Author Topic: SpaceX F9 : Galileo L12 : KSC LC-39A : 27/28 April 2024 (00:34 UTC)  (Read 43640 times)

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Full SpaceX broadcast replay (via The Space Devs):

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Summary Video of Launch (via the SciNews):

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The end of the webcast had some nice animation/stats

430 reused fairing so far

Thats pretty impressive $6 million a set, $1.3 billion saved (minus refurb/recovery costs)

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The end of the webcast had some nice animation/stats

430 reused fairing so far

Thats pretty impressive $6 million a set, $1.3 billion saved (minus refurb/recovery costs)

and here is that animation/stats clip (credit: SpaceX)

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Sorry for the late post, but here's the PDF of the online press kit.
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From the front yard, we got a hole in the clouds and a beautiful view... one that unfortunately we don't get much anymore now that all the Starlink launches go southeast  :(

Are the two close bright objects in the tail the fairing halves?

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Someone with some video editing MAY be able to catch fairing sep off the reflection on the glass wall in mission control, you could see something happening reflecting off the monitors

Credit my wife for noting it

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Someone with some video editing MAY be able to catch fairing sep off the reflection on the glass wall in mission control, you could see something happening reflecting off the monitors

Credit my wife for noting it

Good catch, The visual of the faring sep appears just a few seconds after the start of the video clip.  Keep your eyes on the reflection on the back glass wall where the Black landing leg (hanging from the ceiling) is located.

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One object from the launch currently recorded on Space-Track as 2024-079A/59598 in a 167 x 23176 km x 54.69° orbit.

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1784402379569574316

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Falcon 9 launches from LC-39A in Florida
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Some reusability stats for this launch (Galileo FM25 & FM27):

Booster B1060.20 turnaround time:
34 days 21 hours 25 minutes
(its previous mission was Starlink Group 6-42 on Mar 24, 2024 UTC).

FYI: median turnaround time for Falcon 9 / Heavy boosters is currently 40.05 days *
* – based on the last 30 launches, excluding new first stages.

Launchpad LC-39A turnaround time:
10 days 3 hours 8 minutes
(the previous launch from this pad was Starlink Group 6-51 on Apr 17, 2024 UTC).

FYI: median turnaround time for LC-39A is currently 17.64 days *
* – based on the last 30 launches.

The same type of stats for previous SpaceX launches may be found on this spreadsheet online.

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Launch success has been confirmed by the customer:

https://twitter.com/EU4Space/status/1784445305846419959

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🛰28 April: the EU launched 2 new Galileo satellites!

Earlier this morning, the Galileo satellites were ejected from the launcher's upper stage & reached the Holding Point. They are currently managed by #EUSPA as part of the Launch & Early Orbit Phase (LEOP).

What happens now?

Over the following days, the EUSPA Launch & Early Orbit Phase team will be manoeuvring the satellites from the dedicated #Galileo Control Center in Oberpfaffenhofen, Germany until they are placed into their home orbit at 23 220 km.

Galileo LEOP operations will constitute one of the most cooperative activities between numerous European entities in the #EUSpace sector, including EUSPA, @spaceopal, @DLR_en, German Space Operations Center, @telespazio and @esa.

Galileo: financed by the EU, developed by ESA, services delivered by EUSPA. This is #EUSpace!

And the official Galileo system NAGU (Notice Advisory to Galileo Users):

DATE GENERATED (UTC): 2024-04-28 05:20

NAGU TYPE: GENERAL (LAUNCH)
NAGU NUMBER: 2024020
NAGU SUBJECT: LAUNCH OF GSAT0225 AND GSAT0227
NAGU REFERENCED TO: N/A
START DATE EVENT (UTC): 2024-04-28 00:34
END DATE EVENT (UTC): N/A
SATELLITE AFFECTED: GSAT0225, GSAT0227

EVENT DESCRIPTION: GALILEO SATELLITES GSAT0225 (SVID 29) AND GSAT0227 (SVID 06) WERE LAUNCHED ON 2024-04-28 AT 00:34 UTC. GSAT0225 AND GSAT0227 ARE PLANNED TO BE POSITIONED IN SLOTS C05 AND C12 OF THE CONSTELLATION. USERS WILL BE ADVISED OF AVAILABILITY OF SIGNALS FOLLOWING COMPLETION OF COMMISSIONING ACTIVITIES.
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Thanks SpaceX for 'rescuing' the Galileo GNSS by performing this launch.

