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Edit January 20, 2022: a.k.a. VVC1

LARES 2
Orbit: 5899 km circular, 70.16°

Vega C
All stages improved: P120C (shared with Ariane 6) / Zefiro-Z40 / Zefiro-Z9A / AVUM+

Cross-posts re: launch
Mid-2020
<snip>
Vega-C’s inaugural flight is scheduled for mid-2020, carrying the Italian Space Agency’s LARES 2 satellite, a large retroreflector for the study of general relativity related to Earth’s gravitational field.

End of September 2020?
According to someone working at the CSG, Vega C will not liftoff until the end of September 2020. There should be an ignition of the P120 first stage in the coming months.
This date will depend on whether or not flight VV-16 is successful.
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Re: Vega C maiden flight - LARES 2 - 2020
« Reply #1 on: 05/12/2020 08:36 pm »
Cross-posts:
At Avio, the Vega-C launches seem to be as VC-xx designated. But maybe Arianespace does it differently.

http://avio-data.teleborsa.it/2020%2fAVIO-FY-2019-Results_Def_20200326_094744.pdf

page 21
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•Vega production materials secured for 2020:
–materials available for VV17, VV18, VV19
–Propellant casting for VV19 may be subject to some restrictions
–Vega C maiden flight ok, VC02 materials available , few exceptions

I've listed the names of the payloads with the missions:

- VV-18: LARES-2? First Vega C? (October 21)

I don't know what Vega C's flight designation for Arianespace will be. If we stay logical, it would still be "Vol Vega - VV" (Vega Flight), but maybe they'll change.
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Re: Vega C maiden flight - LARES 2 - 2020
« Reply #2 on: 05/13/2020 05:27 pm »
Most likely there are launch vehicle numbers and launch mission numbers.
All Ariane launchers had a VA-xxx mission number. Ariane5 launchers have a VA-5xx(x)  vehicle number.
I think Arianespace will use VV-xx mission numbers for all Vega launches. Avio uses vehicle numbers: VV for Vega, VC for Vega C. Most likely VE for Vega E. I wonder what they plan to use for Vega Light (C or E).
I'm happy the maiden Vega C launch is still planned for 2020.

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Re: Vega C maiden flight - LARES 2 - 2020
« Reply #3 on: 05/13/2020 06:01 pm »
Most likely there are launch vehicle numbers and launch mission numbers.
All Ariane launchers had a VA-xxx mission number. Ariane5 launchers have a VA-5xx(x)  vehicle number.
I think Arianespace will use VV-xx mission numbers for all Vega launches. Avio uses vehicle numbers: VV for Vega, VC for Vega C. Most likely VE for Vega E. I wonder what they plan to use for Vega Light (C or E).
I'm happy the maiden Vega C launch is still planned for 2020.
By itself I've seen batted around VL for Vega Lite.

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Re: Vega C maiden flight - LARES 2 - 2020
« Reply #4 on: 05/13/2020 07:25 pm »
Most likely there are launch vehicle numbers and launch mission numbers.
All Ariane launchers had a VA-xxx mission number. Ariane5 launchers have a VA-5xx(x)  vehicle number.
I think Arianespace will use VV-xx mission numbers for all Vega launches. Avio uses vehicle numbers: VV for Vega, VC for Vega C

Ariane-5 mission has VA-XXX designation, but rocket itself - L5XXX. For Vega they are VV-XX and VGXX respectively.

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Re: Vega C maiden flight - LARES 2 - 2020
« Reply #5 on: 05/13/2020 07:28 pm »
Vega C first flight will be VV-19, and will take off on December 13, 2020.

zubenelgenubi edit/add:
I've listed the names of the payloads with the missions:

- VV-19: LARES-2, first Vega C (December 23)
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Re: Vega C VV19, maiden flight - LARES 2 - December 23, 2020
« Reply #6 on: 05/13/2020 08:27 pm »
But how to distinguish between Vega C lite and Vega E lite in the transition period. Most likely 2024-2026.
But the development decision for the other Vega versions still has to be made. Let's first get Vega launching again, and than transition to Vega C. Or is the 700kg payload difference between Vega and Vega C enough to operate them side by side. (Vega upgrade to P88, Z40, Z9A AVUM+)

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Re: Vega C VV19, maiden flight - LARES 2 - December 23, 2020
« Reply #7 on: 05/16/2020 08:02 pm »
Vega C first flight will be VV-19, and will take off on December 13, 2020.

Avio is more careful with the date.
Avio Q1 2020 Highlights page 8

http://avio-data.teleborsa.it/2020%2fAvio-Q1-2020-Highlights_v_def_20200514_063658.pdf

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Upcoming flight activity
•VV16 SSMS mid June
•VV17 August
•VV18 by year end
•Vega C launch campaign to start by year end
•Ariane 5 VA253 end of July
...
Development
•Vega C ground qualification review 3 rd quarter
•P120 QM2 test ( third and last static firing test for Ariane 6) by year end

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Re: Vega C VV19, maiden flight - LARES 2 - December 23, 2020
« Reply #8 on: 06/02/2020 04:18 pm »
Cross-post re: VV19:
https://tass.ru/kosmos/8622869
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MOSCOW, June 2. / TASS /. The launch of the new European Vega C rocket is scheduled for 2020, the date will be determined after the resumption of launch activity at the Kourou Cosmodrome in French Guiana. This was reported by TASS head of the representative office of the European Space Agency (ESA) in Russia Rene Pischel.

