West  71  48  9 Boat
NET mid-November

Instead will use either of the following, with Hotbird 13G using the other

1679-EX-ST-2022
SpaceX Mission 1631 from LC-40 at CCAFS or LC-39A at KSC
Launching east
ASDS North  28  26  10   West  73  41  32
NET end of October

1595-EX-ST-2022
SpaceX Mission 1587 from LC-40 at CCAFS or LC-39A at KSC
NET Oct 30
Launching east on Falcon 9, ASDS North  28  0  5   West  72  0  46

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I don't know if it's still expendable, but I really don't see a barrier to using a permit that shows an ASDS and then switching to expendable.  The rest of the transmissions are the same.  Whether or not the booster ends up in the ocean isn't the FCC's problem.

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Yes there's no issue at all on that. When they were on their expendable run back in the late 2017-early to mid 2018 era, SpaceX almost always put coordinates for an ASDS despite there not being any landing attempt in the cards since they were "old" Block 3 and Block 4 boosters being expended.

I'd expect out of the two possible FCC apps 1595 would be assigned to Galaxy 31/32, since the ASDS landing is 800+km downrange

Converting the ASDS coordinates to decimal degrees is 28.001389 -72.012778.

The distance between that point and either LC-39A or SLC-40 is between 842 and 845 kilometers.

That makes me wonder if they want to push the envelope for launching a heavier GTO satellite while maintaining a low post-MECO fuel reserve for the entry and landing burns. Maybe ignite all three engines at once without the center one being lit first.
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Galaxy 31 and 32 have arrived in Florida! 🛰️

This launch continues Intelsat’s Galaxy fleet refresh plan. G-31 and G-32 are third and fourth in a total of seven new Galaxy satellites launching in the next six months. This launch follows G-33 and G-34 launched last month.

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I'd expect out of the two possible FCC apps 1595 would be assigned to Galaxy 31/32, since the ASDS landing is 800+km downrange

Converting the ASDS coordinates to decimal degrees is 28.001389 -72.012778.

The distance between that point and either LC-39A or SLC-40 is between 842 and 845 kilometers.

That makes me wonder if they want to push the envelope for launching a heavier GTO satellite while maintaining a low post-MECO fuel reserve for the entry and landing burns. Maybe ignite all three engines at once without the center one being lit first.

If (and only if) it’s confirmed that Galaxy 31/Galaxy 32 will try the 840+km ASDS landing, this would be one of those launches I’m tuning into.

After all, it’s a booster flying for the 14th time. I’d rather see it take a Heroic Sacrifice toward the faraway drone ship rather than simply use up all its fuel and fall normally into the ocean.
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https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/

Launch window on November 8, 2022 is 16:06 to 18:06 UTC (11:06 AM to 1:06 PM EST).
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Approximate launch time, somewhat at variance with SFN:
Ben Cooper's Launch Photography Viewing Guide, updated November 2:
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Launch hazard area's have been published. B1051 will impact the ocean approximately 863km downrange.

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Launch Hazard Areas for #Intelsat G31/32 mission from CCSFS SLC-40, valid for NET 08 Nov 16:06 UTC, altern.09 to 14 Nov based on issued NOTMAR. Expendable B1051.14 water landing 863km downrange. Estimated fairing recovery position approx. 958km downrange.

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NGA notice.

Quote from: NGA
310035Z OCT 22
NAVAREA IV 1165/22(11,26).
WESTERN NORTH ATLANTIC.
FLORIDA.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, ROCKET LAUNCHING
   081606Z TO 081854ZZ NOV, ALTERNATE
   1606Z TO 1855Z DAILY 09 THRU 14 NOV
   IN AREAS BOUND BY:
   A. 28-39.92N 080-38.33W, 28-40.00N 079-44.00W,
      28-28.00N 079-40.00W, 28-29.97N 080-32.29W,
   B. 27-51.00N 073-56.00W, 28-37.00N 073-55.00W,
      28-40.00N 071-21.00W, 28-13.00N 069-58.00W,
      27-31.00N 069-58.00W, 27-21.00N 071-43.00W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 141955Z NOV 22.//

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B1051 will fly it's final mission next week. It will carry the Galaxy 31 & 32 satellite to GTO for Intelsat. Due to the weight of the 2 satellites, an expendable launch is required. B1051 will impact the ocean ~863km downrange. Furthest ASDS landing so far has been 687km.

https://twitter.com/GewoonLukas_/status/1588155522343227397

can we assume that along with stripping B1051.14 before Galaxy 31/32 mission, will spacex swap the costly carbon fiber black interstage with a block 4 one like B1049.11 to save the interstage for a side booster like B1076(like B1049.11's interstage went to B1052)?
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So it is more efficient to launch both satellites on a Falcon 9 which makes its final flight than launching them separately on two Falcon 9 which will be reused ? or was there a feasibility issues which would preclude this alternate option ?

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So it is more efficient to launch both satellites on a Falcon 9 which makes its final flight than launching them separately on two Falcon 9 which will be reused ? or was there a feasibility issues which would preclude this alternate option ?
IIRC it is about $90M for an expended Falcon 9 launch and about $50 M for a reused Falcon 9 launch. Also the launch schedule is getting really crowded for the SpaceX Florida pads.

So it is a bit cheaper and quicker to launch a pair of comsats on an expenable booster instead of 2 reusable boosters. Plus quicker transit to the comsat's GEO slots using the full performance of the booster.

This launch option is likely available only because SpaceX have an elderly early block 5 booster laying around with higher and maybe escalating refurbishment cost.

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Also, factor in the cost of expending two second stages.
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B1051 has been moved to SLC-40. No landing legs or gridfins
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L-3 weather forecast. 30% 'Go' for November 8. 20% 'Go' for November 9.  Upper-Level Wind Shear risk is Moderate for November 8 and Low-Moderate for November 9.  Recovery Conditions risk is High for both days. :(

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This is an expendable launch, is recovery risk fairing related now?
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This is an expendable launch, is recovery risk fairing related now?

I suspect so.

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L-2 weather forecast. 30% 'Go' for November 8. 20% 'Go' for November 9.  Upper-Level Wind Shear risk is Moderate for November 8 and Low-Moderate for November 9.  Recovery Conditions risk is High for both days. :(

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How about they just slip past the 8th and 9th without even attempting to launch on both days?

You know, hold off until everything is at least in the high-80s range in terms of favorable conditions.
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How about they just slip past the 8th and 9th without even attempting to launch on both days?

You know, hold off until everything is at least in the high-80s range in terms of favorable conditions.
Think SpaceX will attempt a launch on both the 8th and the 9th even with the poor weather conditions. There is a storm named Nicole heading toward Florida after the 9th. With the SLS inaugural launch attempt after the storm's passage. According to the launch schedule there is suppose to be 3 more launches planned from pad SLC-40 in November after the Galaxy 31 & Galaxy 32 dual launch.

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There is a storm named Nicole heading toward Florida after the 9th.

