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Doug Loverro has left NASA
« on: 05/19/2020 07:31 pm »
twitter.com/wapodavenport/status/1262827196504301574

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Wow hearing reports that Doug Loverro is out at NASA. More TK...

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1262827496032083968

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I have heard the same.
« Last Edit: 05/19/2020 07:59 pm by FutureSpaceTourist »

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Re: Doug Loverro has left NASA
« Reply #1 on: 05/19/2020 07:35 pm »
Whatís the context of this? In what way was he controversial or whatever that everyone seems to think itís notable and/or suspicious or whatever?

I forget sometimes the details of palace intrigue. Itíd be nice if someone made it explicit instead of winking or side-looking on Twitter. Use words, people...
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Re: Doug Loverro has left NASA
« Reply #2 on: 05/19/2020 07:39 pm »
Ah, this could be it. I guess the implication could be (if you let me speculate wildly) that he wasnít going to approve crew launch (because of some concern or another). https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1262829545281015809?s=20

Wild speculation, but thatís why people might be winking on Twitter.


EDIT or this: https://mobile.twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1262828353817583619
« Last Edit: 05/19/2020 07:42 pm by Robotbeat »
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Re: Doug Loverro has left NASA
« Reply #3 on: 05/19/2020 07:40 pm »
Whatís the context of this? In what way was he controversial or whatever that everyone seems to think itís notable and/or suspicious or whatever?

Maybe he maintained that this whole idea of landing on the moon in 2024 has a snowball's chance in hell of happening and the Administrator found his Lack of Faith Disturbing? (TM)

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Re: Doug Loverro has left NASA
« Reply #4 on: 05/19/2020 07:43 pm »
Assuming this is true (Keith usually has good NASA sources) then can only be Bridenstine pushing him out:

https://twitter.com/nasawatch/status/1262828938180657157

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NASA HEOMD AA @DouglasLoverro was asked to resign and he has agreed to do so. Details to follow.
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Re: Doug Loverro has left NASA
« Reply #5 on: 05/19/2020 07:44 pm »
What’s the context of this? In what way was he controversial or whatever that everyone seems to think it’s notable and/or suspicious or whatever?

Maybe he maintained that this whole idea of landing on the moon in 2024 has a snowball's chance in hell of happening and the Administrator found his Lack of Faith Disturbing? (TM)
I doubt it. Everyone in NASA knows 2024 is not realistic, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t shoot for it anyway.

Could it be because of the non-selection of Boeing for HLS? Old guard national security space person skeptical of commercial approach?
« Last Edit: 05/19/2020 07:51 pm by Robotbeat »
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Re: Doug Loverro has left NASA
« Reply #6 on: 05/19/2020 07:46 pm »
https://twitter.com/joroulette/status/1262831023970308098

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Also hearing this, and that Ken Bowersox will replace Loverro as acting HEO AA.

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Re: Doug Loverro has left NASA
« Reply #7 on: 05/19/2020 07:49 pm »
NASA wide email is out now indicating he resigned

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Re: Doug Loverro has left NASA
« Reply #8 on: 05/19/2020 07:52 pm »
Loverroís profile was raised in 2018 when he wrote an op ed supporting the establishment of a Space Force.
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Re: Doug Loverro has left NASA
« Reply #9 on: 05/19/2020 07:53 pm »
« Last Edit: 05/19/2020 07:53 pm by FutureSpaceTourist »

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Re: Doug Loverro has left NASA
« Reply #10 on: 05/19/2020 07:59 pm »
Whatís the context of this? In what way was he controversial or whatever that everyone seems to think itís notable and/or suspicious or whatever?

Maybe he maintained that this whole idea of landing on the moon in 2024 has a snowball's chance in hell of happening and the Administrator found his Lack of Faith Disturbing? (TM)
I doubt it. Everyone in NASA knows 2024 is not realistic, but that doesnít mean you shouldnít shoot for it anyway.

Could it be because of the non-selection of Boeing for HLS? Old guard national security space person skeptical of commercial approach?

I really hope that isn't whats happening. The HLS selection was brilliant.

