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Re: Starlink Internet Connection equipment - Home/Office user
« Reply #280 on: 08/28/2022 11:35 am »
Reading the comment about Ukraine usage and the motor cogs drying out and failing - I have disabled the motors and have Dishy flat and no moving and it works great.

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Re: Starlink Internet Connection equipment - Home/Office user
« Reply #281 on: 08/28/2022 05:55 pm »
Reading the comment about Ukraine usage and the motor cogs drying out and failing - I have disabled the motors and have Dishy flat and no moving and it works great.

Heh. I was going to ask why you would do that, but then I looked over and read your location.

 8)

No surprise though about military usage beating the crap out of the things. I'm more concerned about the life expectancy of the gears in regular service, but hopefully I'll be able to start timing that from tomorrow when my "Best Effort" dish gets here.

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Re: Starlink Internet Connection equipment - Home/Office user
« Reply #282 on: 08/28/2022 10:35 pm »

Heh. I was going to ask why you would do that, but then I looked over and read your location.

 8)

No surprise though about military usage beating the crap out of the things. I'm more concerned about the life expectancy of the gears in regular service, but hopefully I'll be able to start timing that from tomorrow when my "Best Effort" dish gets here.

I would expect much of that is from being moved regularly and possibly being used while moving. 

If the mechanism was designed for a stationary application and only being moved occasionally putting it on a truck would likely not be good for the gears at all.   

The gears aren't likely large and robust enough to tolerate rough handling while the dish is deployed. 

I expect the service life of an unmodified starlink on an oceangoing boat or ship will be even worse.



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Re: Starlink Internet Connection equipment - Home/Office user
« Reply #283 on: 08/29/2022 06:51 am »
... snip ... hopefully I'll be able to start timing that from tomorrow when my "Best Effort" dish gets here.
Glad to hear that you're finally getting service.
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Re: Starlink Internet Connection equipment - Home/Office user
« Reply #284 on: 11/10/2022 02:51 pm »
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Re: Starlink Internet Connection equipment - Home/Office user
« Reply #285 on: 12/14/2022 09:46 am »
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Re: Starlink Internet Connection equipment - Home/Office user
« Reply #286 on: 12/14/2022 03:58 pm »

Heh. I was going to ask why you would do that, but then I looked over and read your location.

 8)

No surprise though about military usage beating the crap out of the things. I'm more concerned about the life expectancy of the gears in regular service, but hopefully I'll be able to start timing that from tomorrow when my "Best Effort" dish gets here.

I would expect much of that is from being moved regularly and possibly being used while moving. 

If the mechanism was designed for a stationary application and only being moved occasionally putting it on a truck would likely not be good for the gears at all.   

The gears aren't likely large and robust enough to tolerate rough handling while the dish is deployed. 

I expect the service life of an unmodified starlink on an oceangoing boat or ship will be even worse.

That may be one reason that the terminals being sold for marine use cost 5x (?) more.  A lot of stuff needs to be ruggedized, and the gears may be one of them.  I would think that in household use, the gears are rarely engaged, right?

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Re: Starlink Internet Connection equipment - Home/Office user
« Reply #287 on: 12/14/2022 04:13 pm »

Heh. I was going to ask why you would do that, but then I looked over and read your location.

 8)

No surprise though about military usage beating the crap out of the things. I'm more concerned about the life expectancy of the gears in regular service, but hopefully I'll be able to start timing that from tomorrow when my "Best Effort" dish gets here.

I would expect much of that is from being moved regularly and possibly being used while moving. 

If the mechanism was designed for a stationary application and only being moved occasionally putting it on a truck would likely not be good for the gears at all.   

The gears aren't likely large and robust enough to tolerate rough handling while the dish is deployed. 

I expect the service life of an unmodified starlink on an oceangoing boat or ship will be even worse.