Winds from Nicole are forecast to reach the Cape on the 9th.
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L-1 weather forecast, has worsened to only 20% GO tomorrow and 10% Thursday and still high risk on recovery
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Either way, I think everyone picked the wrong month to launch their LVs.
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No surprise here

twitter.com/w_robinsonsmith/status/1589681543194112002

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In a press call, @INTELSAT notes that the planned Nov. 8 launch of its Galaxy 31 and Galaxy 32 satellites will likely be delayed as Subtropical Storm #Nicole makes its way towards Florida. No new launch date named yet, but likely later this week.

@MyNews13 #launchdelay

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There will be a two-hour launch window for the mission.

Notably, unlike the most recent @INTELSAT launch, this will use an expendable @SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket. So, no booster landing with this one.

It allows the rocket to have more power when not reserving fuel for landing.
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Looks like a new launch date has been set NET 12 November 2022.

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1589705155607687170


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The vehicle and payload are secure in the hangar and will remain there through the duration of the storm

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As expected, a cancel-and-replace NGA notice.

Quote from: NGA
072209Z NOV 22
NAVAREA IV 1177/22(11,26).
WESTERN NORTH ATLANTIC.
UNITED STATES.
FLORIDA.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, ROCKET LAUNCHING
   121606Z TO 121854Z NOV, ALTERNATE
   131606Z TO 131854Z, 1607Z TO 1854Z DAILY 14 THRU 18 NOV
   IN AREAS BOUND BY:
   A. 28-39.92N 080-38.33W, 28-40.00N 079-44.00W,
      28-28.00N 079-40.00W, 28-29.97N 080-32.29W,
      28-39.92N 080-38.33W.
   B. 27-51.00N 073-56.00W, 28-37.00N 073-55.00W,
      28-40.00N 071-21.00W, 28-13.00N 069-58.00W,
      27-31.00N 069-58.00W, 27-21.00N 071-43.00W,
      27-51.00N 073-56.00W.
2. CANCEL NAVAREA IV 1165/22.
3. CANCEL THIS MSG 181954Z NOV 22.

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Warnings for possible storm surge up to 5 feet.  Could be messy at KSC and the Cape.

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New L-3 forecast is 90% GO, with low to medium risk on upper level wind shear
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Thanks to some tactical hurricane-dodging, Bob is taking the very scenic route out to the Galaxy 31 & 32 fairing recovery LZ.

Booster will be expended.

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L-1 launch weather forecast, 90% GO all additional risks low

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https://www.spacex.com/launches/intelsat-g-31-g-32/

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SpaceX is targeting Saturday, November 12 for launch of the Intelsat G-31/G-32 mission to a geosynchronous transfer orbit from Space Launch Complex 40 (SLC-40) at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida. The 120-minute launch window opens at 11:06 a.m. ET (16:06 UTC). A backup launch opportunity is available on Sunday, November 13 with the same window.

The Falcon 9 first stage booster supporting this mission previously launched Dragon's first crew demonstration mission, the RADARSAT Constellation Mission, SXM-7, and 10 Starlink missions.

A live webcast of this mission will begin about 15 minutes prior to liftoff.

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Galaxy 31 and 32 are set for launch tomorrow at 11:06 a.m. EST. This continues the Galaxy fleet refresh plan. They are 3rd and 4th in a total of 7 new Galaxy satellites launching in the next 6 months. This launch follows G-33 and 34 launched last month.

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Is the Galaxy 31/32 stack mass the same as the Galaxy 33/34 stack (7.35 metric tons)?

It was mentioned by an Intelsat official that these were heavier then 33/34.  This is because 31/32 were built by Maxar, and 33/34 were built by NG, so mass will be different.  Quote below from SFN article:

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For that mission, SpaceX will not recover the Falcon 9 booster, committing all of the rocket’s propellant to sending Galaxy 31 and 32 into as high of an orbit as possible. “Those satellites, Galaxy 31 and 32, are built by Maxar. They’re a little heavier, so we decided go for an expendable launch to get the extra performance,” Froeliger said.

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And meanwhile, at SLC-40, Falcon 9 B1051-14 has been raised vertical ahead of tomorrow's Galaxy-31 & 32 launch!

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Upcoming launch of #Intelsat G-31/G-32 mission via #SpaceX's #Falcon9 vehicle..

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Orbital Launch no. 158 of 2022

#SpaceX launching two geostationary communication satellite for Intelsat : #Galaxy31 & #Galaxy32 on top of #Falcon9 B1051-14 (14th flight in expendable configuration) from SLC-40, Cape Canaveral, Florida.

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Any idea why this is launching at 11:00 local time?  Normally, comstats are launched from the Cape late in the evening.   Since they head east, this means the parking orbit, GTO burn, and coast to separation, all happen during the night, and then the satellite emerges into light.  This gets light to the solar panels, and power, as soon as possible and through the whole first GTO orbit.

My only thought is that perhaps this is an ascending node GTO injection, where they wait for the second equator crossing.  This will be 180o from the first, and then lighting conditions would be the roughly the same as 23:00 local time launch.

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Any idea why this is launching at 11:00 local time?  Normally, comstats are launched from the Cape late in the evening.   Since they head east, this means the parking orbit, GTO burn, and coast to separation, all happen during the night, and then the satellite emerges into light.  This gets light to the solar panels, and power, as soon as possible and through the whole first GTO orbit.

My only thought is that perhaps this is an ascending node GTO injection, where they wait for the second equator crossing.  This will be 180o from the first, and then lighting conditions would be the roughly the same as 23:00 local time launch.

The famous "solar panels need sunlight, that's why they launch during the night" rule doesn't always work, sometimes there are other constraints to launch satellites to GTO at other times that are rarely talked about. Per the timeline, the burn to GTO will be the standard one over Africa so no, it's not on the other side of the planet.

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https://spaceflightnow.com/2022/11/12/falcon-9-galaxy-31-32-live-coverage/

The combined mass for Galaxy 31/Galaxy 32 is 6,600 kilograms, which is less than the Galaxy 33/34 stack.

I don’t know why that one Intelsat official said the Galaxy 31/Galaxy 32 stack weighs more than the other stack.
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https://spaceflightnow.com/2022/11/12/falcon-9-galaxy-31-32-live-coverage/

The combined mass for Galaxy 31/Galaxy 32 is 6,600 kilograms, which is less than the Galaxy 33/34 stack.

I don’t know why that one Intelsat official said the Galaxy 31/Galaxy 32 stack weighs more than the other stack.
Could be the official meant the combined mass after reaching their final orbit in GEO.

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SpaceX Falcon 9 B1051's final launch, with Galaxy 31-32 from SLC-40 at Cape Canaveral.

Overview:
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2022/11/galaxy-31-32/

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https://spaceflightnow.com/2022/11/12/falcon-9-galaxy-31-32-live-coverage/

The combined mass for Galaxy 31/Galaxy 32 is 6,600 kilograms, which is less than the Galaxy 33/34 stack.

I don’t know why that one Intelsat official said the Galaxy 31/Galaxy 32 stack weighs more than the other stack.
Could be the official meant the combined mass after reaching their final orbit in GEO.

