Author Topic: NSF SpaceX DM-2 Crew Demo Mission Booster 1058.1 Landing Bingo  (Read 43714 times)

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What is the most important milestone in SpaceX's history? The first company to privately reach orbit with a liquid fueled rocket? The first to launch cargo to the Space Station? The first to land an orbit class booster and then to launch it again? The first private heavylift in FH?  The first to start on a superheavy and interplanetary ship?

There are many to consider, but DM-2 the upcoming first crewed launch, is the grandest yet when SpaceX carries its most precious payload, US astronauts in a human rated spaceship if its own design! Its is a return to the business of humans spaceflight for the entire nation, long desired!

To celebrate the achievement of this long sought on many levels goal, ASDS Landing Bingo returns extra early giving days for everyone to play. Feel free to include a message of what this flight means to you, a note of support, or personal observation about this flight along with your pick. I know for a fact a lot of SpaceX'ers follow along with the bingo and they might like to see your thoughts on the momentous milestone that is DM-2!

So, once again the game is afoot! No shotgun start, the game is immediately open!

The game remains as played in prior iterations. If its not broke don't fix it. :)

 - CRS-8 ( http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39977.0 )
 - JCSAT-14 ( http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40219.0 )

Pick your square, one per player. Closest square to the center engine when it comes to a halt gets the prize!

This includes post landing walkabouts, or Octograbber nudges!

No prize for fireballs, debris, or damage on deck!

If it hits the ship, goes kaboom, punctures holes in the deck, falls over in transit, there is no winner.  Only a booster standing tall and triumphant as the ASDS sails into the harbor will generate a win!

Water squares are meaningless, except for "I told you so" bragging rights. If it falls in the sea, no winners.

This thread remains the official record of who chose what square when. For that reason any edited pick post is invalid.

Use Dan's scraper to see which spots have gone:

http://asds.dansdoorway.com

NOTE: There may sometimes be a slight delay of a few minutes at most between scraper updates, so check the last few posts before yours too, just to be sure. Scraper is operational as of this edit.  Thanks to DanielW for setting the scraper up, it helps a lot!

Judging is by me, Helodriver using imagery analysis of OCISLY sailing back into the harbor to help determine a winner. Rocketcams, helicopter or drone shots, and landing coverage will also be used, but where it sits at the time of unloading will be final.

Winner gets a one year EL TWO membership for free! If a current EL TWO member, you can donate it to another member or add it to your own term length.

The winner will also get a unique SpaceX artifact suitable for display or resale on Ebay to Bill Carton!  (the Roadie here on NSF)
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Good luck SpaceX, Good luck Bob, Doug, and Godspeed to DM-2! Good luck to NSF readers too!
« Last Edit: 05/23/2020 08:19 pm by Helodriver »

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Kilo 23, please.

Edit...grumble grumble hamster herder grumble  ;D

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Thanks for rekindling the flame, SpaceX!

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Andy pretty much lost his vote there as the scrapper works on the proper naming. Fair warning to others.

K-23

;D
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Andy pretty much lost his vote there as the scrapper works on the proper naming. Fair warning to others.

K-23

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Which booster has the most soot? SpaceX booster launch history! (discussion)

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do we have any graphics of all winning squares in SpaceX history? Is there a bias? Or a trend? (Other than the general narrowing of the distribution around center as they got more experience)

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Andy pretty much lost his vote there as the scrapper works on the proper naming. Fair warning to others.

K-23

;D

Says the guy who edited his pick post...

This thread remains the official record of who chose what square when. For that reason any edited pick post is invalid.
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Andy pretty much lost his vote there as the scrapper works on the proper naming. Fair warning to others.

K-23

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Says the guy who edited his pick post...

This thread remains the official record of who chose what square when. For that reason any edited pick post is invalid.
LOL, by quoting that post with the coordinate, you claimed the coordinate

Edit: which is weird. Cause Andy quoted it first and DIDn't get it after Chris forfeited. This is a scarper bug
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LOL, by quoting that post with the coordinate, you claimed the coordinate

Edit: which is weird. Cause Andy quoted it first and DIDn't get it after Chris forfeited. This is a scarper bug

I hope not, as picking two spaces probably gets me disqualified.

