Quote from: t43562 on 09/08/2021 07:41 pmThere must be a lot of ways to "con" people that are easier and a lot more profitable than this one - why not just start another pyramid scam? I think it would add to the "case" to have some evidence. I see they ask for "donations" on their website - so the people who do that know they're getting nothing back from the outset. Seems quite honest to me.You're diving into the psychology of charlatans. Do they really believe in the BS they're peddling? At what point does self-delusion become the equivalent of criminal negligence?The line is usually drawn when you start taking money from others - at which point being a dreamy-eyed and detached from reality is functionally equivalent to being a thief.You're right though that there's a fair chance that these guys are not cynical in what they do. Maybe they really believe. It doesn't matter.Anyway, this discussion really belongs in the Virgin Galactic thread. <ducks>
There must be a lot of ways to "con" people that are easier and a lot more profitable than this one - why not just start another pyramid scam? I think it would add to the "case" to have some evidence. I see they ask for "donations" on their website - so the people who do that know they're getting nothing back from the outset. Seems quite honest to me.
As far as I can tell, Arca have never actually had any SEC-approved stocks or shares. Even if I've just missed it, saying that can lose but not gain value is incredibly scummy.
https://twitter.com/DutchSpace/status/1438574549264699398/photo/2
The launch window for the first EcoRocket flight was set between September 27 - October 12, from the Black Sea with the logistical support of a Navy ship. All expenses associated with this launch are covered from private sources, and no government funding is involved.
https://twitter.com/arcaspace/status/1443227411714355200
Quote from: Fmedici on 06/09/2021 07:25 amhttps://twitter.com/arcaspace/status/1399748278531600395Well if they want to be the "first scam launched in space", I have bad news... I'm fairly sure SPC counts https://spacechain.com/Now, there are absolutely still remaining "firsts" for scam in space - SpaceChain's standalone satellites and ISS node don't exactly cover the whole gamut - but I would expect some more specific statements if they were chasing one of those. Instead, this just comes off as oblivious.I'll refrain from making any statements about the viability of in-space scam or ARCA's June launch date.
https://twitter.com/arcaspace/status/1399748278531600395
On November 2, a working meeting took place between the representatives of ARCA, the Ministry of Transport / Air Transport Directorate, ROMATSA, the Air Force and the Military Aeronautical Authority.Although the presence of the Romanian Civil Aeronautical Authority (AACR) was requested in writing by the State Authority, the director of AACR, Mr. Nicolae Stoica refused to participate or send any representative.The participants reiterated their support for the launch of EcoRocket launches according to the agreements concluded by ARCA with civilian and military structures.ARCA proposed during the meeting approaches to prevent incidents such as that of October 1, 2021, when, following the AACR decision, the launch of EcoRocket was stopped, which led to the demobilization of civilian and military forces involved in the operation and waste of resources.An action plan is currently being defined, with a first planned launch in January 2022 on the Black Sea. Technical details will be announced later this month.
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=115696810908798&set=ecnf.100074054391728QuoteOn November 2, a working meeting took place between the representatives of ARCA, the Ministry of Transport / Air Transport Directorate, ROMATSA, the Air Force and the Military Aeronautical Authority.Although the presence of the Romanian Civil Aeronautical Authority (AACR) was requested in writing by the State Authority, the director of AACR, Mr. Nicolae Stoica refused to participate or send any representative.The participants reiterated their support for the launch of EcoRocket launches according to the agreements concluded by ARCA with civilian and military structures.ARCA proposed during the meeting approaches to prevent incidents such as that of October 1, 2021, when, following the AACR decision, the launch of EcoRocket was stopped, which led to the demobilization of civilian and military forces involved in the operation and waste of resources.An action plan is currently being defined, with a first planned launch in January 2022 on the Black Sea. Technical details will be announced later this month.
Anyone with any insight into Romanian politics care to unpack this? Regardless of the practicality of ARCA's rocket, what is the rationale for AACR to refuse to participate? Or is that in itself the rationale?
Quote from: Mandella on 11/06/2021 07:19 pmAnyone with any insight into Romanian politics care to unpack this? Regardless of the practicality of ARCA's rocket, what is the rationale for AACR to refuse to participate? Or is that in itself the rationale?Yes, its a bit of a mystery. I thought it might be because Mr. Nicolae Stoica could be prejudiced against space exploration, but he's an aerospace engineer with a master's degree in propulsion systems.https://www.caa.ro/stiri/news/aacr-%E2%80%93-nicolae-stoica-este-noul-director-general-al-autorit%C4%83%C8%9Bii-aeronautice-civile-rom%C3%A2ne
Following the ARCA notification regarding the activity of the director general of the Romanian Civil Aeronautical Authority (AACR), Mr. Nicolae Stoica, in connection with the approval of the launch of EcoRocket, the Prime Minister's Control Corps performs verifications at the headquarters of this institution.Also, the Control Corps carries out verifications regarding the activity of the president of the Romanian Space Agency, Mr. Marius Ioan-Piso, in relation to the press statements of his reign at ARCA and of the EcoRocket program.
