Author Topic: Starlink : Regulatory Filings outside the United States  (Read 60821 times)

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings in Other Countries
« Reply #20 on: 06/28/2020 03:31 pm »
Cabinet gets the final say whether Spacex gets licenses that make Telesat's proposed system less viable. (Despite the CRTC being "independent")

What is the formal method that the government would use to interfere?  Wouldn't the overwhelmingly supportive inverventions make that unlikely at the CRTC?

I remember seeing the government interfering by slowing permission for ground stations (through ISED), but SpaceX could probably get by with using US ground stations for a while.

What entity in Canada licenses the user terminals?  ISED?
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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings in Other Countries
« Reply #21 on: 07/08/2020 03:11 pm »
There wouldn't be any "formal" method, because that would fly in the face of the independent nature of the CRTC and we couldn't have that, could we.
No, it would be more along the lines of what you suggested. ISED does license telecom equipment and yes, the government could drag its heels on that.
Quebec is always the fly in the ointment and if Videotron made enough of a stink inside the Cabinet (not publicly of course) then I'm sure Trudeau et al would work their magic (?) and make things difficult for Starlink in that province, which would probably be one of the largest chunks of potential business.
I would be shocked if this gets through easily.


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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings in Other Countries
« Reply #22 on: 07/29/2020 03:52 pm »
SpaceX July 20 letter to the Canadian regulators CRTC...

Quote from: Patricia Cooper
Dear Mr. Tousignant:

Thank you for your letter of 2 July 2020 offering SpaceX the opportunity to comment on the public interventions submitting in response to its application for a BITS license, as cited above.  SpaceX was pleased to see that more than 2,000 Canadian citizens weighed in to support licensing Starlink, our satellite broadband service.  Many of the comments noted the urgency of additional broadband options for consumers and locations that either have limited broadband choice now or no connectivity whatsoever.  This outpouring of support is particularly gratifying, in that it reflects the objectives of the Starlink project.

Seven commenters referenced concern at the visibility of Starlink satellites and the effect they might have on optical astronomy. As a space company itself, SpaceX has taken such concerns seriously, and has committed to lessening the visibility of its satellites so that they do not impede optical observations and are not visible to those enjoying the night skies.  SpaceX has worked for the past year alongside astronomers around the world to assess the visibility of Starlink satellites and their impact on ground-based astronomy.  To reduce visibility once the satellites reach operational orbital, SpaceX flew a darkened test satellite in January 2020, and a subsequent test shade in May 2020, achieving notable dimming.  Every satellite on SpaceX’s upcoming launch will feature these novel shades, designed specifically to reduce visibility. To mitigate reflectivity before the satellites reach their operational orbit, SpaceX adjusted the satellites’ orientation during orbit-raise so that they are less visible to the unaided eye within a week after launch.  SpaceX has also taken additional steps to aid astronomers, such as sharing location information of its satellites with astronomers, to inform scheduling sensitive observations. 

Detailed information on SpaceX’s work with astronomers and mitigation techniques can be found online at https://www.spacex.com/updates/starlink-update-04-28-2020/.


SpaceX thanks CRTC for the public forum its application process creates and for the opportunity to share its appreciation for the support for Starlink that so many Canadians have voiced.  SpaceX stands ready to responds to any further questions CRTC may have.
https://services.crtc.gc.ca/pub/ListeInterventionList/Documents.aspx?ID=295668&en=2020-0279-9&dt=r&lang=e&S=C&PA=T&PT=BITS&PST=A

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings in Other Countries
« Reply #23 on: 09/12/2020 04:20 am »
Weird, SpaceX has another application for BITS licence, already approved:

https://twitter.com/bramabramson/status/1303749618732355584

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Meanwhile, in a coda to this dusty footnote of regulatory arcania, the @SpaceXStarlink family had a whole other Canada BITS licence all along, it only took a name change from TIBRO Canada to SpaceX Canada to show it.