Edit: I don't think the scraper picks up on quotes as I still see Kilo-23 as open and Andy had to repost Kilo-24 for the scraper to grab it.
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Thoughts on the launch - very exciting in some ways, but I don't feel especially anxious about its success, because of the great history SpaceX already has launching to ISS and bringing material back again safely - they're 100% on returning Dragons from orbit. It's very good to see people launching from Florida again, for sure.

Maybe being simultaneously excited by Starship distracts from DM-2 a little? Anyway, it's all happening!
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Thoughts on the launch - very exciting in some ways, but I don't feel especially anxious about its success, because of the great history SpaceX already has launching to ISS and bringing material back again safely - they're 100% on returning Dragons from orbit. It's very good to see people launching from Florida again, for sure.

Maybe being simultaneously excited by Starship distracts from DM-2 a little? Anyway, it's all happening!

Good thoughts, at least someone read the game text too!  8)

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Thoughts on the launch - very exciting in some ways, but I don't feel especially anxious about its success, because of the great history SpaceX already has launching to ISS and bringing material back again safely - they're 100% on returning Dragons from orbit. It's very good to see people launching from Florida again, for sure.

Maybe being simultaneously excited by Starship distracts from DM-2 a little? Anyway, it's all happening!

Good thoughts, at least someone read the game text too!  8)

Agreed but ...
who takes time to read when the “gold rush” is on for the primo spots?
I got mine!
I will go back and read now.... :-[

But Crew Dragon is so cool. Just as we imagined.
« Last Edit: 05/24/2020 04:21 am by Comga »
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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Hey! 
I read ALL of the Original Post.
Helodriver wanted to know our reactions to DM-2, how it stacks up to SpaceX’s other great accomplishments.
Here’s mine:

DM-2 is going to be magnificent but the importance of landing orbital boosters is, to me, hard to overstate. Particularly when they carry reusable capsules or fairings. Bringing back the majority of the rocket is as important and essential as Musk said.
I don’t wish to take anything away from DM-2, which I have been anxiously awaiting in one form or another for almost a decade, but even Boeing can build and fly a crew capsule. Eventually. For $150M per ride.🙄



But Crew Dragon is cool, just like we imagined it could be.
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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Would the last person to get a square inside the yellow circle PLEASE read the first post in its entirety?
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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Would the last person to get a square inside the yellow circle PLEASE read the first post in its entirety?
You mean the part where we are supposed to go back and edit our posts to add our thoughts on DM-1?  ::)

Edit: No!  Not for real!
« Last Edit: 05/24/2020 08:40 pm by kdhilliard »

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I've been following HSF closely since the Columbia RTF, watching almost every Shuttle launch.  Got to see STS-125 in person from the NASA causeway, one of my favorite memories of growing up.  I've been watching almost every SpaceX launch since the second flight of Falcon 1, it's been so amazing to see how this company has grown from struggling to reach orbit to being a dominant player in the aerospace world and finally returning humans to orbit from American soil! 
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Since the first post asks for it (and I will surely not edit my original post) What's the meaning of life, universe and most peculiarly this DM-2 launch ?

I think SpaceX doesn't need words of support right now. They know best whats at stake, for the Astronauts, for NASA, for the United States, for Mankind, and especially for SpaceX. DM-2 if it goes flawless rings in a new era of spaceflight.

Yes, it's a test mission under tight NASA supervision, with NASA test pilots, but it's SpaceX spacecraft that's getting tested. NASA is "only a customer" -- if this goes well, SpaceX has a private man-rated space vehicle at their own disposal and at their own discretion.

They could as well fly a manned mission on their own, for any customer - even before Commercial Crew 1 launches - if they really wanted.

That theoretical and hypothetical and most certainly won't happen. NASA has more or less made sure of that with the planned timing of DM-2 reentry with just barely enough time to finish the qualification paperwork and data reviews for Crew1 - but it doesn't really matter. SpaceX will, after all, be very happy to have NASA as their ongoing prime customer.

