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Offline Phil Stooke

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According to Jeff Foust:
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Note that the slip from September is primarily due to other ISS missions, including a Soyuz in mid-October as well as a Cygnus cargo mission launching in late September.
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Scheduling is complicated!

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Scheduling is complicated!
True enough, but it is also foreseeable. I saw nothing that wouldn't have been known when the decision to bring DM-2 home was made, and end of September was penciled in. It seems they were asleep at the wheel.

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Bummed out about the delay. It seems that NASA should have figured this out before bringing DM-2 home and got another 2mo FTE of work done.

I think the plan was to get Bob and Doug's work done, then come home.  Their work at ISS was pretty smooth and clean, with no delays or setbacks.  The DM2 test points were all satisfied, so staying at ISS would have done little other than consume supplies.

So, come home, give yourself all the time you need to clear the remaining test points.  Then it's about coordinating with ISS for the next flight.  That coordination has now been set.

IMO, scheduling a hard date is a good sign for how well SpaceX has been clearing the final test points before operational flights can begin.

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According to Jeff Foust:
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Jeff Foust
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Aug 14
Note that the slip from September is primarily due to other ISS missions, including a Soyuz in mid-October as well as a Cygnus cargo mission launching in late September.
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Scheduling is complicated!

Why would Cygnus bump a manned flight (rather than the other way around), and how does moving the NET closer to Soyuz overcome scheduling conflicts with Soyuz?
« Last Edit: 08/15/2020 08:02 pm by ncb1397 »

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According to Jeff Foust:
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Jeff Foust
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Aug 14
Note that the slip from September is primarily due to other ISS missions, including a Soyuz in mid-October as well as a Cygnus cargo mission launching in late September.
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Scheduling is complicated!

Why would Cygnus bump a manned flight (rather than the other way around), and how does moving the NET closer to Soyuz overcome scheduling conflicts with Soyuz?

You want the supplies on the Cygnus to be there before the astronauts that will be using them turn up? Just guessing....

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The certification timeline was fairly aggressive, and it really hasn't slipped that far.  (Personally I don't buy the "traffic management at ISS" reason for the date change.)

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The certification timeline was fairly aggressive, and it really hasn't slipped that far.  (Personally I don't buy the "traffic management at ISS" reason for the date change.)

Considering the first mission was extended by more than a month, an October launch date is great news.
« Last Edit: 08/16/2020 12:34 am by niwax »
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Bummed out about the delay. It seems that NASA should have figured this out before bringing DM-2 home and got another 2mo FTE of work done.

I think the plan was to get Bob and Doug's work done, then come home.  Their work at ISS was pretty smooth and clean, with no delays or setbacks.  The DM2 test points were all satisfied, so staying at ISS would have done little other than consume supplies.

So, come home, give yourself all the time you need to clear the remaining test points.  Then it's about coordinating with ISS for the next flight.  That coordination has now been set.

IMO, scheduling a hard date is a good sign for how well SpaceX has been clearing the final test points before operational flights can begin.

Have a good one,
Mike

Just think, two manned Dragon flights before the repeat unmanned Starliner flight.

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"It seems they were asleep at the wheel."

If only we were running things instead of those losers.  We'd be on the Moon by now.  Unless, of course, there's a bit more going on than we are aware of. 

Seriously, that is really unfair to the people doing the actual job of running the program. 

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Just think, two manned Dragon flights before the repeat unmanned Starliner flight.

Doesn't really belong in this thread, but I sure hope you're wrong.  I just want Boeing to get it right.

Have a good one,
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Just think, two manned Dragon flights before the repeat unmanned Starliner flight.

Doesn't really belong in this thread, but I sure hope you're wrong.  I just want Boeing to get it right.

Have a good one,
Mike

The reflight of Boeings OFT is Q4 2020, but informed people expect it to slip to 2021. SpaceXs Crew1 flight (meaning second crewed flight) is now NET October.
To prevent this from happening something VERY unexpected has to happen at SpaceX and/or Boeing.

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Just think, two manned Dragon flights before the repeat unmanned Starliner flight.

Doesn't really belong in this thread, but I sure hope you're wrong.  I just want Boeing to get it right.

Have a good one,
Mike

I think you're thinking of Crew-1 and Crew-2 both flying before OFT-2.  I'm sure Surfdaddy was referring to DM-2 and Crew-1, both of which are certain to fly before OFT-2, unless there is a catastrophe.

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I'm sure Surfdaddy was referring to DM-2 and Crew-1, both of which are certain to fly before OFT-2, unless there is a catastrophe.

Ah, that makes sense.  My bad; thanks for clarifying.

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Unless plans have changed, SpaceX should be getting an FAA license for this flight.