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The SFN article I listed said the 6,600-kilogram number refers to the fully-fueled mass prior to launch.
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Less than an hour until launch!🚀Galaxy 31 (bottom) and 32 (top) shown here stacked before being loaded into the @SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket. The @Maxar-built satellites are scheduled for launch at 11:06 a.m. EST today. intl.st/3TwAxNg

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SpaceX Falcon 9 B1051's final launch, with Galaxy 31-32 from SLC-40 at Cape Canaveral.

https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1591451736346185734

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T-minus 15 minutes. Propellant loading continues on SpaceX's Falcon 9 rocket at Cape Canaveral.

The Falcon 9's first stage booster will be expended today, allowing the rocket to deploy Intelsat's Galaxy 31 and 32 satellites into a higher-altitude orbit.

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Intelsat's Galaxy 31 and 32 satellites, seen here, weigh about 14,500 pounds (6.6 metric tons) at launch. Intelsat paid SpaceX an additional fee to devote all of the Falcon 9 rocket's propellant to deliver the satellites into a higher orbit.

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Fancy a rocket launch? The of@Maxar The satellites #Galaxy 31 and 32 built for #Intelsat will lift off from the Cape today at 17:06 CET with a #Falcon9 . This is the 185th launch of a Falcon 9. This time the booster will not land (undamaged).

https://twitter.com/FloSpacenerd/status/1591354582399127552

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Looking forward to see the velocity at MECO.

We don’t get to see that too often with an expended stage.

Edit: 9770 KPH

Sorry to see a booster expended, but what a ride!  Also, great job on the payload fairing halves each on their 5th flight.
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Watch Falcon 9 launch the @Intelsat G-31/G-32 mission to orbit..

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1591459897194909696

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#Galaxy31 #Galaxy32 liftoff from SLC-40. Rest east B1051

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SECO-1 and farewell to Booster 1051 after 14 missions.

https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1591464968058183687

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SpaceX's Falcon 9 rocket has placed Intelsat's Galaxy 31 and 32 satellites into a parking orbit. Another key upper stage burn is planned at T+plus 27 minutes, followed by payload deployment.

Here's a view from the Falcon 9 showing the satellite stack.

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SpaceX's Falcon 9 upper stage has completed its second and final burn on today's mission, accelerating Intelsat's Galaxy 31 and 32 satellites into a supersynchronous transfer orbit and reaching a top speed of more than 22,400 mph (36,100 km per hour).

https://twitter.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1591470254072291328

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Deployment of @Intelsat Galaxy 31 confirmed
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#SpaceX launches satellites Galaxy 31 & 32 for @INTELSAT from SLC-40 this morning at 11:06am EST.

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Falcon 9 pitches down range to deliver Intelsat Galaxy 31 & 32 to orbit

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Liftoff of Falcon 9 and the Intelsat G-31/G-32 mission from Cape Canaveral, Florida at 11:06 a.m. EST this morning

https://twitter.com/johnkrausphotos/status/1591467678967140353

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Farewell Falcon 9 B1051 on its 14th and final flight as SpaceX lofts Intelsat Galaxy-31 & 32 into orbit

https://twitter.com/NASA_Nerd/status/1591466976211357700

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F9/Galaxy 31/32: While we're waiting for the 2nd stage restart, he's a look at launch:

https://twitter.com/cbs_spacenews/status/1591466534333038596

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And liftoff!

#SpaceX launches on a beautiful Saturday morning here at KSC.

https://twitter.com/Booster_Buddies/status/1591466415974158336

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Falcon 9 disappears into the clouds carrying the Intelsat Galaxy-31 & 32 satellites to GTO.

With that, we bid adieu to B1051, which got its start launching the DM-1 mission, and has now been expended after launching a total of 14 times.

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Liftoff of Falcon 9 B1051 for Intelsat Galaxy 31 & 32!

https://twitter.com/JerryPikePhoto/status/1591464615178866690

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With today's launch, SpaceX has now flown 52 rockets in 2022, guaranteeing a cadence of one launch a week for this year. This is an unprecedented performance by a private company.

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Liftoff of Falcon 9 and the Intelsat G-31/G-32 mission from Cape Canaveral, Florida at 11:06 a.m. EST this morning
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Recovery ship Bob is 963km (520 nm) downrange to recover the fairing from the Galaxy 31-32 mission today.

B1051 is going to buy the farm, sadly.
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This video views of this morning's launch of @INTELSAT 31 and 32 satellites aboard a @SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket from SLC-40.

https://twitter.com/planetdeimos/status/1591475346918068225

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14th and final mission. Thank you B1051 👋 You will be missed!

G-31/G-32 lifted off this morning at 11:06 ET from SLC-40.

📷: Me for @SuperclusterHQ

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One last ride 💔
B1051 takes its final flight, launching Galaxy 31 & 32.

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That’s me with my hands up! Always excited when a rocket leaves the planet.

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Signal acquisition achieved for both satellites:

https://www.intelsat.com/newsroom/intelsat-announces-successful-launch-of-galaxy-31-and-galaxy-32-satellites/

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Intelsat Announces Successful Launch of Galaxy 31 and Galaxy 32 Satellites

By INTELSAT CORPORATE COMMUNICATIONS
November 12, 2022

Ensures reliable service to 100 million television viewers

MCLEAN, Va. – Intelsat, operator of the world’s largest integrated satellite and terrestrial network and leading provider of inflight connectivity, announced the successful launch of Galaxy 31 and Galaxy 32, geosynchronous communications satellites that will ensure service continuity to Intelsat’s North American media customers.
The Maxar-manufactured Galaxy 31 and Galaxy 32 satellites launched aboard SpaceX’s Falcon 9 rocket from Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida at 11:06 a.m. EST.

“Today’s successful launch is part of our Galaxy fleet refresh plan and is a clear demonstration of Intelsat’s commitment to our media customers,” said Intelsat CEO Dave Wajsgras. “The Galaxy fleet is the most reliable and efficient media content distribution system in North America, and our customers can continue to count on it for years to come.”

Galaxy 31 separated from the vehicle at 11:46 a.m. EST, and Intelsat confirmed its signal acquisition at 11:59 a.m. EST. Galaxy 32 separated from the vehicle at 11:41 a.m. EST, and Intelsat confirmed its signal acquisition at 11:50 a.m. EST.

Galaxy 31 will replace Galaxy 23 at 121 degrees west and will begin service in early 2023. The satellite will provide distribution services to cable headends throughout the United States.

Galaxy 32 will replace the C-band payload of Galaxy 17 at 91 degrees west in early 2023. This satellite will provide service continuity for Intelsat’s media customers with high-performance distribution to viewers in North America.

Today’s launch continues Intelsat’s Galaxy fleet refresh plan that started with Galaxy 30 in 2020 and carries the second set of a total of seven new Intelsat satellites launching in the next six months.

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Higher res launch photo from SpaceX website

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Left: me watching B1051 fly for the first time, captured by @ryanchylinski.

Right: me watching B1051 fly for the last time, captured by @johnkrausphotos.