That may be one reason that the terminals being sold for marine use cost 5x (?) more.  A lot of stuff needs to be ruggedized, and the gears may be one of them.  I would think that in household use, the gears are rarely engaged, right?
I can think of many, many reasons why marine use would cost a lot more. Part of it is that the household terminals are being somewhat subsidized by the monthly revenue. Saltwater is absolutely brutal, also.
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Re: Starlink Internet Connection equipment - Home/Office user
« Reply #288 on: 12/14/2022 04:13 pm »
 With the bigger shipboard dishes, powered gears actually do very little work. The dish stays pointed by being perfectly balanced and will stay pointed fairly well even when unpowered if it isn't locked. Motors are for fine tuning and acquiring new targets.
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Re: Starlink Internet Connection equipment - Home/Office user
« Reply #289 on: 12/14/2022 04:23 pm »
With the bigger shipboard dishes, powered gears actually do very little work. The dish stays pointed by being perfectly balanced and will stay pointed fairly well even when unpowered if it isn't locked. Motors are for fine tuning and acquiring new targets.
I have the motors disabled on mine and even with the boat jumping around and heeled over, I don’t lose signal. Had it at an easy 20 degree angle and it still maintained a connection.

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Re: Starlink Internet Connection equipment - Home/Office user
« Reply #290 on: 12/14/2022 05:01 pm »

Heh. I was going to ask why you would do that, but then I looked over and read your location.

 8)

No surprise though about military usage beating the crap out of the things. I'm more concerned about the life expectancy of the gears in regular service, but hopefully I'll be able to start timing that from tomorrow when my "Best Effort" dish gets here.

I would expect much of that is from being moved regularly and possibly being used while moving. 

If the mechanism was designed for a stationary application and only being moved occasionally putting it on a truck would likely not be good for the gears at all.   

The gears aren't likely large and robust enough to tolerate rough handling while the dish is deployed. 

I expect the service life of an unmodified starlink on an oceangoing boat or ship will be even worse.

That may be one reason that the terminals being sold for marine use cost 5x (?) more.  A lot of stuff needs to be ruggedized, and the gears may be one of them.  I would think that in household use, the gears are rarely engaged, right?

As per the end question, I wouldn't say rarely, but rather infrequently. I *think* the dish goes to neutral and repositions to search after a software update and system reboot, but I've not been outside to see it late at night when it usually happens. I have watched the dish reposition after I've manually activated reboots and stows for my early on frequent adjustments to the pole mount.

So maybe once a week or so for regular home use will see the gears engaged. One hopes that even the standard plastic gears could hold up to that for years, but it is a potential source of failure.

Plus as the system matures software updates may come less frequently.

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Re: Starlink Internet Connection equipment - Home/Office user
« Reply #291 on: 12/14/2022 07:55 pm »
I think the versions used on the cruise ships are fixed in place.

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I think the versions used on the cruise ships are fixed in place.

Correct -- RV Flat Dish, Marine Dish, and Aviation dish are all fixed position -- no motors.

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Re: Starlink Internet Connection equipment - Home/Office user
« Reply #293 on: 12/15/2022 02:54 am »
Didn't one of those ukrainian starlink repairmen try replacing with a metal gear?

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Re: Starlink Internet Connection equipment - Home/Office user
« Reply #294 on: 02/03/2023 03:31 am »
SpaceX Prepares to Test Next-Generation Starlink Dishes

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It looks like SpaceX is already working on next-generation dish hardware for its Starlink satellite internet service, according to FCC documents.

On Tuesday, the FCC granted SpaceX a temporary license to test “new user-terminal hardware.” A document from the company adds the test will cover “next-generation phased array antennas” designed to connect to Starlink satellites.

The hardware will include both fixed position Starlink dishes and those that can be used in motion, such as on a car, boat, or plane. The company plans on testing up to 200 models, featuring dimensions “not to exceed 0.586 by 0.385" meters in size (23 inches by 15.1 inches).

That means hardware will be slightly larger than the second-gen Starlink dish for residential customers, which was introduced in November 2021. It too has a rectangular shape, but with the dimensions at 0.513 by 0.303 meters (20 inches by 11.9 inches). Meanwhile, the first-generation Starlink dish adopted a circular shape with a 23.2-inch diameter.

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