Based on ARCA’s complaint against the AACR managing director Nicolae Stoica, a commission from the Prime-Minister’s Office is currently investigating at the Civil Aviation Authority headquarter the incident that lead to the hold of the EcoRocket launch.Also, the same commission is investigating the activity of the Romanian Space Agency president, Marius Ioan-Piso, in relation with his public statements regarding ARCA and the EcoRocket program.
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=115935437551602&set=ecnf.100074054391728QuoteFollowing the ARCA notification regarding the activity of the director general of the Romanian Civil Aeronautical Authority (AACR), Mr. Nicolae Stoica, in connection with the approval of the launch of EcoRocket, the Prime Minister's Control Corps performs verifications at the headquarters of this institution.Also, the Control Corps carries out verifications regarding the activity of the president of the Romanian Space Agency, Mr. Marius Ioan-Piso, in relation to the press statements of his reign at ARCA and of the EcoRocket program.https://www.instagram.com/p/CV97AY5svvZ/QuoteBased on ARCA’s complaint against the AACR managing director Nicolae Stoica, a commission from the Prime-Minister’s Office is currently investigating at the Civil Aviation Authority headquarter the incident that lead to the hold of the EcoRocket launch.Also, the same commission is investigating the activity of the Romanian Space Agency president, Marius Ioan-Piso, in relation with his public statements regarding ARCA and the EcoRocket program.
Quote from: Jrcraft on 11/08/2021 01:46 amhttps://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=115935437551602&set=ecnf.100074054391728QuoteFollowing the ARCA notification regarding the activity of the director general of the Romanian Civil Aeronautical Authority (AACR), Mr. Nicolae Stoica, in connection with the approval of the launch of EcoRocket, the Prime Minister's Control Corps performs verifications at the headquarters of this institution.Also, the Control Corps carries out verifications regarding the activity of the president of the Romanian Space Agency, Mr. Marius Ioan-Piso, in relation to the press statements of his reign at ARCA and of the EcoRocket program.https://www.instagram.com/p/CV97AY5svvZ/QuoteBased on ARCA’s complaint against the AACR managing director Nicolae Stoica, a commission from the Prime-Minister’s Office is currently investigating at the Civil Aviation Authority headquarter the incident that lead to the hold of the EcoRocket launch.Also, the same commission is investigating the activity of the Romanian Space Agency president, Marius Ioan-Piso, in relation with his public statements regarding ARCA and the EcoRocket program.Translated from: https://www.libertatea.ro/stiri/racheta-romaneasca-o-lansare-cu-multe-necunoscute-presedintele-space-exploration-romania-vor-fi-eroii-mei-in-viata-daca-va-functiona-3630692-- Conflict with the space agency Marius Piso, president of the Romanian Space Agency (ROSA), says the launch is "a marketing action". Marius Piso, President of ROSA: "From our point of view, we are not officially aware of such a launch. It is a marketing, advertising action that lasts for 20 years." ARCA and ROSA have been in conflict for a long time. In 2013, ARCA accused the space agency of distributing funds to customers and made a complaint to the National Anticorruption Directorate. Piso in turn accuses ARCA, saying he did a "circus" after losing the competition for projectsComplicated history Founded in 1999 by engineer Dumitru Popescu, ARCA has a troubled history. In 2014, ARCA established the company ARCA Space Corporation in the United States of America. In America, Dumitru Popescu was arrested and charged in 2017 with financial fraud, but his case was closed in 2018 by prosecutors, after a jury refused to charge him. ARCA has also been at the center of controversy. The organization received a test contract from ESA - the European space agency. The Italian space agency accused that the collapse of the Schiaparelli module on Mars, which took place in October 2016, was caused by poor tests performed by ARCA. The Italians accused ESA of awarding the test contract to an organization that did not have enough expertise. Will it fly or not? In recent years, there have been many controversies about ARCA on Facebook and YouTube. Astrophysicist Scott Manley said on YouTube in 2019 that the ARCA rocket, powered by water and lithium batteries, will not be able to reach space. Classic rockets that reach space use as fuel a number of combinations between: liquid oxygen and hydrogen, liquid oxygen and kerosene, liquid oxygen and methane. Andrei Ileanu, the president of the Space Exploration Romania community, is almost certain that the ARCA rocket will not fly. "The aerospike engine (which narrows towards the end - n.r.) never flew. I don't think he'll get up. They will be my living heroes if it works ", said Ileanu.