But, hopefully you do agree that this is not the correct method to perform launches like this.
The F9 second stage for this launch was directly added to the catalog of permanent items of space debris, in MEO. The most dangerous items of space debris are the Zenit-2 second stages in SSO orbit, but those will decay in a couple hundred years. The F9 second stages from the Galileo launches will not decay over time.
There was a lot of outrage about the Long March 5B launches that left the CZ-5-500 core stage into leo for uncontrolled reentry. I think these Galileo launches also deserve objection.

I think this launch should have used a kick-stage (3th stage) to circularize the orbit from the ~200x23000 56deg parking orbit. This kick stage would become the item of space debris, and the F9 second stage could reenter after a reentry burn.
Now my questions is; does a launch like this allow the booster to be recovered?
And could this even allow 4 instead of 2 Galileo Gen1 satellites to be launch on a launch (1,5mT => 3mT payload mass to MEO) 
This launch could be performed with a stand (long nozzle Mvac) upper-stage instead of the long coasting version. Possibly even the stubby Mvac could suffice. 

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1784381829388333385

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Due to the additional performance required to deliver the payload to medium Earth orbit, this mission marks the 20th and final launch for this Falcon 9 first stage booster
5:39 PM · Apr 27, 2024

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1784381903954698245

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The last time a first stage was expended during a Falcon 9 mission was 146 flights ago in November 2022. On most Falcon 9 missions, enough propellant remains in the first stage after stage separation to enable landing, recovery, and ultimately reuse on future missions
5:39 PM · Apr 27, 2024

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1784382036096242138

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We’re working toward qualifying our fleet of Falcon boosters and fairings to support 40 missions each. Increasing Falcon's flight count provides valuable information on repeated reuse, a critical element for making life multiplanetary with Starship
5:40 PM · Apr 27, 2024

Is the aim for 40 missions on a falcon 9 a new goal or was this mentioned earlier?
With the change from max 20 to max 40 missions per falcon 9 booster, there are even less boosters available for expendable missions. Might this also motivate SpaceX to introduce a kick-stage in their offering?

To be clear. SpaceX came to the rescue here for the pis por performing European space industry. Soyuz-ST became unavailable because Russia invaded Ukraine, an as result European countries imposed (financial) sanctions on Russia. So payments for Soyuz-ST launch services are blocked.
On the other hand, the required European launcher for this mission, was eighter Ariane 5 ES (retired in 2018) or Ariane 62 with Astris kick stage. Most likely that won't be available before 2026.

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But, hopefully you do agree that this is not the correct method to perform launches like this.
The F9 second stage for this launch was directly added to the catalog of permanent items of space debris, in MEO. The most dangerous items of space debris are the Zenit-2 second stages in SSO orbit, but those will decay in a couple hundred years. The F9 second stages from the Galileo launches will not decay over time.
There was a lot of outrage about the Long March 5B launches that left the CZ-5-500 core stage into leo for uncontrolled reentry. I think these Galileo launches also deserve objection.

I think this launch should have used a kick-stage (3th stage) to circularize the orbit from the ~200x23000 56deg parking orbit. This kick stage would become the item of space debris, and the F9 second stage could reenter after a reentry burn.
Now my questions is; does a launch like this allow the booster to be recovered?
And could this even allow 4 instead of 2 Galileo Gen1 satellites to be launch on a launch (1,5mT => 3mT payload mass to MEO) 
This launch could be performed with a stand (long nozzle Mvac) upper-stage instead of the long coasting version. Possibly even the stubby Mvac could suffice. 