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Any idea why this is launching at 11:00 local time?  Normally, comstats are launched from the Cape late in the evening.   Since they head east, this means the parking orbit, GTO burn, and coast to separation, all happen during the night, and then the satellite emerges into light.  This gets light to the solar panels, and power, as soon as possible and through the whole first GTO orbit.
The famous "solar panels need sunlight, that's why they launch during the night" rule doesn't always work, sometimes there are other constraints to launch satellites to GTO at other times that are rarely talked about.
This makes perfect sense - I'm sure they had their reasons for the launch time they picked.  I was wondering what those "other constraints" were for this mission. After all, the vast majority of GTO launches pick a night-time slot.

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Any idea why this is launching at 11:00 local time?  Normally, comstats are launched from the Cape late in the evening.   Since they head east, this means the parking orbit, GTO burn, and coast to separation, all happen during the night, and then the satellite emerges into light.  This gets light to the solar panels, and power, as soon as possible and through the whole first GTO orbit.
The famous "solar panels need sunlight, that's why they launch during the night" rule doesn't always work, sometimes there are other constraints to launch satellites to GTO at other times that are rarely talked about.
This makes perfect sense - I'm sure they had their reasons for the launch time they picked.  I was wondering what those "other constraints" were for this mission. After all, the vast majority of GTO launches pick a night-time slot.

For GTO launches, they try to hit a certain point in space, and that determines your launch window. There are also other constraints (i.e. solar illumination)
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We are please to announce that Galaxy 31 and Galaxy 32, built for @Intelsat, are performing as expected after being launched aboard a @SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket from #CapeCanaveral, Florida, earlier this morning.

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Maxar-built Galaxy 31 and Galaxy 32 Satellites for Intelsat Performing Properly After Launch

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WESTMINSTER, Colo.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Maxar Technologies (NYSE:MAXR) (TSX:MAXR), provider of comprehensive space solutions and secure, precise, geospatial intelligence, today announced that Galaxy 31 and Galaxy 32, built for Intelsat, are performing as expected after being launched aboard a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket from Cape Canaveral, Florida.

These two geostationary satellites will enable Intelsat, operator of the world’s largest integrated satellite and terrestrial network and leading provider of inflight connectivity, to transfer its services—uninterrupted—as part of the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) plan to reallocate parts of the C-band spectrum for 5G terrestrial wireless services. Galaxy 31 and Galaxy 32 are the first of five satellites that Intelsat contracted Maxar to build for the C-band transition. All five satellites will be built on Maxar’s proven 1300-class platform, which offers the flexibility and power needed for a broad range of customer missions.

Shortly after launch earlier today, both satellites deployed their solar arrays and began receiving and sending signals. Next, Galaxy 31 and Galaxy 32 will begin firing thrusters to commerce their journeys to final geostationary orbit.

“Today’s launch of Galaxy 31 and Galaxy 32 is another milestone in Maxar and Intelsat’s decades-long relationship,” said Chris Johnson, Maxar Senior Vice President and General Manager of Space. “Our team will begin initial on-orbit checkout and Intelsat will proceed with commissioning activities of these satellites so that Intelsat can start moving their services to the new spectrum.”

“The Intelsat Galaxy fleet is the most reliable and efficient media content distribution system in North America, enabled by Maxar’s engineering and manufacturing expertise,” said David C. Wajsgras, Intelsat CEO. “This investment will deliver a high-performance technology path through the next decade.”

Maxar also manufactured Intelsat’s Galaxy 35 and Galaxy 36, which are preparing for launch in mid-December 2022.

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CelesTrak has GP data for 1 object from the launch (2022-153) of GALAXY 31 & 32 atop a Falcon 9 from Cape Canaveral on Nov 12 at 1606 UTC: spaceflightnow.com/2022/11/12/fal….

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Two objects cataloged so far from today's Falcon 9 launch in supersync transfer orbit: 283 x 58433 km x 24.2 deg, 306 x 58459 km x 22.3 deg.  Expecting three objects: G-31, G-32 and the F9 second stage.
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Hi, what are the odds that a plane is in the neighbourhood upon launch?

https://twitter.com/nickyvangeert/status/1591476991257198592

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Falcon 9 second stage second burn over the equator, raising apogee to geotransfer orbit with 38000 km apogee

https://twitter.com/planet4589/status/1591469424841744385

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"Self control" edit of the SpaceX launch today, from a @NASASpaceflight remote-operated tracking cam (via http://nsf.live/spacecoast). No fancy CV or automation, just played it like a video game w/ mouse and keyboard from 450 miles away.

https://twitter.com/KSpaceAcademy/status/1591530790252609536

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Booster #B1051 launched with no landing legs or grids fins & was expended after delivering it's final payload into orbit. B1051 was a trailblazer marking the start of the #CrewDragon program with Demo-1 on the 2 March 2019. After 1,351 days & 14 flights, B1051 is no more..

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Updating / Update

After three years of impeccable service, the Booster B1051 makes its 14th and last flight and moves to the left side of the infographic.

https://twitter.com/SpaceIntellige3/status/1591536463724044288

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A rare expendable SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket launches Intelsat G-31 & G-32 to orbit

https://twitter.com/notcislunar/status/1591488247225614337

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With this flight we can re-calibrate the loss of payload for recoverability.  This flight staged at 9777 km/hr = 2715 m/s.  The preceding G33/G34 flight (with recovery) staged at 8340 km/hr = 2316 m/s.   Thus the first stage provided roughly 400 m/s more (roughly because the differing payload masses will have some small effect on first stage dV).

Now making the usual second stage assumptions (fuel = 107t, empty mass + residual = 5.5t, ISP = 348), then how much can you increase the payload from the nominal 5.5t if the second stage needs to produce 400 m/s less?  Turns out it's 7.03t.  So any orbit the recoverable rocket can reach with a 5.5t payload, the expendable one can reach with a 7.03t payload.

A 5.5t payload is 78% of a 7.03t payload, so the F9 Block 5 loses 22% of its GTO payload when recovering the first stage.

A similar calculation indicates LEO payload would be equal for a 16t recoverable and a 19.3t expendable.  That's a 17% payload hit for recoverability.

And future recoverable first stages can do even better.  The recoverable F9 has to reserve a fair amount of fuel for the entry burn.  If a next generation vehicle (such as New Glenn or Neutron) can scrub off entry speed with aerodynamics without overheating, they could have even smaller recovery penalties then the F9.


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Here is a comparison of the webcast telemetry from the Galaxy 33-34 and 31-32 missions. As Lou suggests, it does allow a fairly direct comparison between an ASDS and an expendable booster profile.

The respective payload masses were 7,350kg for G33-34, and about 6,500kg for G31-32. By expending the booster, the G31-32 second stage had far more propellant available for its GTO injection burn to a much higher super-synchronous orbit:

G33-34 burnt for 49s
G31-32 burnt for 71s

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A rare expendable SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket launches Intelsat G-31 & G-32 to orbit


Only the 5th Falcon 9 Block 5 first stage to be intentionally expended. The Boosters B1054 and B1066 were expended on their first flight, B1047 on it's third, B1046 on it's fourth, and B1051 on it's 14th.