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From left, Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) astronaut and mission specialist Soichi Noguchi, and NASA astronauts Michael Hopkins, spacecraft commander, and Victor Glover, pilot, participate in a SpaceX training exercise on July 22, 2020, at the agency’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida in preparation for NASA’s SpaceX Crew-1 mission. Also participating in the training but not pictured was NASA astronaut and mission specialist Shannon Walker. The exercise involved simulating an emergency situation prior to liftoff at Kennedy’s Launch Complex 39A. Crew-1 will be the first operational mission to the International Space Station under NASA’s Commercial Crew Program, following the agency’s certification of SpaceX’s crew transportation system.

Photographer: SpaceX  Location: LC 39A

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NASA astronaut Victor Glover, and pilot for the agency’s SpaceX Crew-1 mission, participates in an egress training exercise on July 21, 2020, in Florida. The exercise involved simulating an emergency situation after splashdown of the Crew Dragon spacecraft. Mission specialist Shannon Walker and spacecraft commander Michael Hopkins – both NASA astronauts – also participated in the training, along with Soichi Noguchi, mission specialist and Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) astronaut. Glover, Walker, Hopkins, and Noguchi will launch to the International Space Station from Launch Complex 39A at the agency’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida. Crew-1 will be the first operational mission to the orbiting laboratory under NASA’s Commercial Crew Program, following the agency’s certification of SpaceX’s crew transportation system.

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NASA astronaut Victor Glover, and pilot for the agency’s SpaceX Crew-1 mission, participates in an egress training exercise on July 21, 2020, in Florida. The exercise involved simulating an emergency situation after splashdown of the Crew Dragon spacecraft. Mission specialist Shannon Walker and spacecraft commander Michael Hopkins – both NASA astronauts – also participated in the training, along with Soichi Noguchi, mission specialist and Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) astronaut. Glover, Walker, Hopkins, and Noguchi will launch to the International Space Station from Launch Complex 39A at the agency’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida. Crew-1 will be the first operational mission to the orbiting laboratory under NASA’s Commercial Crew Program, following the agency’s certification of SpaceX’s crew transportation system.

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NASA astronaut Victor Glover, and pilot for the agency’s SpaceX Crew-1 mission, participates in an egress training exercise on July 21, 2020, in Florida. The exercise involved simulating an emergency situation after splashdown of the Crew Dragon spacecraft. Mission specialist Shannon Walker and spacecraft commander Michael Hopkins – both NASA astronauts – also participated in the training, along with Soichi Noguchi, mission specialist and Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) astronaut. Glover, Walker, Hopkins, and Noguchi will launch to the International Space Station from Launch Complex 39A at the agency’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida. Crew-1 will be the first operational mission to the orbiting laboratory under NASA’s Commercial Crew Program, following the agency’s certification of SpaceX’s crew transportation system.

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Crew Dragon commander Michael Hopkins, pilot Victor Glover, mission specialist Shannon Walker – all NASA astronauts – and Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) astronaut and mission specialist Soichi Noguchi participate in an egress training exercise on July 21, 2020, in preparation for NASA’s SpaceX Crew-1 mission. The exercise involved simulating an emergency situation after splashdown of the Crew Dragon spacecraft. Hopkins, Glover, Walker, and Noguchi will launch to the International Space Station from Launch Complex 39A at the agency’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida. Crew-1 will be the first operational mission to the orbiting laboratory under NASA’s Commercial Crew Program, following the agency’s certification of SpaceX’s crew transportation system.

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From back to front, pilot Victor Glover, mission specialist Shannon Walker, mission specialist Soichi Noguchi, and spacecraft commander Michael Hopkins participate in an egress training exercise on July 21, 2020, in preparation for NASA’s SpaceX Crew-1 mission. Glover, Walker, and Hopkins are all NASA astronauts; Noguchi is a Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) astronaut. The exercise involved simulating an emergency situation after splashdown of the Crew Dragon spacecraft. Hopkins, Glover, Walker, and Noguchi will launch to the International Space Station from Launch Complex 39A at the agency’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida. Crew-1 will be the first operational mission to the orbiting laboratory under NASA’s Commercial Crew Program, following the agency’s certification of SpaceX’s crew transportation system.

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NASA astronaut Michael Hopkins, and spacecraft commander for the agency’s SpaceX Crew-1 mission, participates in an egress training exercise on July 21, 2020, in Florida. The exercise involved simulating an emergency situation after splashdown of the Crew Dragon spacecraft. Mission specialist Shannon Walker and pilot Victor Glover – both NASA astronauts – also participated in the training, along with Soichi Noguchi, mission specialist and Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) astronaut. Hopkins, Walker, Glover, and Noguchi will launch to the International Space Station from Launch Complex 39A at the agency’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida. Crew-1 will be the first operational mission to the orbiting laboratory under NASA’s Commercial Crew Program, following the agency’s certification of SpaceX’s crew transportation system.

Photographer: SpaceX Location: Florida

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And here's a view of the Dragon spacecraft that will be used for the Crew-1 mission launching no earlier than "late September." Will ship to Florida in the first or second week of August.

Any update for spacecraft shipment to Cape?
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