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This is some pretty huge news - so I thought it deserved its own thread.

He'll be reporting to Hans Koenigsmann, so not exactly what connection to Starship it will be.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/11/spacex-hires-former-nasa-official-william-gerstenmaier.html

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The article didn't say whether Gerst would be working on the Crew Dragon or Starship side.  Or, did I miss that?

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From the CNBC article:

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In his new role Gerstenmaier is reporting to SpaceX vice president of mission assurance Hans Koenigsmann

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A SpaceX spokesperson confirmed that Gerstenmaier is a consultant for the company's reliability engineering team.

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The article didn't say whether Gerst would be working on the Crew Dragon or Starship side.  Or, did I miss that?
Well, Hans doesn't work on the Starship and Gerst is reporting to Hans - so by extension nor will Gerst. For now anyway.
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twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1227290722514194432

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Huge hire for SpaceX for a number of reasons.

https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1227290969797730304

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Foremost is this gives the company gravitas within the traditional aerospace community and defense industry. Few people are more widely respected in aerospace than Gerstenmaier.

https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1227291688739143680

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Like, do you want to win government contracts for Starship? Because this is how you win government contracts for Starship.

Gerstenmaier was the ultimate insider in the civil space industry.

Yes, I think this must go further than Crew Dragon. Gerst obviously knows SpaceX very well but it’s quite different working for them than being the client.  May be helping get Crew Dragon over the line is a good way to check everyone is happy with the new arrangements?
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Head of Roscosmos:

https://twitter.com/rogozin/status/1227297893981265920

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Congratulations to the company @SpaceX with an invitation to work an outstanding specialist engineer, former head of the manned program @NASA William Gerstenmaier. Bill made a huge contribution to the success of the project. #МКС .
 I wish my friend success in a new job!

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The article didn't say whether Gerst would be working on the Crew Dragon or Starship side.  Or, did I miss that?

It did not say that, but Crew Dragon is more or less finished.

I believe he is supposed to help with Starship, since it's currently being built without NASA supervision and experience (opposed to crew dragon).

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The news is coming fast and furious this week.

This is one of the more surprising bits of space news I've seen in quite a while... but it makes perfect sense. Definitely not a shortfall of gravitas, indeed.

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The article didn't say whether Gerst would be working on the Crew Dragon or Starship side.  Or, did I miss that?

It did not say that, but Crew Dragon is more or less finished.

I believe he is supposed to help with Starship, since it's currently being built without NASA supervision and experience (opposed to crew dragon).
Hans role is overall mission assurance, so maybe Gerst is going to be human mission assurance. ie part of crew dragon team as it goes operational.
« Last Edit: 02/11/2020 06:07 pm by RoboGoofers »

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A safety culture hire first and foremost.  Astute of Musk to hire this competence where SpaceX is entering a new arena, human spaceflight.  Someone with direct experience to question unquestioned assumptions.
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Re: SpaceX has hired former NASA official William Gerstenmaier
« Reply #10 on: 02/11/2020 06:12 pm »
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A SpaceX spokesperson confirmed that Gerstenmaier is a consultant for the company’s reliability engineering team.

I think everyone needs to slow down a bit. He's a consultant, which usually implies a short-term advisory role. It could be a sort of trial period for both parties that morphs into a full-time leadership role, but I would not assume it from this article.

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Re: SpaceX has hired former NASA official William Gerstenmaier
« Reply #11 on: 02/11/2020 06:18 pm »
So, has NASA verified that this meets government regulations?

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Further limitations upon the post-government employment activities of certain officials exist
under so-called “procurement integrity” provisions of federal law for those former federal
officials who had acted as contracting officers or who had other specified contracting or
procurement functions for an agency. These additional restrictions go beyond the prohibitions on
merely “representational,” lobbying, or advocacy activities on behalf of private entities before the
government, and extend also to any compensated activity for or on behalf of certain private
contractors for a period of time after a former procurement official had worked on certain
contracts for the government.

The current post-employment restrictions within the procurement integrity provisions of federal
law are codified at 41 U.S.C. Sections 2103 and 2104. Under such provisions, former federal
officials who were involved in certain contracting and procurement duties for the government
concerning contracts in excess of $10 million may generally not receive any compensation from
the private contractor involved, as an employee, officer, consultant, or director of that contractor,
for one year after performing those procurement duties for the government.27
The types of contracting duties and decisions for the government which would trigger coverage
under these provisions include acting as the “procuring contracting officer, the source selection
authority, a member of the source selection evaluation board, or the chief of a financial or
technical evaluation team in a procurement” in excess of $10 million; serving as the program
manager, deputy program manager, or administrative contracting officer for covered contracts; or
being an officer who personally made decisions awarding a contract, subcontract, modification of
a contract, or task order or delivery order in excess of $10 million
, establishing overhead or other
rates valued in excess of $10 million, or approving payments or settlement of claims for a
contract in excess of the covered amount.
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42728.pdf

I'm frankly surprised they didn't wait a year since Wiliam Gerstenmaier was removed as head of HEOMD to give him a job since he could be considered a program manager for SpaceX's commercial crew and cargo contracts.


