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Offline aj834

Undergrad Aerospace
« on: 05/20/2020 09:05 am »
Hey, I'm an upcoming senior in High School and I'm looking into eventually getting employed within the aerospace industry. Been looking for a while for universities with aerospace majors & mechanical majors with an aerospace concentration, and I've come up with a pretty good list I hope, but with no one to really ask about this to who is an engineer... and I'm feeling kinda lost. I have looked into CalPoly, Embry-Riddle, UAH, Purdue, Michigan, and a couple others, but I mostly don't know what to really look for in a program. I hope y'all can help me a bit with this. Thanks!

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Re: Undergrad Aerospace
« Reply #1 on: 05/21/2020 11:28 am »
IMHO, look for a program that has a lot of hands-on/practical application, a program where the professors try to tie in the classroom instruction into real-world problems because they expect their students to go out into industry after graduation.  A few examples:
- I know of one AE structures professor at Kansas who has his students design a simple wing, analyze its strength, and then build it and test it.
- Friends from ERAU designed, built, flew, and tested large R/C models
- Delft (in Europe) apparently designs and builds full-scale aircraft every few years

I say this because the AE program I went through was not like this.  It was heavily academic-oriented and basically set up with the assumption and expectation that you were going to go to grad school and be a researcher.  I was poorly prepared and deficient in some areas (vibrations/controls and structural analysis) and what education I did get in those areas was not along the “standard” lines of what you’d expect from an aero engineer.  Instead it tended to follow the professor’s own pet projects and favorite topics.  Any concern expressed about this was dismissed as “that’s what co-ops are for” (see below). 


Another thing to look for is a good co-op program; you want a school that is supportive of co-ops.  Co-ops are like internships, but instead of just working somewhere for one summer, you keep going back to the same place every other semester/quarter.  Usually you become eligible after about 3-4 semesters and will do 3-5 work rotations (note: there’s no “summer off” during this—you will work or go to school during summer semesters and it will take you longer to graduate, but IT’S WORTH IT).  I strongly recommend a co-op if at all possible.  Not only does it provide some income, but it’s real-world work experience and it will be extremely valuable come graduation when you start looking for jobs.  My co-op experience translated into a full-time offer, and I’m still here.

Also, finding a “good school” is important, but if you have a halfway decent school with an ME or AE program in state (or somewhere you can qualify for in state tuition OR a really good scholarship) I’d strongly consider it.  Which school you went to, and even your grades, won’t matter much a few years after you graduate, but student loans (if you use them) will probably stay with you a long, long time.  IMHO it’s better to go to the decent in-state school and come out with relatively little debt, than to go to the “best” school and come out with a small mortgage’s worth of debt. 

In fact, I’d even consider knocking out your first year or two of basic classes at a local state college, and then transferring to the “big” school.  You may miss some of the “campus experience” that way, but it can save you a lot of money and be a better transition for a lot of people.  And don’t feel embarrassed if you take a year or two to work and save up before going to college.  Honestly I think it would solve a lot of problems if everyone had to do that, but I digress...

Last, what’s driving you to want to work in aerospace?  There’s a reason I’m asking...

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Re: Undergrad Aerospace
« Reply #2 on: 05/21/2020 11:02 pm »
Similar to the other reply, what is your reason for pursuing aerospace?
For me, I knew I wanted to work in aerospace, and during my freshman year of college I decided that between where I wanted to live, and the options available to me to work on during undergrad that I wanted to pursue the space side of aerospace. Some schools have better programs for astronautics (space) and some for aeronautics (aircraft). Most schools will offer both as aerospace concentrations.
If you are looking at schools for space, schools with cubesat programs or rocketry clubs are a good thing to look for. For aircraft, look for an AIAA chapter and/or design-build-fly teams.

Co-ops or internships are the best way to start into industry. In my experience, working on projects outside of your classes is the best way to get internships or co-ops, and the work experience often leads to a full-time offer. Some companies will have "preferred" schools to recruit from, but that's pretty much just the schools the companies put in the effort to attend the career fairs of.