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings in Other Countries
« Reply #24 on: 09/12/2020 04:27 am »
TIBRO <-> ORBIT
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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings in Other Countries
« Reply #25 on: 09/12/2020 04:12 pm »
Weird, SpaceX has another application for BITS licence, already approved:

https://twitter.com/bramabramson/status/1303749618732355584

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Meanwhile, in a coda to this dusty footnote of regulatory arcania, the @SpaceXStarlink family had a whole other Canada BITS licence all along, it only took a name change from TIBRO Canada to SpaceX Canada to show it.

I ran across the TIBRO name in another context recently but didn't think to check for it in the lists of licensed satellite systems

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings in Other Countries
« Reply #26 on: 09/12/2020 05:22 pm »
I'm not sure what that BITS license for TIBRO covers.  The SpaceX satellite network is still not listed as approved.  I guess TIBRO/SpaceX Canada is the entity that would sell the service in Canada once the satellite communications are approved.  I haven't run across another country yet that gives as much info online as the FCC.
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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings in Other Countries
« Reply #27 on: 09/13/2020 02:32 pm »
OK, I have something for you..

TIBRO Netherlands B.V. Burgermeester Stramanweg 122 . 1101EN Amsterdam Niederlande
Reg-Nr. 19/182
has a licence in Germany as a communication servive (https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen_Institutionen/Anbieterpflichten/Meldepflicht/TKDiensteanbieterPDF.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=98)

The address above is the location of Tesla, Netherlands (https://www.tesla.com/en_EU/contact)

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings in Other Countries
« Reply #28 on: 09/13/2020 03:41 pm »
There is a UK branch too.

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« Reply #29 on: 09/14/2020 07:56 am »
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« Reply #30 on: 09/14/2020 01:15 pm »
There is a UK branch too.
Are you meaning this company?

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/BR021265

Yes, I ran across the US, Netherlands, UK references a couple weeks ago.  Didn't see the one in Canada at the time.

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings in Other Countries
« Reply #31 on: 09/14/2020 01:23 pm »
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2020G00650

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AUSTRALIAN COMMUNICATIONS AND MEDIA AUTHORITY

Telecommunications Act 1997
Subsection 56(1)

CARRIER LICENCE

I, Dominic Byrne, delegate of the Australian Communications and Media Authority, acting under subsection 56(1) of the Telecommunications Act 1997, grant a carrier licence to TIBRO Australia Pty Ltd (ABN 68 636 841 533).

Note:         See Division 3 of Part 3 of the Telecommunications Act 1997 which provides for the conditions of a carrier licence and contains other provisions relating to those conditions.  The Telecommunications Act 1997 is registered on the Federal Register of Legislation which may be accessed at www.legislation.gov.au.

Dated: 7 August 2020

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings in Other Countries
« Reply #32 on: 09/20/2020 09:08 am »
There is a UK branch too.

Also a Norewgian branch, but a different name.

In Norway the company name in use appears to be "Steam Systems AS"

https://e24.no/naeringsliv/i/naVnqn/spacex-tar-over-norske-steam-systems

Formed in 2014 by a law firm (Schjødt) this was believed to be on behalf of SpaceX though this was not confirmed until 2018 when there was a change of ownership to SpaceX Services.

In 2019 a new board member (Michael James Sylvester) was added which is a (probable) match to "Sylvester, Michael" of "Space Exploration Technologies Corp." in Hawthorne

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings in Other Countries
« Reply #33 on: 09/20/2020 12:49 pm »
There is a UK branch too.

Also a Norewgian branch, but a different name.

In Norway the company name in use appears to be "Steam Systems AS"

https://e24.no/naeringsliv/i/naVnqn/spacex-tar-over-norske-steam-systems

Formed in 2014 by a law firm (Schjødt) this was believed to be on behalf of SpaceX though this was not confirmed until 2018 when there was a change of ownership to SpaceX Services.

In 2019 a new board member (Michael James Sylvester) was added which is a (probable) match to "Sylvester, Michael" of "Space Exploration Technologies Corp." in Hawthorne

Bernard

That should be the company that did the initial ITU filings for the constellation.