B1054 - 23 December 2018 - GPS III SV01.
B1047.3 - 6 August 2019 - AMOS-17 (Replacement for AMOS-6.
B1046.4 - 19 January 2020 - Crew Dragon MaxQ test. Only Block 5 to have a suborbital mission.
B1066 - 1 November 2022 - Core booster of USSF-44.
B1051.14 - 12 November 2022 - Intelsat Galaxy 31 and 32.

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Clouds added to the beautiful @SpaceX launch of @INTELSAT's #Galaxy31_32

https://twitter.com/John_Winkopp/status/1591511698263150594

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A rare expendable SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket launches Intelsat G-31 & G-32 to orbit


Only the 5th Falcon 9 Block 5 first stage to be intentionally expended. The Boosters B1054 and B1066 were expended on their first flight, B1047 on it's third, B1046 on it's fourth, and B1051 on it's 14th.

B1054 - 23 December 2018 - GPS III SV01.
B1047.3 - 6 August 2019 - AMOS-17 (Replacement for AMOS-6.
B1046.4 - 19 January 2020 - Crew Dragon MaxQ test. Only Block 5 to have a suborbital mission.
B1066 - 1 November 2022 - Core booster of USSF-44.
B1051.14 - 12 November 2022 - Intelsat Galaxy 31 and 32.


And B1049.11 will be the sixth later this month.
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SpaceX launches two telecommunications satellites into orbit.

The rocket lifted off from Florida's Cape Canaveral Space Force Station.

12 NOV, 16:26

NEW YORK, November 13. /TASS/. US company SpaceX launched the carrier rocket Falcon 9 with two telecommunications satellites on Saturday. The launch was broadcast on the company's website.

The rocket lifted off from Florida's Cape Canaveral Space Force Station at 11:06 a.m. EST (19:06 Moscow time), carrying Intelsat's Galaxy 31 and Galaxy 32 satellites.

The first carrier stage was previously used in 13 launches. This time, SpaceX has decided not to return this Falcon 9 component to Earth. All of the fuel will be utilized to launch satellites into orbit before it falls into the Atlantic Ocean.

https://tass.com/science/1535771

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A wonderful shot of Falcon 9 + Galaxy 31 & 32 on the pad before launch :)
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Statistics of #SpaceX's #Falcon9 & #FalconHeavy booster missions as of Nov 12, 2022

https://twitter.com/_rykllan/status/1591637431211921408

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More statistics of #SpaceX's #Falcon9 & #FalconHeavy booster missions as of Nov 12, 2022

https://twitter.com/_rykllan/status/1591637412782166017

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With this flight we can re-calibrate the loss of payload for recoverability.  This flight staged at 9777 km/hr = 2715 m/s.  The preceding G33/G34 flight (with recovery) staged at 8340 km/hr = 2316 m/s.   Thus the first stage provided roughly 400 m/s more (roughly because the differing payload masses will have some small effect on first stage dV).

Now making the usual second stage assumptions (fuel = 107t, empty mass + residual = 5.5t, ISP = 348), then how much can you increase the payload from the nominal 5.5t if the second stage needs to produce 400 m/s less?  Turns out it's 7.03t.  So any orbit the recoverable rocket can reach with a 5.5t payload, the expendable one can reach with a 7.03t payload.

A 5.5t payload is 78% of a 7.03t payload, so the F9 Block 5 loses 22% of its GTO payload when recovering the first stage.
Doesn't match the SpaceX claims of 8.3 tonnes GTO and 22.8 tonnes LEO, which date back to the start of Block 5 I think.  Maybe they gave up payload to beef up the fairings for sea recovery?

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With this flight we can re-calibrate the loss of payload for recoverability.  This flight staged at 9777 km/hr = 2715 m/s.  The preceding G33/G34 flight (with recovery) staged at 8340 km/hr = 2316 m/s.   Thus the first stage provided roughly 400 m/s more (roughly because the differing payload masses will have some small effect on first stage dV).

Now making the usual second stage assumptions (fuel = 107t, empty mass + residual = 5.5t, ISP = 348), then how much can you increase the payload from the nominal 5.5t if the second stage needs to produce 400 m/s less?  Turns out it's 7.03t.  So any orbit the recoverable rocket can reach with a 5.5t payload, the expendable one can reach with a 7.03t payload.

A 5.5t payload is 78% of a 7.03t payload, so the F9 Block 5 loses 22% of its GTO payload when recovering the first stage.
Doesn't match the SpaceX claims of 8.3 tonnes GTO and 22.8 tonnes LEO, which date back to the start of Block 5 I think.  Maybe they gave up payload to beef up the fairings for sea recovery?

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I suspect SpaceX is still reserving performance for engine-out. The max payload figures probably assume burn to depletion as well (less accurate).

It might also include staging the fairing off early (like with Starlink) and using a non-recoverable fairing as you also speculate.
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With this flight we can re-calibrate the loss of payload for recoverability.  This flight staged at 9777 km/hr = 2715 m/s.  The preceding G33/G34 flight (with recovery) staged at 8340 km/hr = 2316 m/s.   Thus the first stage provided roughly 400 m/s more (roughly because the differing payload masses will have some small effect on first stage dV).

Now making the usual second stage assumptions (fuel = 107t, empty mass + residual = 5.5t, ISP = 348), then how much can you increase the payload from the nominal 5.5t if the second stage needs to produce 400 m/s less?  Turns out it's 7.03t.  So any orbit the recoverable rocket can reach with a 5.5t payload, the expendable one can reach with a 7.03t payload.

A 5.5t payload is 78% of a 7.03t payload, so the F9 Block 5 loses 22% of its GTO payload when recovering the first stage.
Doesn't match the SpaceX claims of 8.3 tonnes GTO and 22.8 tonnes LEO, which date back to the start of Block 5 I think.  Maybe they gave up payload to beef up the fairings for sea recovery?
These are not maximums - they are just equivalences.  I just picked typical payload masses near the high end of the range for recoverable missions (but not at the limit, which I don't know) and found the payload that an expendable could put into exactly the same orbit.  The objective was to compute the ratio, not the limit.

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This means that all components of the Demo-1 mission now no longer exist (apart from, maybe, Ripley).
Capsule was destroyed in a Super Draco test.
Second stage always expended
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With this flight we can re-calibrate the loss of payload for recoverability.  This flight staged at 9777 km/hr = 2715 m/s.  The preceding G33/G34 flight (with recovery) staged at 8340 km/hr = 2316 m/s.   Thus the first stage provided roughly 400 m/s more (roughly because the differing payload masses will have some small effect on first stage dV).

Now making the usual second stage assumptions (fuel = 107t, empty mass + residual = 5.5t, ISP = 348), then how much can you increase the payload from the nominal 5.5t if the second stage needs to produce 400 m/s less?  Turns out it's 7.03t.  So any orbit the recoverable rocket can reach with a 5.5t payload, the expendable one can reach with a 7.03t payload.

A 5.5t payload is 78% of a 7.03t payload, so the F9 Block 5 loses 22% of its GTO payload when recovering the first stage.
Doesn't match the SpaceX claims of 8.3 tonnes GTO and 22.8 tonnes LEO, which date back to the start of Block 5 I think.  Maybe they gave up payload to beef up the fairings for sea recovery?