His (at least temporary) replacement Ken Bowersox was the signing authority on Gateway Cargo and Logistics that picked SpaceX while also being highly critical of Boeing.
« Last Edit: 05/19/2020 07:59 pm by FutureSpaceTourist »

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Re: Doug Loverro has left NASA
« Reply #11 on: 05/19/2020 07:59 pm »
I can't imagine what would be bad enough to justify firing the director of HSF a week before DM-2?!

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Re: Doug Loverro has left NASA
« Reply #12 on: 05/19/2020 08:01 pm »
It could be completely unrelated to anything mentioned.

I suppose, though, it could be similar to what was speculated for Bowersox? Not fast enough, like ugordon supposes?

I mean, it could be because he opposed Boeing’s selection (as far as I can tell as equally likely as that he supported Boeing).

I have no idea. Wish him all the best.
« Last Edit: 05/19/2020 08:12 pm by Robotbeat »
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Re: Doug Loverro has left NASA
« Reply #13 on: 05/19/2020 08:08 pm »
The rumors will be flying.  Hopefully we'll be told the real reason and hopefully it is nothing nefarious.

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Re: Doug Loverro has left NASA
« Reply #14 on: 05/19/2020 08:12 pm »
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The risks we take, whether technical, political, or personal, all have potential consequences if we judge them incorrectly.  I took such a risk earlier in the year because I judged it necessary to fulfill our mission.  Now, over the balance of time, it is clear that I made a mistake in that choice for which I alone must bear the consequences.

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My leaving is because of my personal actions, not anything we have accomplished together.

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Re: Doug Loverro has left NASA
« Reply #15 on: 05/19/2020 08:17 pm »
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The risks we take, whether technical, political, or personal, all have potential consequences if we judge them incorrectly.  I took such a risk earlier in the year because I judged it necessary to fulfill our mission.  Now, over the balance of time, it is clear that I made a mistake in that choice for which I alone must bear the consequences.

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My leaving is because of my personal actions, not anything we have accomplished together.
This reason sounds unrelated to anything mentioned so far in this thread.
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Re: Doug Loverro has left NASA
« Reply #16 on: 05/19/2020 08:21 pm »
https://twitter.com/nasawatch/status/1262832444358754304

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Well @VP Pence told @JimBridenstine and @NASA to land on the Moon by 2024 "By any means necessary". So @DouglasLoverro did and the powers that be got nervous. So he is gone. So much for the whole #Artemis #Moon2024 thing. #NASA no longer takes risks. #DinosaursDontExplore

https://twitter.com/nasawatch/status/1262839508602630144

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Looks like @NASA Inspector General & the Office of General Counsel at #NASA HQ had issues with how the HLS procurement went - even though everyone at @NASA HEOMD knew exactly how it was happening for months. So, of course, there needs to be a designated scapegoat #ArtemisIsToast

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Re: Doug Loverro has left NASA
« Reply #17 on: 05/19/2020 08:31 pm »
https://twitter.com/nasawatch/status/1262832444358754304

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Well @VP Pence told @JimBridenstine and @NASA to land on the Moon by 2024 "By any means necessary". So @DouglasLoverro did and the powers that be got nervous. So he is gone. So much for the whole #Artemis #Moon2024 thing. #NASA no longer takes risks. #DinosaursDontExplore

https://twitter.com/nasawatch/status/1262839508602630144

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Looks like @NASA Inspector General & the Office of General Counsel at #NASA HQ had issues with how the HLS procurement went - even though everyone at @NASA HEOMD knew exactly how it was happening for months. So, of course, there needs to be a designated scapegoat #ArtemisIsToast
Something to do with how the requirements for the lander were changed to be allow for different architectures?

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Re: Doug Loverro has left NASA
« Reply #18 on: 05/19/2020 08:43 pm »
 I think I will relax tonight by watching "Boeing Boeing" with Tony Curtis, Jerry Lewis and all those fabulous stewardesses! ;)

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Re: Doug Loverro has left NASA
« Reply #19 on: 05/19/2020 08:59 pm »
Could this be fallout from the Starliner demo-1 failure? The risk being go-fever on an test vehicle that showed it wasn't ready for flight?

Edit: Quote below in Washington Post article saying it is not about Commercial Crew.
« Last Edit: 05/19/2020 09:48 pm by rockets4life97 »

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