So, has NASA verified that this meets government regulations?

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Further limitations upon the post-government employment activities of certain officials exist
under so-called “procurement integrity” provisions of federal law for those former federal
officials who had acted as contracting officers or who had other specified contracting or
procurement functions for an agency. These additional restrictions go beyond the prohibitions on
merely “representational,” lobbying, or advocacy activities on behalf of private entities before the
government, and extend also to any compensated activity for or on behalf of certain private
contractors for a period of time after a former procurement official had worked on certain
contracts for the government.

The current post-employment restrictions within the procurement integrity provisions of federal
law are codified at 41 U.S.C. Sections 2103 and 2104. Under such provisions, former federal
officials who were involved in certain contracting and procurement duties for the government
concerning contracts in excess of $10 million may generally not receive any compensation from
the private contractor involved, as an employee, officer, consultant, or director of that contractor,
for one year after performing those procurement duties for the government.27
The types of contracting duties and decisions for the government which would trigger coverage
under these provisions include acting as the “procuring contracting officer, the source selection
authority, a member of the source selection evaluation board, or the chief of a financial or
technical evaluation team in a procurement” in excess of $10 million; serving as the program
manager, deputy program manager, or administrative contracting officer for covered contracts; or
being an officer who personally made decisions awarding a contract, subcontract, modification of
a contract, or task order or delivery order in excess of $10 million
, establishing overhead or other
rates valued in excess of $10 million, or approving payments or settlement of claims for a
contract in excess of the covered amount.
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42728.pdf

I'm frankly surprised they didn't wait a year since Wiliam Gerstenmaier was removed as head of HEOMD to give him a job since he could be considered a program manager for SpaceX's commercial crew and cargo contracts.

Maybe that's why his title contractor for now... this great for SpaceX and NASA. 

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A SpaceX spokesperson confirmed that Gerstenmaier is a consultant for the company’s reliability engineering team.

I think everyone needs to slow down a bit. He's a consultant, which usually implies a short-term advisory role. It could be a sort of trial period for both parties that morphs into a full-time leadership role, but I would not assume it from this article.

Eric Berger just posted an article in which he says:

"Although the role is officially a consultancy, it is expected to become a full-time position."

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Re: SpaceX has hired former NASA official William Gerstenmaier
« Reply #14 on: 02/11/2020 06:36 pm »
So, has NASA verified that this meets government regulations?

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Further limitations upon the post-government employment activities of certain officials exist
under so-called “procurement integrity” provisions of federal law for those former federal
officials who had acted as contracting officers or who had other specified contracting or
procurement functions for an agency. These additional restrictions go beyond the prohibitions on
merely “representational,” lobbying, or advocacy activities on behalf of private entities before the
government, and extend also to any compensated activity for or on behalf of certain private
contractors for a period of time after a former procurement official had worked on certain
contracts for the government.

The current post-employment restrictions within the procurement integrity provisions of federal
law are codified at 41 U.S.C. Sections 2103 and 2104. Under such provisions, former federal
officials who were involved in certain contracting and procurement duties for the government
concerning contracts in excess of $10 million may generally not receive any compensation from
the private contractor involved, as an employee, officer, consultant, or director of that contractor,
for one year after performing those procurement duties for the government.27
The types of contracting duties and decisions for the government which would trigger coverage
under these provisions include acting as the “procuring contracting officer, the source selection
authority, a member of the source selection evaluation board, or the chief of a financial or
technical evaluation team in a procurement” in excess of $10 million; serving as the program
manager, deputy program manager, or administrative contracting officer for covered contracts; or
being an officer who personally made decisions awarding a contract, subcontract, modification of
a contract, or task order or delivery order in excess of $10 million
, establishing overhead or other
rates valued in excess of $10 million, or approving payments or settlement of claims for a
contract in excess of the covered amount.
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42728.pdf

I'm frankly surprised they didn't wait a year since Wiliam Gerstenmaier was removed as head of HEOMD to give him a job since he could be considered a program manager for SpaceX's commercial crew and cargo contracts.

Maybe that's why his title contractor for now... this great for SpaceX and NASA.

Well, the CRS-2, CRS and commercial crew contracts may not be covered contracts because decisions on those weren't made in the last year (again,NASA has the information on this internally). So, even though he was a program manager (or rather the program manager's manager), those don't count as covered contracts. If NASA's, SpaceX's and Gerstenmaier's lawyers all looked at this thoroughly and it went through, it is at least an interesting anecdote about what is and is not legal.
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https://twitter.com/Lori_Garver/status/1227314895533813761

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Lori Garver
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This is awesome!  After holding his cards close as a civil servant for decades - Gerst plays his hand!  Congrats & huge win for
@SpaceX & commercial crew!  SpaceX brings on NASA's former top spaceflight official as it prepares to launch first astronauts

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Re: SpaceX has hired former NASA official William Gerstenmaier
« Reply #16 on: 02/11/2020 06:55 pm »
So, has NASA verified that this meets government regulations?