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Doesn't GTO come in many flavors?

How does this mission compare to the minimum that can be called GTO?

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Well in terms of expendable F9, this mission performed better than the last time they tried the same. For reference, Amos 17 went into a GTO-1784 vs GTO-1611 achieved on this launch. Would be interesting to compare the telemetry from both missions... *wink wink* https://twitter.com/Alexphysics13/status/1591560891128254465

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With this flight we can re-calibrate the loss of payload for recoverability.  This flight staged at 9777 km/hr = 2715 m/s.  The preceding G33/G34 flight (with recovery) staged at 8340 km/hr = 2316 m/s.   Thus the first stage provided roughly 400 m/s more (roughly because the differing payload masses will have some small effect on first stage dV).

Now making the usual second stage assumptions (fuel = 107t, empty mass + residual = 5.5t, ISP = 348), then how much can you increase the payload from the nominal 5.5t if the second stage needs to produce 400 m/s less?  Turns out it's 7.03t.  So any orbit the recoverable rocket can reach with a 5.5t payload, the expendable one can reach with a 7.03t payload.

A 5.5t payload is 78% of a 7.03t payload, so the F9 Block 5 loses 22% of its GTO payload when recovering the first stage.
Doesn't match the SpaceX claims of 8.3 tonnes GTO and 22.8 tonnes LEO, which date back to the start of Block 5 I think.  Maybe they gave up payload to beef up the fairings for sea recovery?

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of course it does not match - these are different GTOs:
The original claim by SpaceX - "8.3 t to GTO" - implies GTO(-1800 m/s)
In this flight the payload was delivered to substantially *higher* GTO ~ -1600 m/s

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With this flight we can re-calibrate the loss of payload for recoverability.  This flight staged at 9777 km/hr = 2715 m/s.  The preceding G33/G34 flight (with recovery) staged at 8340 km/hr = 2316 m/s.   Thus the first stage provided roughly 400 m/s more (roughly because the differing payload masses will have some small effect on first stage dV).

Now making the usual second stage assumptions (fuel = 107t, empty mass + residual = 5.5t, ISP = 348), then how much can you increase the payload from the nominal 5.5t if the second stage needs to produce 400 m/s less?  Turns out it's 7.03t.  So any orbit the recoverable rocket can reach with a 5.5t payload, the expendable one can reach with a 7.03t payload.

A 5.5t payload is 78% of a 7.03t payload, so the F9 Block 5 loses 22% of its GTO payload when recovering the first stage.
Doesn't match the SpaceX claims of 8.3 tonnes GTO and 22.8 tonnes LEO, which date back to the start of Block 5 I think.  Maybe they gave up payload to beef up the fairings for sea recovery?

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of course it does not match - these are different GTOs:
The original claim by SpaceX - "8.3 t to GTO" - implies GTO(-1800 m/s)
In this flight the payload was delivered to substantially *higher* GTO ~ -1600 m/s

That gets close to GTO-1500 from French Guiana
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Well in terms of expendable F9, this mission performed better than the last time they tried the same. For reference, Amos 17 went into a GTO-1784 vs GTO-1611 achieved on this launch. Would be interesting to compare the telemetry from both missions... *wink wink*

The payloads for AMOS-17 and G31-32 were the same, at 6,500kg. The AMOS-17 booster profile was unusual because there was no throttle up after MaxQ, and so gravity losses would have been a little higher. MECOs were at 2644 and 2716m/s respectively.

Second stage burn times:
MissionLEO sGTO s
AMOS-1731561
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So, the G31-32 second stage burn to LEO was 7s shorter, and her (lower throttle) burn to GTO was 10s longer.

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That gets close to GTO-1500 from French Guiana

Makes sense as there's another two nearly identical satellites going up on VA259
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Well in terms of expendable F9, this mission performed better than the last time they tried the same. For reference, Amos 17 went into a GTO-1784 vs GTO-1611 achieved on this launch. Would be interesting to compare the telemetry from both missions... *wink wink*

The payloads for AMOS-17 and G31-32 were the same, at 6,500kg. The AMOS-17 booster profile was unusual because there was no throttle up after MaxQ, and so gravity losses would have been a little higher. MECOs were at 2644 and 2716m/s respectively.

Second stage burn times:
MissionLEO sGTO s
AMOS-1731561
G31-3230871

So, the G31-32 second stage burn to LEO was 7s shorter, and her (lower throttle) burn to GTO was 10s longer.

Thank you, as always, for so much data on which to chew.

I have a question:
Why would the second burn of the G31-32 second stage be so delayed when compared to that for AMOS-17?
The general principle is that this burn should occur over the equator.
However, as the downrange distances as functions of time are equal, to the resolution of the graph, a difference in timing would equate to a difference in downrange distance, longitude, and, most significantly, lattitude.
Is there a detail in the data that I am missing that allows both to be over the Equator?
If not, why would this be chosen when it appears to be other than optimal?
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Well in terms of expendable F9, this mission performed better than the last time they tried the same. For reference, Amos 17 went into a GTO-1784 vs GTO-1611 achieved on this launch. Would be interesting to compare the telemetry from both missions... *wink wink*

The payloads for AMOS-17 and G31-32 were the same, at 6,500kg. The AMOS-17 booster profile was unusual because there was no throttle up after MaxQ, and so gravity losses would have been a little higher. MECOs were at 2644 and 2716m/s respectively.

Second stage burn times:
MissionLEO sGTO s
AMOS-1731561
G31-3230871

So, the G31-32 second stage burn to LEO was 7s shorter, and her (lower throttle) burn to GTO was 10s longer.

I thought Galaxy 31/Galaxy 32 weighed 6.6 tons.
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I have a question:
Why would the second burn of the G31-32 second stage be so delayed when compared to that for AMOS-17?
The general principle is that this burn should occur over the equator.
However, as the dosnrange distances are equal to the resolution of the graph, a difference in timing would equate to a difference in downrange distance, longitude, and, most significantly, lattitude.
Is there a detail in the data that I am missing that allows both to be over the Equator?
If not, why would this be chosen when it appears to be other than optimal?

Another parameter that can be tweaked is launch azimuth. Attached is an anigif of the launch hazard areas for AMOS-17 and Galaxy 31-32, showing that AMOS-17 launched further North (open the anigif to see the animation).

From the webcasts, AMOS-17 flew a little South of the ground tracking station at Libreville (0.39° N), reaching the equator 25s earlier than G31-32. Meanwhile, G31-32 crossed the equator and began its GTO burn some 200km further downrange.

Edit: reworked the anigif from the original NGA co-ordinates, just to be sure.

I thought Galaxy 31/Galaxy 32 weighed 6.6 tons.

Wikipedia had ~6,500 kg listed when I posted, it now shows ~6,600 kg.
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That is true but raises two issues:

Launching at any azimuth other than due east increases the inclination of the initial orbit, which would increase the plane change to GEO.  This in turn increases the delta-V deficit to GEO, which mostly falls on the spacecraft burn at apogee.  That would make it less efficient.