From what I gather, the usage of expendable 1st stage was exactly because of additional power needed to lower the stage's orbit perigee for disposal after the mission, if not de-orbiting straight from MEO (less likely since I didn't find an air/marine space closure notice for this). If not I thought they can recover the booster via ASDS.
We will see where this ends up on USSF's data later.
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It is interesting to compare the statement of EUSPA with the statement of ESA about launch of EUCLID

https://twitter.com/ESA_Euclid/status/1675171388603105284

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But, hopefully you do agree that this is not the correct method to perform launches like this.
The F9 second stage for this launch was directly added to the catalog of permanent items of space debris, in MEO. The most dangerous items of space debris are the Zenit-2 second stages in SSO orbit, but those will decay in a couple hundred years. The F9 second stages from the Galileo launches will not decay over time.
There was a lot of outrage about the Long March 5B launches that left the CZ-5-500 core stage into leo for uncontrolled reentry. I think these Galileo launches also deserve objection.

I think this launch should have used a kick-stage (3th stage) to circularize the orbit from the ~200x23000 56deg parking orbit. This kick stage would become the item of space debris, and the F9 second stage could reenter after a reentry burn.
Now my questions is; does a launch like this allow the booster to be recovered?
And could this even allow 4 instead of 2 Galileo Gen1 satellites to be launch on a launch (1,5mT => 3mT payload mass to MEO) 
This launch could be performed with a stand (long nozzle Mvac) upper-stage instead of the long coasting version. Possibly even the stubby Mvac could suffice. 

From what I gather, the usage of expendable 1st stage was exactly because of additional power needed to lower the stage's orbit perigee for disposal after the mission, if not de-orbiting straight from MEO (less likely since I didn't find an air/marine space closure notice for this). If not I thought they can recover the booster via ASDS.
We will see where this ends up on USSF's data later.

It is possible that some fuel had to remain as ballast in the second stage anyway.
Otherwise the loads for the light payload would increase to over 5g, with the lowest engine throttle (40% thrust?).
This fuel could then be used for the deorbit.
But that's just a layman's assumption. Wait and see.

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The end of the webcast had some nice animation/stats

430 reused fairing so far

Thats pretty impressive $6 million a set, $1.3 billion saved (minus refurb/recovery costs)

Correction: 430 LANDED fairings.

They mentioned earlier in the webcast that this was the 200th mission with a reused fairing, so the total number of already reused fairings can't be over 400. (It's actually less because some early missions launched with only one reused fairing half.)

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I think this launch should have used a kick-stage (3th stage) to circularize the orbit from the ~200x23000 56deg parking orbit. This kick stage would become the item of space debris, and the F9 second stage could reenter after a reentry burn.

Why is a kick stage in parking orbit better than a F9 second stage in orbit?

Also will Ariane 6 leave a kick-stage in a parking orbit when it deploys future Galileo satellites?

And what would the Soyuz-ST have left behind if it had been used?

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There should be plenty of margin with F9 expendable.  A crude estimate goes like this.  They can skip 20 seconds of 3-engine entry burn, and 30 seconds of 1-engine landing burn.   That's 90 engine-seconds, so 10 more seconds of 9-engine thrust.  Acceleration at burnout is about 3Gs, so that's about 300 m/s.  So now instead of LEO+3848, you need LEO+3548.  That's about a C3 of 7.  This in turn gives a payload of slightly over 2500 kg.  Could potentially even be enough for 3 GPS satellites, but maybe a 3-satellite adapter is too heavy, or 3 satellites don't fit in the fairing.
This mission staged at 9998 km/hr, where the last StarLink mission staged at 7951 km/hr.  That's a difference of 571 m/s.  A lot of this, though, was due to the lighter rocket.  The payload was about 2 tonnes instead of 17, and there were no landing legs or grid fins (maybe 4? tonnes).  That alone is enough to increase the first stage delta-V by about 222 m/s.  The rest (about 349 m/s) is due to using the fuel normally saved for landing, and presumably better aerodynamics (no idea how much this contributes).

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