Quote
Further limitations upon the post-government employment activities of certain officials exist
under so-called “procurement integrity” provisions of federal law for those former federal
officials who had acted as contracting officers or who had other specified contracting or
procurement functions for an agency. These additional restrictions go beyond the prohibitions on
merely “representational,” lobbying, or advocacy activities on behalf of private entities before the
government, and extend also to any compensated activity for or on behalf of certain private
contractors for a period of time after a former procurement official had worked on certain
contracts for the government.

The current post-employment restrictions within the procurement integrity provisions of federal
law are codified at 41 U.S.C. Sections 2103 and 2104. Under such provisions, former federal
officials who were involved in certain contracting and procurement duties for the government
concerning contracts in excess of $10 million may generally not receive any compensation from
the private contractor involved, as an employee, officer, consultant, or director of that contractor,
for one year after performing those procurement duties for the government.27
The types of contracting duties and decisions for the government which would trigger coverage
under these provisions include acting as the “procuring contracting officer, the source selection
authority, a member of the source selection evaluation board, or the chief of a financial or
technical evaluation team in a procurement” in excess of $10 million; serving as the program
manager, deputy program manager, or administrative contracting officer for covered contracts; or
being an officer who personally made decisions awarding a contract, subcontract, modification of
a contract, or task order or delivery order in excess of $10 million
, establishing overhead or other
rates valued in excess of $10 million, or approving payments or settlement of claims for a
contract in excess of the covered amount.
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42728.pdf

I'm frankly surprised they didn't wait a year since Wiliam Gerstenmaier was removed as head of HEOMD to give him a job since he could be considered a program manager for SpaceX's commercial crew and cargo contracts.

Maybe that's why his title contractor for now... this great for SpaceX and NASA.

Well, the CRS-2, CRS and commercial crew contracts may not be covered contracts because decisions on those weren't made in the last year (again,NASA has the information on this internally). So, even though he was a program manager (or rather the program manager's manager), those don't count as covered contracts. If NASA's, SpaceX's and Gerstenmaier's lawyers all looked at this thoroughly and it went through, it is at least an interesting anecdote about what is and is not legal.

I suppose this means he couldn't go to Boeing because of the extra money they got not too long ago, no?

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Re: SpaceX has hired former NASA official William Gerstenmaier
« Reply #17 on: 02/11/2020 07:22 pm »
Congratulations!
This really shows SpaceX means business. While it is great for Dragon2 and CC. That is just the introduction. However even there it sort of says "SpaceX is running by the same (high) safety values as NASA", or "we now have the same management that NASA had for HSF" etc.

However Starship is appearing so fast, and is so unbelievable, that even when it has orbited, and even when it has refuelled, and even when it has launched a few satellites, getting the world, the FAA, NASA, and the American people and Government to accept it flying people will be a big step.

From the other side, putting the right HSF safety criteria into building Starship, and its HSF "module", or "accommodation" from early in the design is essential both for physical progress and success, as well as "regulatory" acceptance. (I do know that "spaceflight participants" effectively self certify their own risk, but this does not dismiss all official oversight and interest.)

Having Bill Gerstenmaier as an overseer and leading influence, will massively help SX keep SS HSF safe, probably speed decision making over safety strategy and engineering, as well as project the idea that SX is taking HSF seriously, and incorporating "NASA's" best expertise.

Dragon and Dragon2 are "just" capsules like the Apollo Command Module. (OK slight exaggeration), copying the basic configuration, flight profiles, re-entry method etc.... It is not unreasonable for highly skilled, and dedicated engineers to succeed with them.

However Starship is a revolution. The size of the human pressure vessel, the method of re-entry, landing, the fuel, refuelling, expected long duration..... materials... no launch abort etc etc..... Yes, a (the) top level leader for human spaceflight, Gerst, is a real statement of intent from SpaceX, and from Gerst of confidence. Brilliant.

And what an amazing role for him, helping usher in the revolution is space travel!
(And he plumped for the winning team too!)
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Re: SpaceX has hired former NASA official William Gerstenmaier
« Reply #19 on: 02/11/2020 07:50 pm »
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A SpaceX spokesperson confirmed that Gerstenmaier is a consultant for the company’s reliability engineering team.

I think everyone needs to slow down a bit. He's a consultant, which usually implies a short-term advisory role. It could be a sort of trial period for both parties that morphs into a full-time leadership role, but I would not assume it from this article.
he participated in the design of  ISS. He knows literally everybody in the ISS program (not only American part). He is the best person to ask where to look and who to hire.
I doubt he is hired to do anything to help with crew Dragon program or "Starship" for that matter.

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