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Pretty neat! 8)
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Re: Energia II (Uragan) Fully Reusable Russian Rocket Concept
« Reply #1 on: 03/01/2020 08:41 am »
Yes, it’s a great animation.

I posted it in an old existing Energia II thread:

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=28014.0

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Re: Energia II (Uragan) Fully Reusable Russian Rocket Concept
« Reply #2 on: 03/01/2020 10:35 am »
Pretty neat! 8)

That's a very pretty CGI.

The wings and tail on the booster will make it very rear heavy, and I see that there is no actual shots of the US returning to earth. Long thing wings tend to get very hot, which is why Shuttle and Buran had deltas.

This brings to mind another such video in 2011. We'll see if this turns out to be any more accurate as a true description of the future, or just some pretty CGI  :(
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Re: Energia II (Uragan) Fully Reusable Russian Rocket Concept
« Reply #3 on: 03/01/2020 10:50 am »
We'll see if this turns out to be any more accurate as a true description of the future, or just some pretty CGI  :(

It certainly doesn't look like anything that'll come out of RSC Energia any time soon.  :(

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Re: Energia II (Uragan) Fully Reusable Russian Rocket Concept
« Reply #4 on: 03/01/2020 12:59 pm »
We'll see if this turns out to be any more accurate as a true description of the future, or just some pretty CGI  :(

It certainly doesn't look like anything that'll come out of RSC Energia any time soon.  :(

It doesn't look like anything that'll come out of anybody any time soon. I think the whole idea of flyback booster and upper stage is dead.

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Re: Energia II (Uragan) Fully Reusable Russian Rocket Concept
« Reply #5 on: 03/01/2020 01:35 pm »
Flyback boosters could have been done.  NASA considered it, but thought it too costly.  Russia used 4 based on the Zenit rocket.  The Zenit would probably have to have been stretched some for extra fuel to carry the wings and landing gear.  The flybacks probably would require less fuel for landing, but more complexity. 

Today this could be done with F9 rockets, four strapped around the SLS core instead of the solids.  Someone on You Tube suggested it.  Some mods to the core would have to be done and the transporter and pad, but in the long run it would be cheaper than the expendable solids as the boosters could be reused. 

I would hope Russia would resurrect this concept and develop a heavy lifter based on the Energia model as this is probably the only way Russia can get a very heavy lifter to work because of their transportation system.  They could build a heavy lifter at the launch site like Starship. 

Maybe they will quit spending so much on the military and give more to their space program.  I don't see the oil and gas industry that they depend on making so much money long term for them, with more countries going nuclear, solar, and wind for their energy needs.   


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Re: Energia II (Uragan) Fully Reusable Russian Rocket Concept
« Reply #6 on: 03/01/2020 07:45 pm »
Flyback boosters could have been done.  NASA considered it, but thought it too costly.  Russia used 4 based on the Zenit rocket.  The Zenit would probably have to have been stretched some for extra fuel to carry the wings and landing gear.  The flybacks probably would require less fuel for landing, but more complexity. 

Today this could be done with F9 rockets, four strapped around the SLS core instead of the solids.  Someone on You Tube suggested it.  Some mods to the core would have to be done and the transporter and pad, but in the long run it would be cheaper than the expendable solids as the boosters could be reused. 

I would hope Russia would resurrect this concept and develop a heavy lifter based on the Energia model as this is probably the only way Russia can get a very heavy lifter to work because of their transportation system.  They could build a heavy lifter at the launch site like Starship. 

Maybe they will quit spending so much on the military and give more to their space program.  I don't see the oil and gas industry that they depend on making so much money long term for them, with more countries going nuclear, solar, and wind for their energy needs.   
The flybacks on the Shuttle would have been pretty sweet...
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Re: Energia II (Uragan) Fully Reusable Russian Rocket Concept
« Reply #7 on: 03/01/2020 09:03 pm »
Yes, it’s a great animation.

I posted it in an old existing Energia II thread:

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=28014.0
I knew you would be on top of it! :)
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Re: Energia II (Uragan) Fully Reusable Russian Rocket Concept
« Reply #8 on: 03/02/2020 03:04 pm »
There were also proposals, apparently, to recover Energia boosters with landing legs and retropropulsion, though just in the terminal phase after a parachute had done most of the work.

https://www.buran-energia.com/energia/energia-consti-1eretage.php

It's a pity Sea Launch never dusted those plans off--perhaps Zenit could have realized its full potential. 

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Re: Energia II (Uragan) Fully Reusable Russian Rocket Concept
« Reply #9 on: 03/02/2020 05:33 pm »
Folks...

Hazegrayart entire Youtube channel is fantastic. I don't know who is that guy, but he certainly knows how to make stunningly beautiful and realistic CGI stuff.

My favorite one is the tribute to 2001 - there are actually two of them, one with the fictious 1968 ships and one with a whole bunch of our universe spaceships - Shuttle, Buran, X-33, Starship, Dreamchaser...

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