I also agree that it's not worth over-paying for undergrad. The core classes will be similar everywhere (yes, some will be better than others) but the differentiating factor is what you can do outside of classes.


For a disclaimer: I graduated from undergrad one year ago (Aerospace Engineering: Astronautics concentration) and am working at ULA as a thermal analyst. (The views above are my own and I do not speak for ULA)

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Re: Undergrad Aerospace
« Reply #3 on: 05/22/2020 04:00 pm »
You can get a good education with a bright future from all the schools on your list.  If you have narrowed down your career goals in aerospace then you will want to focus on the schools that have the best programs that fit your goals.  There is another school that is really good in aerospace that I didn't see on your list and that's the Air Force Academy.  That takes a different kind of commitment, but if it fits you and you nqualify, it's free.

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Re: Undergrad Aerospace
« Reply #4 on: 05/25/2020 04:53 pm »
IMHO, look for a program that has a lot of hands-on/practical application, a program where the professors try to tie in the classroom instruction into real-world problems because they expect their students to go out into industry after graduation.  A few examples:
- I know of one AE structures professor at Kansas who has his students design a simple wing, analyze its strength, and then build it and test it.
- Friends from ERAU designed, built, flew, and tested large R/C models
- Delft (in Europe) apparently designs and builds full-scale aircraft every few years

I say this because the AE program I went through was not like this.  It was heavily academic-oriented and basically set up with the assumption and expectation that you were going to go to grad school and be a researcher.  I was poorly prepared and deficient in some areas (vibrations/controls and structural analysis) and what education I did get in those areas was not along the “standard” lines of what you’d expect from an aero engineer.  Instead it tended to follow the professor’s own pet projects and favorite topics.  Any concern expressed about this was dismissed as “that’s what co-ops are for” (see below). 


Another thing to look for is a good co-op program; you want a school that is supportive of co-ops.  Co-ops are like internships, but instead of just working somewhere for one summer, you keep going back to the same place every other semester/quarter.  Usually you become eligible after about 3-4 semesters and will do 3-5 work rotations (note: there’s no “summer off” during this—you will work or go to school during summer semesters and it will take you longer to graduate, but IT’S WORTH IT).  I strongly recommend a co-op if at all possible.  Not only does it provide some income, but it’s real-world work experience and it will be extremely valuable come graduation when you start looking for jobs.  My co-op experience translated into a full-time offer, and I’m still here.

Also, finding a “good school” is important, but if you have a halfway decent school with an ME or AE program in state (or somewhere you can qualify for in state tuition OR a really good scholarship) I’d strongly consider it.  Which school you went to, and even your grades, won’t matter much a few years after you graduate, but student loans (if you use them) will probably stay with you a long, long time.  IMHO it’s better to go to the decent in-state school and come out with relatively little debt, than to go to the “best” school and come out with a small mortgage’s worth of debt. 

In fact, I’d even consider knocking out your first year or two of basic classes at a local state college, and then transferring to the “big” school.  You may miss some of the “campus experience” that way, but it can save you a lot of money and be a better transition for a lot of people.  And don’t feel embarrassed if you take a year or two to work and save up before going to college.  Honestly I think it would solve a lot of problems if everyone had to do that, but I digress...

Last, what’s driving you to want to work in aerospace?  There’s a reason I’m asking...
Thank you for this man, it's really helpful to me. The reason I want to work in aerospace is based on a long-standing interest and fascination of mine in rockets, space, and engineering. It's the stereotypical story of a kid that wanted to be an astronaut but never really grew out of it. Never really been interested in research, always been more interested in the application.

I've heard the thing about taking courses at my local state college many times before, but where I live, the state college is highly competitive so I may as well apply out of state since I have better odds.

Also heard about the co-op thing and that is something I see as something that would be very beneficial to me, so I'm asking the colleges I don't know if they do that about it. Same with the rocket clubs and cubesat programs the guy under you said, I'm really looking at colleges and universities that have all these things.

Again, thank you both, this is being really helpful.

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