"The first launch of the Vega C rocket is planned for 2020, the general launch schedule will be approved after the launch activity at the Kourou spaceport resumes this summer with the launch of the Vega rocket," Pishel said.

According to the head of the ESA representative office, the first Vega C will put into orbit the Italian geodetic satellite LARES 2 (Laser Relativity Satellite), designed to study the general theory of relativity and space geodesy.
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Re: Vega C VV19, maiden flight - LARES 2 - NET 2021
« Reply #9 on: 07/01/2020 03:48 pm »
Vega Flight VV16 – the SSMS Proof of Concept mission: Postponed until August 17, 2020
July 1, 2020
Despite this delay, Arianespace is maintaining the target of performing three Vega launches during 2020.
VV16, 17, and 18 in 2020.
Apparently, it takes a minimum of approximately 6 weeks to turn around the Vega launch complex.  VV19 delayed into 2021.
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Re: Vega C VV19, maiden flight - LARES 2 - early 2021
« Reply #10 on: 09/05/2020 07:46 am »
EDIT: SFN Launch Schedule, dated September 4
"Early 2021"

Planned launches:
Date - Satellite(s) - Rocket - Launch Site - Time (UTC)

2021
December 2020 January - Star One D2, Eutelsat Quantum - Ariane 5 ECA (VA254) - Kourou ELA-3
December 23, 2020 Early - LARES 2 - Vega C (inaugural flight) (VV19) - Kourou ZLV
December 15, 2020 Early - Galileo-FOC FM23, Galileo-FOC FM24 - Soyuz ST-B/Fregat-MT (VS26) - Kourou ELS
Late 2020 December 23, 2020 Early Q1 - Pleiades Neo 1, Pleiades Neo 2, nanosats - Vega С (VV19) (VV20) - Kourou ZLV

Changes on May 12th
Changes on May 15th
Changes on July 1st
Changes on August 31st
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Re: Vega C VV19, maiden flight - LARES 2 - mid-2021
« Reply #11 on: 09/15/2020 09:07 pm »
https://spacenews.com/vega-c-debut-slips-to-mid-2021/ dated September 14
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Ranzo said Avio now expects just one more Vega launch this year, in November. Next year Avio plans three Vega launches, plus a “mid-2021” debut of Vega C, he said.

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Giulio Ranzo, CEO of Avio, said the company is prioritizing customers of the current Vega rocket that have been waiting since last year for that vehicle to resume operation.

“We had a slowdown which moved everything on the right,” Ranzo said during a Sept. 14 earnings call.
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Ranzo said Avio had to suspend some Vega C development activities in order to prioritize customer missions. Avio’s supply chain also slowed down due to the coronavirus pandemic and the lack of launches while Vega was grounded, he said.
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Re: Vega C maiden flight - LARES 2 - mid-2021
« Reply #12 on: 10/13/2020 11:39 pm »
VV19 designation is assigned to another flight.
Cross-posts:
Arianespace offers new shared smallsat payload opportunities on its Vega launcher; the next mission already is fully booked, dated October 13
[see attached .png file]
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Planned launches:
Date - Satellite(s) - Rocket - Launch Site - Time (UTC)

2021
January - CERES 1, ELO, Lemur-2y (xTBD), Myriota 1, Myriota 2, Myriota 3, NORSAT 3, NanoAvionics sat + multiple sats - Vega (VV18) - Kourou ZLV (or Q1)
Early - Galileo-FOC FM23, Galileo-FOC FM24 - Soyuz ST-B/Fregat-MT (VS26?) - Kourou ELS
January February - Star One D2, Eutelsat Quantum - Ariane 5 ECA (VA254) - Kourou ELA-3
Q2 - CERES 1, CERES 2, CERES 3 + multiple sats - Vega (VV19) - Kourou ZLV
Midyear - LARES 2 - Vega C (inaugural flight) (VV19)  - Kourou ZLV
Q4 - SSMS flight 2 - Vega C - Kourou ZLV

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Changes on October 12th
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Re: Vega C maiden flight - LARES 2 - mid-2021
« Reply #13 on: 10/29/2020 05:18 pm »
Cross-post; my bold:
ESA lays out roadmap to Vega-C and Ariane 6 flights, dated October 29

Vega C

Vega-C is a more powerful and versatile version of the Vega launch vehicle currently operating at Europe’s Spaceport in French Guiana. Vega-C’s maiden flight is planned for June 2021.

Vega was on track for its return to flight, after the July 2019 failure, with its mission (VV16) in March 2020, but Europe’s Spaceport had to be closed due to COVID-19 safety measures. The VV16 launch campaign resumed in May but several further launch attempts were halted due to unfavourable weather. Vega’s return to flight, with the new SSMS dispenser carrying 53 satellites, was successfully launched on 2 September.