Also, if Galaxy 31&32 launch in a more southerly direction, their trajectory would get to the Equator earlier, not later.

Now there are TWO things I don’t understand!
(I feel like The Cat In The Hat with the red spots!)

PS That’s a really neat “anigif” of the hazard zones.
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Please can someone remind me (or point at an explanation) of what the GTO-xxxx numbers mean?
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Please can someone remind me (or point at an explanation) of what the GTO-xxxx numbers mean?
Sure, the XXXX is the number of m/s left to get into geosynchronous orbit, so smaller numbers are better.   It's a combination of two tasks  - to circularize the orbit at geosynchronous height, and to remove any remaining inclination from the transfer orbit.  As an example, a GTO with a GEO apogee from the Cape is about GTO-1800, whereas a GTO with GEO apogee from French Guiana is typically about GTO-1500, since the spacecraft has less inclination to remove.

If your rocket has more dV than needed to simply reach GTO apogee, you can spend it by increasing the apogee above geosynchronous (which makes the plane change cheaper, by reducing the inclination cost), or reducing the inclination of the transfer orbit.

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Please can someone remind me (or point at an explanation) of what the GTO-xxxx numbers mean?
Sure, the XXXX is the number of m/s left to get into geosynchronous orbit, so smaller numbers are better.   It's a combination of two tasks  - to circularize the orbit at geosynchronous height, and to remove any remaining inclination from the transfer orbit.  As an example, a GTO with a GEO apogee from the Cape is about GTO-1800, whereas a GTO with GEO apogee from French Guiana is typically about GTO-1500, since the spacecraft has less inclination to remove.

If your rocket has more dV than needed to simply reach GTO apogee, you can spend it by increasing the apogee above geosynchronous (which makes the plane change cheaper, by reducing the inclination cost), or reducing the inclination of the transfer orbit.

Also, you can use the spare delta-v to raise the perigee significantly and reduce the inclination a bit more at apogee.
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Please can someone remind me (or point at an explanation) of what the GTO-xxxx numbers mean?
Sure, the XXXX is the number of m/s left to get into geosynchronous orbit, so smaller numbers are better.   It's a combination of two tasks  - to circularize the orbit at geosynchronous height, and to remove any remaining inclination from the transfer orbit.  As an example, a GTO with a GEO apogee from the Cape is about GTO-1800, whereas a GTO with GEO apogee from French Guiana is typically about GTO-1500, since the spacecraft has less inclination to remove.

It's more commonly, and more appropriately in my opinion, written as GEO-1500, as in "GEO(stationary orbit) minus 1500 (m/s)".  "GTO-1500" sounds like it would be 1500 m/s shy of the elliptical transfer orbit (with perigee at a couple hundred kilometers and apogee at ~36000 km), instead of 1500 m/s shy of the actual circular geostationary orbit.  Nitpicking, I know, but that allows you to generalize it and say things like "TLI-100" (trans-lunar injection minus 100).

On another note, it can be worth mentioning that one way of lowering the amount of Δv needed by the satellite to enter GEO, is to insert it into an orbit with apogee higher than 36000 km; this is called a super-synchronous transfer orbit.  Since the velocity at the apogee is then lower, you need less energy to change the inclination.  And this is what was done in this particular launch, putting the apogee at 38000 km.  (Another way is of course to raise the perigee of the transfer orbit instead, so the satellite will need less energy to circularize.  That however means that the upper stage of the launch rocket will need to reserve some propellant to lower its perigee again afterwards, so it can deorbit in a reasonable time.)

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Still only 2 objects cataloged from the launch (although there is currently a gap, 54245, which could be the third object).

It seems unlikely that the second stage was deorbited given the performance concerns, so I assume the third object will eventually show up.
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Still only 2 objects cataloged from the launch (although there is currently a gap, 54245, which could be the third object).

It seems unlikely that the second stage was deorbited given the performance concerns, so I assume the third object will eventually show up.
Also, the two that are there have quite different inclinations (24.2 and 22.3), if I'm reading the elements right.  This seems odd - I can't see any reason to change the inclination without changing the perigee.  It's quite a bit less efficient than combining the maneuvers.  So something is odd....

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Still only 2 objects cataloged from the launch (although there is currently a gap, 54245, which could be the third object).

It seems unlikely that the second stage was deorbited given the performance concerns, so I assume the third object will eventually show up.
Also, the two that are there have quite different inclinations (24.2 and 22.3), if I'm reading the elements right.  This seems odd - I can't see any reason to change the inclination without changing the perigee.  It's quite a bit less efficient than combining the maneuvers.  So something is odd....
The two cataloged objects are raising their perigee and reducing their inclination, implying it's the booster that's missing:

2022-153A
1 54243U 22153A   22318.61849001 -.00000032  00000+0  00000+0 0  9990
2 54243   8.9120 126.9542 6083783 181.6523 174.4994  1.11113846    26
perigee = 9049.2
apogee = 56959.3

2022-153B
1 54244U 22153B   22318.62196570 -.00000027  00000+0  00000+0 0  9992
2 54244   8.7605 126.9013 6302261 182.7810 170.1821  1.17288513    24
perigee = 7673.34
apogee = 55546.4

It would take only a 20 m/s bump at apogee to change the orbit of the booster from 300x56000 to 45x56000 (which would re-enter at the next perigee).  So perhaps the booster was deliberately de-orbited.

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When there's a deorbit, there's usually a marine hazard map for that. GPS missions include deorbit burns and they issue these notices as well.

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When there's a deorbit, there's usually a marine hazard map for that. GPS missions include deorbit burns and they issue these notices as well.
Pure speculation:  maybe they just do something like vent the residuals in a direction opposite their motion.  The results would be hard to predict since the residuals are uncertain, ranging from 0 to 1-2% percent of total fuel.  So they could not predict in advance whether it would re-enter, have a lower perigee (and maybe a lower apogee on the next orbit), or have almost no change.  In particular, if maneuvering lowered the perigee enough to lower the successive apogee, then maybe it's in some obscure orbit that's hard to track.

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The booster has now been cataloged, 54248 in a 150 x 58270 km x 24.4 deg orbit.
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Booster burnt up surely, I assume you meant 2nd stage?

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Also just cataloged, the expected third object from the last F9 launch, as 54248 /2022-153C in a 150 x 58270 kmx  24.4 deg orbit; probably the F9 second stage.
This leaves 54245 as an unexpected gap in the @18thSDS  catalog
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Please can someone remind me (or point at an explanation) of what the GTO-xxxx numbers mean?
Sure, the XXXX is the number of m/s left to get into geosynchronous orbit, so smaller numbers are better.   It's a combination of two tasks  - to circularize the orbit at geosynchronous height, and to remove any remaining inclination from the transfer orbit.  As an example, a GTO with a GEO apogee from the Cape is about GTO-1800, whereas a GTO with GEO apogee from French Guiana is typically about GTO-1500, since the spacecraft has less inclination to remove.

If your rocket has more dV than needed to simply reach GTO apogee, you can spend it by increasing the apogee above geosynchronous (which makes the plane change cheaper, by reducing the inclination cost), or reducing the inclination of the transfer orbit.