But nevertheless, from May 27 (more likely 30 (edit: actually looks better now :) ), considering the weather report) the world will have 3 entities with a man rated space vehicle:

- China (for the very very brave -- Chinese Taikonauts only)

- Russia ( old but robust and reliable -- but will fly for money -- lots of money *spoken with Russian accent* )

- SpaceX ( the future -- book your ticket to space on-line now! )

This will change. In a year or so, Boeing will add their own vehicle to the list, and China is working on an upgraded capsule, and even India is afaik still working on a manned space program. And at some point NASA will once again join the club with the Artemis maiden flight, too.

In a way paying SpaceX for seats is not that different from paying Rokosmos for seats. NASA get's more insight, and pays less, and it's more patriotically appropriate to fly with a local provider. But its still SpaceX who's flying.

Commercial spaceflight is around for a long time. But sending people up there and bringing them back down savely. This is what really counts.

And I'm pretty sure, every single SpaceX employees knows that and is so super hyped for that launch right now, they don't really need words of support or encouragement. They are on a roll right now. And boy will they be on a roll if..., no..., once this launch succeeds.

Once that launch is in the bag, SpaceX will be the undisputed world leader in spaceflight.  No one - in their right mind - would doubt Mars or SpaceX anymore. There will be setbacks, as always, but they will be overcome. ... I'd like to say overrun ...SpaceX style.

So, yeah. Once DM-2 succeeds, all eyes will turn to Boca Chica. Starship is the new Apollo, and Crew Dragon is its Gemini.

Yes, there's Artemis, and Artemis is a nice (but expensive) hommage to the past. And it will make some Senators happy if it succeeds.

But SpaceX is the future, and the future is SpaceX.

On May 27 (well, more likely 30 hopefully)  the world will see the future become now.
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and reread instructions and saw missed that edited post invalid  :o created new post same choice, hope scraper picks up (now on page 8 instead of six, but didn't see anyone else choosing this)

edited couple times, was q28 or q 28 and seemed almost all used - so copied that. scraper was showing, them checked later and my msg is currently last and refresh of scaper and other browsers don't show my choice anymore??
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edited couple times, was q28 or q 28 and seemed almost all used - so copied that. scraper was showing, them checked later and my msg is currently last and refresh of scaper and other browsers don't show my choice anymore??

you know, if you "edit" - you forfeit. No editing of posts is allowed. If the scraper doesn't pick it up for syntax reasons, just make a second post. If you edit, the scraper discards it.

try again ;)

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gotta read the small print (edits invalidate post?  :o missed that first time, otherwise i'd have done new post within couple minutes) hope picking same choice as i did first time doesn't confuse things too much

The scraper says that you have failed three times finally managed to pick that spot.
Now go back to the original post, really read it, and leave your impression of DM-2 in a second new post. ;D
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Off center to wrong direction. Lets hope bit of rough seas and booster walking around a bit before securing or I won't win...  :P

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Off center to wrong direction. Lets hope bit of rough seas and booster walking around a bit before securing or I won't win...  :P

Are you implying that the SpX recovery team check Landing Bingo before securing the stage?!??  "Left a bit.. forward.. yep that's the square I need right there!"  :P

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Hrmmm, looks like my pick is pretty close - if the criteria is where the pad of the left leg sits. :)

Out of fairness and to avoid cheating, I suggest that either Octograbber not be allowed to participate in future landing bingos, or that the initial landing point be used. :)

My sincere thanks to Helodriver and NSF for this landing bingo, on this very historic flight.

 

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Hrmmm, looks like my pick is pretty close - if the criteria is where the pad of the left leg sits. :)

Out of fairness and to avoid cheating, I suggest that either Octograbber not be allowed to participate in future landing bingos, or that the initial landing point be used. :)

My sincere thanks to Helodriver and NSF for this landing bingo, on this very historic flight.
Its a shame Musk companies are known to be good with software. If this was a Boeing project it might be worth trying to hack Octograbber's controls, and drive it and F9 to the correct "landing" coordinates .... on second thoughts that might result in opposite movements until the propellant batteries were dangerously expended!
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Even if it's a fixed game, there is still a certain level of randomness. Because there's two competing forces at work.

1. The individual who setup Falcon9 Stage 1 landing guidance and control tables.

2. The individual who setup the drone-ship which exact coordinates to hold.

So, with a simple algorithm, if you know which square each of them took (and under which pseudonyme) you know which square the rocket will actually land on.