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings in Other Countries
« Reply #34 on: 09/24/2020 04:23 am »
Northern towns push to approve Elon Musk's Starlink satellite internet project

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The Federation of Northern Ontario Municipalities (FONOM) believe Elon Musk's Starlink satellite internet program is the long-awaited solution to the region's internet coverage issues.

As the group discussed at its recent meeting in Hearst, the program hopes to do away with the decades-long efforts and billions of dollars needed to build internet infrastructure on the ground.

FONOM's vice-president, Paul Schoppmann, said the only roadblock is approval from the Canadian Radio-Television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC).

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Schoppmann said bringing Starlink to Canada would be of zero cost to the federal government, with the company apparently asking for no financial support. He said that makes this an easy decision.

"We're sending the resolution to our MPs, MPPs and the CRTC [...] saying, 'We represent 110 municipalities in the northeast," said Schoppmann, who is also mayor of the Municipality of St. Charles, southeast of Sudbury.

"We are asking for this but let's get it going, let's not wait two to five years."

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings in Other Countries
« Reply #35 on: 10/05/2020 03:21 am »
Found by reddit, note James Cumming is Canadian shadow minister of Innovation, Science and Industry:

https://twitter.com/jameskcumming/status/1311766703035031554

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That was a weird way to totally not answer my question...

Someone tell Minister Bains to dm me his answer: what's the hold up on giving @SpaceX their license to allow #StarLink to provide internet to rural Canadians?

#ConnectCanada
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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings in Other Countries
« Reply #36 on: 10/05/2020 03:35 am »
Found by reddit: IFT y SpaceX discuten proyecto de red satelital

Google translated:

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IFT and SpaceX discuss satellite network project

The Federal Institute of Telecommunications (IFT) held a meeting with representatives of SpaceX, the aerospace technology company owned by Elon Musk, to discuss the Starlink project, which consists of the deployment of a satellite network to offer high-speed broadband internet speed on a global scale.

At this meeting held on September 10, the issue of regulatory provisions on satellite communication, necessary for the operation of the Space X satellite constellation in the country, was also addressed.

edit/gongora:  trimmed quote.  Do not post the entire text of articles.  That rule even applies for articles not written in English.

Note IFT is Mexico's telecom regulatory agency.
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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings in Other Countries
« Reply #37 on: 10/12/2020 03:13 am »
Starlink New Zealand found by reddit: https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/7744177

reddit also found out that TIBRO Australia changed its name to Starlink Australia a few days ago: https://abr.business.gov.au/AbnHistory/View?id=68636841533

4 Australia gateway locations: https://twitter.com/VedaPrime/status/1315036615304048640

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings in Other Countries
« Reply #38 on: 10/12/2020 03:30 am »
u/softwaresaur found SpaceX filing to Japanese Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications (written in Japanese of course), his summary on reddit:

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* Filed in April 2020
* Local subsidiary TIBRO Japan GK
* Cooperating with KDDI, a major Japanese telecom company
* Peak transmission rates of a Starlink terminal with a phased array antenna: 350 Mbps down, 130 Mbps up.
* Antenna size: 48 cm (19 inches; p.19) or 55 cm (21.7 inches; p.4). The latter is bigger than what SpaceX filed with the FCC in 2019 and mentioned in an interview with the VP of Starlink, 48 cm. Confusing inconsistency.
* Use cases on page 3: remote locations, disaster relief, mobile backhaul, aircrafts, marine, remote IoT.

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« Reply #39 on: 10/12/2020 04:18 am »
4 Australia gateway locations: https://twitter.com/VedaPrime/status/1315036615304048640

https://web.acma.gov.au/rrl/register_search.main_page
Wagin, WA, AU  -33.308268°,117.343372°
Boorowa, NSW, AU  -34.462093°,148.705734°
Broken Hill, NSW, AU  -31.998258°,141.441058°
Pimba, SA, AU     -31.250747°,136.801335°

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