Also, you can use the spare delta-v to raise the perigee significantly and reduce the inclination a bit more at apogee.

Please can someone remind me (or point at an explanation) of what the GTO-xxxx numbers mean?
Sure, the XXXX is the number of m/s left to get into geosynchronous orbit, so smaller numbers are better.   It's a combination of two tasks  - to circularize the orbit at geosynchronous height, and to remove any remaining inclination from the transfer orbit.  As an example, a GTO with a GEO apogee from the Cape is about GTO-1800, whereas a GTO with GEO apogee from French Guiana is typically about GTO-1500, since the spacecraft has less inclination to remove.

It's more commonly, and more appropriately in my opinion, written as GEO-1500, as in "GEO(stationary orbit) minus 1500 (m/s)".  "GTO-1500" sounds like it would be 1500 m/s shy of the elliptical transfer orbit (with perigee at a couple hundred kilometers and apogee at ~36000 km), instead of 1500 m/s shy of the actual circular geostationary orbit.  Nitpicking, I know, but that allows you to generalize it and say things like "TLI-100" (trans-lunar injection minus 100).

On another note, it can be worth mentioning that one way of lowering the amount of Δv needed by the satellite to enter GEO, is to insert it into an orbit with apogee higher than 36000 km; this is called a super-synchronous transfer orbit.  Since the velocity at the apogee is then lower, you need less energy to change the inclination.  And this is what was done in this particular launch, putting the apogee at 38000 km.  (Another way is of course to raise the perigee of the transfer orbit instead, so the satellite will need less energy to circularize.  That however means that the upper stage of the launch rocket will need to reserve some propellant to lower its perigee again afterwards, so it can deorbit in a reasonable time.)

Thanks - I understand the orbits (at least, I know what they are), I just couldn't remember what the xxxx was.

I assume also, that a plane change at perigee is also cheaper than performing a dog-leg during first stage flight (or are there no launch sites near enough to the equator to make that even remotely practical? eg Kourou is around 5 degrees north, iirc)
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The booster has now been cataloged, 54248 in a 150 x 58270 km x 24.4 deg orbit.
Interesting.  The apogee is higher, and the perigee lower, then the initial transfer orbit (though not by much in m/s).  Intuitively, this could be explained by a fuel dump or small maneuver at right angles to the flight path.  This would not change the earth-relative velocity much (same orbital energy) but would change the eccentricity, potentially resulting in both a higher apogee and lower perigee.

Speculation: maybe they engineer the fuel dump so the second stage will now re-enter more quickly, and this has the side effect of raising the apogee?  And maybe they do it this way since an impulse at right angles to the flight path will never result in re-contact, regardless of magnitude (and the magnitude may be very uncertain if it is based on residuals)? And it can be done right after payload separation - no need to wait for apogee?  These are all guesses from very thin evidence...

EDIT:  It can't be strictly an eccentricity change, since if it was then the apogee would go up by the same amount that the perigee went down.  Since the apogee went up by more than the perigee went down, the semi-major axis increased, so there was some pro-grade component. 

Or maybe I'm inferring imaginary patterns from noisy data.  Does anyone know how accurate the Celestrak numbers typically are?
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The booster has now been cataloged, 54248 in a 150 x 58270 km x 24.4 deg orbit.
Interesting.  The apogee is higher, and the perigee lower, then the initial transfer orbit (though not by much in m/s).  Intuitively, this could be explained by a fuel dump or small maneuver at right angles to the flight path.  This would not change the earth-relative velocity much (same orbital energy) but would change the eccentricity, potentially resulting in both a higher apogee and lower perigee.
The apogee raise here is still a puzzle.  It's not like it's a huge maneuver (50 m/s at an altitude of 20,000 km could do both the perigee drop and the apogee raise), but you can always do the perigee drop more efficiently by omitting any prograde component of the burn (and so not raising the apogee).  For the same delta V (in this hypothetical case, and many others I've tried) they could have de-orbited the second stage completely.

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The booster has now been cataloged, 54248 in a 150 x 58270 km x 24.4 deg orbit.
Interesting.  The apogee is higher, and the perigee lower, then the initial transfer orbit (though not by much in m/s).  Intuitively, this could be explained by a fuel dump or small maneuver at right angles to the flight path.  This would not change the earth-relative velocity much (same orbital energy) but would change the eccentricity, potentially resulting in both a higher apogee and lower perigee.
The apogee raise here is still a puzzle.  It's not like it's a huge maneuver (50 m/s at an altitude of 20,000 km could do both the perigee drop and the apogee raise), but you can always do the perigee drop more efficiently by omitting any prograde component of the burn (and so not raising the apogee).  For the same delta V (in this hypothetical case, and many others I've tried) they could have de-orbited the second stage completely.

Could they have done it in the same phase of flight? The upper stage only has a few hours of endurance until the propellants are boiled off, and that is with the extension kit. They might well have done the most efficient disposal burn they could an hour after launch.
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The booster has now been cataloged, 54248 in a 150 x 58270 km x 24.4 deg orbit.
Interesting.  The apogee is higher, and the perigee lower, then the initial transfer orbit (though not by much in m/s).  Intuitively, this could be explained by a fuel dump or small maneuver at right angles to the flight path.  This would not change the earth-relative velocity much (same orbital energy) but would change the eccentricity, potentially resulting in both a higher apogee and lower perigee.
The apogee raise here is still a puzzle.  It's not like it's a huge maneuver (50 m/s at an altitude of 20,000 km could do both the perigee drop and the apogee raise), but you can always do the perigee drop more efficiently by omitting any prograde component of the burn (and so not raising the apogee).  For the same delta V (in this hypothetical case, and many others I've tried) they could have de-orbited the second stage completely.
Could they have done it in the same phase of flight? The upper stage only has a few hours of endurance until the propellants are boiled off, and that is with the extension kit. They might well have done the most efficient disposal burn they could an hour after launch.
I don't think this explains it.  I modelled de-orbit burns all the way from just after separation (1000 km altitude) to apogee(56000 km).  The delta V required varies strongly with location - 300 m/s if done right after separation, 50 m/s at 20,0000 km, 10 m/s at apogee.  But in every case, raising the apogee requires more delta-V for the same perigee reduction.

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54243    GALAXY 31   2022-153A      1437.95   0.02   35861   35784   
54244    GALAXY 32   2022-153B      1436.16   0.04   35796   35780
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Here's my attempt at making a press kit from the archived web page. If someone can do better, please do!

https://web.archive.org/web/20221111192733/https://www.spacex.com/launches/intelsat-g-31-g-32/
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Intelsat License LLC (“Intelsat”) herein requests an additional 30 days of Special Temporary Authority (“STA”)1 previously granted to Intelsat to drift Galaxy 32 (S3078) from its in-orbit testing (“IOT”) location of 149.05° W.L. to its permanent location of 91.0° W.L.2 Galaxy 32 was launched on November 12, 2022. The satellite completed its IOT at 149.05° W.L. on January 7, 2023.3 Galaxy 32 began its drift to 91.0° W.L. on January 11, 2023, and is expected to arrive on-station by the end of February 2023.

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