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I agree it's getting far too predictable ( Hitting the bullseye with every launch.) Let's make it more difficult.
On the the next one you have to chose 5 spots and predict the rocket center and the leg locations.
Of course you can only predict 3 leg locations if you specify the falcon will be leaning. ;)

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I agree it's getting far too predictable ( Hitting the bullseye with every launch.) Let's make it more difficult.
On the the next one you have to chose 5 spots and predict the rocket center and the leg locations.
Of course you can only predict 3 leg locations if you specify the falcon will be leaning. ;)

Overly complicated. If you assume intact landing, you only need 2 points to fix down 2d translation and rotation. So center + leg number one
leg number 2-4 follow from that. Even if it goes so squat that the leg-diameter increases to the point it reaches different squares , those 2 points cover that, you get x coordinate, y coordinate, rotation angle and leg diameter.

How do we number the legs though. A good reference point is the racetrack on the side of the rocket. Clockwise or counter clockwise?

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As always, helodriver gets the final say, but I'm thinking anything in the vicinity of K25 looks to be in the running.
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I agree it's getting far too predictable ( Hitting the bullseye with every launch.) Let's make it more difficult.
On the the next one you have to chose 5 spots and predict the rocket center and the leg locations.
Of course you can only predict 3 leg locations if you specify the falcon will be leaning. ;)

Overly complicated. If you assume intact landing, you only need 2 points to fix down 2d translation and rotation. So center + leg number one
leg number 2-4 follow from that. Even if it goes so squat that the leg-diameter increases to the point it reaches different squares , those 2 points cover that, you get x coordinate, y coordinate, rotation angle and leg diameter.

How do we number the legs though. A good reference point is the racetrack on the side of the rocket. Clockwise or counter clockwise?

Do we have a plot of winning squares? We should be able to calculate the odds of each square and increase the payout proportionally.

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Octograbber covers like 16 squares but my submission of J-27 appears to be in there.

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The Worm Has Returned!

Sailing in tall and proud aboard OCISLY, B1058.1 bearing the iconic NASA Worm logo, The arrival the successful return of NASA Crew Launch and the successful first flight of this brand new Block V booster.

As befitting a mission of such importance and profile, many onlookers and space photographers met the fleet, providing a plethora of high quality video and images from multiple angles making bingo judging a simpler process this time.

Helicopter shots taken by Ben Cooper and John Kraus were coupled with sea level shots by Julia Bergeron, Chris Gebhardt and Stephen Marr for triangulation with known ASDS features. The on board ASDS corner camera was also of great help, with the position I initially determined from a video screencap immediately after landing being exactly the square confirmed by the port arrival pix.

Combining these various images allowed determination of positional and rotational orientation of B1058.1 to a high degree of accuracy. So without further ado, K-25 is the winning spot chosen by mdspacefan!

K-25 please

Congratulations mdspacefan on your victory! Prizes will be on the way!
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As always, helodriver gets the final say, but I'm thinking anything in the vicinity of K25 looks to be in the running.
Brass ring for @pb2000 who correctly predicted/called the winning square after landing :)

Congratulations to the winner @mdspacefan, and well - to all of us, because we're all winners on this one.  Way to go SpaceX and NASA!

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As always, helodriver gets the final say, but I'm thinking anything in the vicinity of K25 looks to be in the running.
Brass ring for @pb2000 who correctly predicted/called the winning square after landing :)

Congratulations to the winner @mdspacefan, and well - to all of us, because we're all winners on this one.  Way to go SpaceX and NASA!

Sure it wasn’t L-25??
It was on the line coach!
Oh well 😁 congrats to mdspacefan from your grid-board neighbor!!
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As always, helodriver gets the final say, but I'm thinking anything in the vicinity of K25 looks to be in the running.
Brass ring for @pb2000 who correctly predicted/called the winning square after landing :)

Congratulations to the winner @mdspacefan, and well - to all of us, because we're all winners on this one.  Way to go SpaceX and NASA!

Sure it wasn’t L-25??
It was on the line coach!
Oh well 😁 congrats to mdspacefan from your grid-board neighbor!!
Nah, if anything it was closer to J-25... maybe need a recount? :D
Congrats to mdspacefan!

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