Between February and September no activities for the preparation of Vega-C were possible in the Vega mobile gantry while it housed the P80 solid rocket motor in readiness for flight VV16, due to safety constraints.

The qualification at system and subsystems level is currently under finalisation.

As from October, all the new solid motors for Vega-C have completed qualification testing. The Zefiro-40 solid rocket motor for Vega-C completed qualification tests in 2019. The final test of the P120C took place successfully on 7 October.

Two Vega flights, VV17 and VV18, are planned before Vega-C. Activities for the modification of the mobile gantry for Vega-C, such as modifications of the fluids networks as well as connection and installation of the new control bench for Vega-C, will have to start after VV18 now planned early February.

Vega-C maiden flight is planned for June 2021.

Vega-C is a project managed and funded by the European Space Agency. Avio is the industrial prime contractor. Arianespace commercialises Vega-C.
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Re: Vega C VV19(?), maiden flight - LARES 2 - mid-2021
« Reply #14 on: 01/18/2021 07:36 pm »
Cross-post:
I got some information about the flights for this year:

VV19 - late June or early July, likely Vega C first flight
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Re: Vega C VV2X, maiden flight - LARES 2 - early 2022
« Reply #15 on: 03/19/2021 10:37 pm »
Cross-posts; first Vega-C launch delayed to early 2022:
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Vega-C rocket delayed to early 2022 as current Vega customers, especially one, are given priority

Posted by Peter B. de Selding | Mar 19, 2021 | Limited, Satellite Operators

PARIS — Europe’s Vega-C rocket’s inaugural flight has slipped to early 2022 to increase the likelihood that high-profile customers awaiting launch on the current Vega are delivered to orbit this year.

First among equals in this customer lineup is the French Defense Ministry, whose three Ceres signals-intelligence satellites are scheduled for launch on a Vega late this year. The satellites will fly in formation in low Earth orbit.

https://www.spaceintelreport.com/vega-c-rocket-delayed-to-early-2022-as-current-vega-customers-especially-one-are-given-priority/

The Vega-C lost the fight. The Vega customers Airbus and DGA have prevailed.
So most likely 2021 Vega VV18 Pleiades NEO 1, Vega VV19 Pleiades NEO 2, Vega VV20 CERES and then 2022 the Vega-C.

The same from Avio, no Vega-C in 2021.

p. 24
http://avio-data.teleborsa.it/2021%2f2020-FY-Results-v_DEF_20210319_060013.pdf

Therefore, no "earlier" than VV21.
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Re: Vega C VV2X, maiden flight - LARES 2 - early 2022
« Reply #16 on: 05/12/2021 09:44 am »
Avio Q1 2021 Highlights
http://avio-data.teleborsa.it/2021%2fAvio-Q1-2021-Highlights_v8_20210511_070935.pdf

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Next steps for a busy2021
•Upcoming flight activity
 •VV19 3rdquarter 2021
 •VV20 4thquarter 2021
•Adaptation of ground systems for Vega C
 •Vega C -launch campaign to start 4thquarter 2021

Incomprehensible: Why was the "•Adaptation of ground systems for Vega C" not carried out in the  breaks after Vega VV15 or VV17?
That means more weeks of delay for the Vega-C maiden flight.
So far, the CSG schedule for Q4 looks very tight.
Vega VV20, 2x Soyuz, 2x Ariane 5 (at least).
So it is not certain that Vega VV20 with CERES will actually take off in October.

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Re: Vega C VV2X, maiden flight - LARES 2 - early 2022
« Reply #17 on: 05/13/2021 06:53 am »
Incomprehensible: Why was the "•Adaptation of ground systems for Vega C" not carried out in the  breaks after Vega VV15 or VV17?

Perhaps they need to wait until after VV20. Is that the last flight of the standard Vega?
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Re: Vega C VV2X, maiden flight - LARES 2 - early 2022
« Reply #18 on: 05/13/2021 07:18 am »
Incomprehensible: Why was the "•Adaptation of ground systems for Vega C" not carried out in the  breaks after Vega VV15 or VV17?

Perhaps they need to wait until after VV20. Is that the last flight of the standard Vega?
AFAIU some works were already carried out however what remains cannot be completed until Vega is done. The fixed Launcher Umbilical Mast cannot complete permanent reconfiguration until Vega is done then the platforms have final works and the blockhouse and the cable trays cabling and such get an upgrade.
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Re: Vega C VV2X, maiden flight - LARES 2 - early 2022
« Reply #19 on: 05/13/2021 07:39 am »
Incomprehensible: Why was the "•Adaptation of ground systems for Vega C" not carried out in the  breaks after Vega VV15 or VV17?

Perhaps they need to wait until after VV20. Is that the last flight of the standard Vega?

By my calculation there are 22 Vegas.
SAB Launch Service has also #23 in its current schedule, but I think there's a mistake in there.
The problem is not so much the maiden flight. But rather the following time-critical Vega-C missions, CSG-2 and Pleiades NEO 5 + 6.
These first two operational Vega-Cs recently disappeared from the SAB schedule. mysterious
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