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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #740 on: 09/02/2022 08:36 pm »
The fact that they're cutting prices and that there is no wait list anywhere in Europe means that it's not selling well at all.

Which makes a whole lot of sense - Europe has high population density and excellent wired infrastructure so there are cheaper alternatives nearly everywhere.

Is the suggestion that this is a surprise or somehow a disappointment? This was always known and emphasised - that Starlink is meant for rural areas without broadband coverage.

In geographically smaller, more developed countries the demand will obviously be lower.

The price drops are because the satellites are experiencing effective “dead time” when they are travelling over areas without large subscriber numbers. So in these areas any additional revenue will come with very little additional cost to SpaceX, as the satellites have excess capacity. As opposed to the US where those same satellites experience much more demand congestion.

So almost any additional revenue they can tap from these low demand parts of the globe go straight to the profit line (roughly speaking).

Of course, SpaceX is profitable to provide services at a lower price in countries that are in their service area, but you need to remember that the terminal is now sold below cost (and it is growing due to inflation) and in each country there are operating costs for maintaining the gateway and technical support services, so it makes no sense to come to the country for new  1000 users

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« Reply #741 on: 09/04/2022 03:39 am »
How Elon Musk’s Starlink satellite internet keeps Ukraine online

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Among the Ukrainian military, Elon Musk, the richest tech entrepreneur in the U.S., is often half-jokingly referred to as “Saint Elon.”

The reason is Starlink, Musk’s satellite communication system that keeps many Ukrainians, most importantly the military, online despite power outages and Russia’s attacks on the country's internet infrastructure.

Starlink allows access to the internet even during power outages or in the absence of other internet infrastructure. It is also more secure than other types of communication: Experts say that it’s nearly impossible for Russian troops to intercept.

It is also easy to use – it takes Ukrainian soldiers just up to 20 minutes to install a Starlink dish and connect to satellite internet, according to Eugene, a drone operator from Kharkiv. He declined to give his last name for security reasons.

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« Reply #742 on: 09/05/2022 07:58 pm »
I think I've just seen my first advert for Starlink. Popped up after I ran a speedtest on Ookla.

Cheers, Martin
« Last Edit: 10/06/2022 07:17 am by zubenelgenubi »

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« Reply #743 on: 09/07/2022 03:55 am »
Starlink Maritime deployed on the most Instagrammed superyacht

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Starlink Maritime has been deployed on the world’s most Instagrammed superyacht,  Motor Yacht Loon. Loon has an Instagram following of almost 62,000 followers at the time of this article. I spoke with Loon’s captain, Paul Clarke and he shared his experience with Starlink Maritime with Teslarati.

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The speeds, he said, are consistently in the 150-200 Mbps and he only pays $5,000 per month which is a lot less expensive than his previous internet service provider.

“Previously we had Viasat which we considered good with speeds of around 40-80Mbs for $10,000 per month and about $50,000 in equipment.”

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« Reply #744 on: 09/08/2022 06:09 pm »
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1567930757473091584

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We’ve had some promising conversations with Apple about Starlink connectivity. iPhone team is obv super smart.

For sure, closing link from space to phone will work best if phone software & hardware adapt to space-based signals vs Starlink purely emulating cell tower.

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« Reply #745 on: 09/12/2022 02:16 am »
JSX details Starlink aircraft activation plans

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JSX currently has two aircraft flying with the Starlink hardware on board. The systems are online for testing, but not available yet to passengers. At least one of the fitted aircraft does not appear to be flying regular scheduled service yet.

Wilcox expects that the system will come online for passengers in October. The carrier will also unveil a special livery to celebrate the project in November.

With just a couple dozen planes active, and an install time of two or three days each, JSX anticipates the full fleet will be connected before the end of the year.

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« Reply #746 on: 09/12/2022 06:10 am »
JSX details Starlink aircraft activation plans

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JSX currently has two aircraft flying with the Starlink hardware on board. The systems are online for testing, but not available yet to passengers. At least one of the fitted aircraft does not appear to be flying regular scheduled service yet.

Wilcox expects that the system will come online for passengers in October. The carrier will also unveil a special livery to celebrate the project in November.

With just a couple dozen planes active, and an install time of two or three days each, JSX anticipates the full fleet will be connected before the end of the year.

What’s the status of ocean coverage at the moment? What percentage of Starlink sats now have laser links, and how many actually need laser links before a rudimentary network can cover most of the ocean, most of the time?

Meaning, only one satellite in range of a ship or aircraft needs a laserlink in order to reach another distant satellite with a laser link, until one can reach a ground station.

So I’m guessing you might only need laser links on say 1 in 3 satellites (or less?) to have basic global coverage. Correct?
« Last Edit: 09/12/2022 06:14 am by M.E.T. »

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« Reply #747 on: 09/12/2022 06:20 am »
JSX details Starlink aircraft activation plans

Quote from: paxex.aero
JSX currently has two aircraft flying with the Starlink hardware on board. The systems are online for testing, but not available yet to passengers. At least one of the fitted aircraft does not appear to be flying regular scheduled service yet.

Wilcox expects that the system will come online for passengers in October. The carrier will also unveil a special livery to celebrate the project in November.

With just a couple dozen planes active, and an install time of two or three days each, JSX anticipates the full fleet will be connected before the end of the year.

Starlink for Star Alliance is a low hanging fruit for PR...

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« Reply #748 on: 09/13/2022 01:52 am »
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1569334875215515648

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Starlink Business is now available in France, Germany, Italy, and the UK

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« Reply #749 on: 09/14/2022 02:15 am »
Speedcast is now a Starlink reseller for enterprise and maritime...

https://spacenews.com/speedcast-nets-first-starlink-reseller-deal-for-enterprise-and-maritime/

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« Reply #750 on: 09/14/2022 03:56 am »
What’s the status of ocean coverage at the moment? What percentage of Starlink sats now have laser links, and how many actually need laser links before a rudimentary network can cover most of the ocean, most of the time?

They've said they'll introduce service with ISL early next year.  Most of the Shell 4 sats (all of which should have ISL) should be in position by then (53.2 degree inclination)

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« Reply #752 on: 09/14/2022 03:55 pm »
https://twitter.com/spacex/status/1570073223005622274

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Starlink is now on all seven continents! In such a remote location like Antarctica, this capability is enabled by Starlink's space laser network

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« Reply #753 on: 09/15/2022 03:07 am »
Antarctica is coming!
https://twitter.com/NSF/status/1570057199270957056?t=Uh_8uOG3IhZ6sDuUr4cBzw&s=19

McMurdo is at 77 degrees south though, so the quick question is can it reach closer to the south pole for other bases?

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« Reply #754 on: 09/15/2022 03:44 am »
Antarctica is coming!

McMurdo is at 77 degrees south though, so the quick question is can it reach closer to the south pole for other bases?
They do not appear to have a teleport in Antarctica, so this service depends on ISL links. At lat 77 south, McMurdo is being served by the high-inclination shell (group 3) at inclination of 97.6 degrees. With ISL, any terminal that can see a satellite can get service: the terminal does not need to be "in range" of a teleport. The satellites will pass overhead for any terminal at latitudes as high as 82.4S. These satellites are at 540 km, so you get approximately another 540 km (about 270 NM or  4.8 degrees) closer to the pole if the footprint allows you to use a satellite at 45 degree azimuth: so you get up to 87.2 degrees. To get all the way to the pole, some of the satellites will need to "tilt" their beams southward a bit and the terminal will need to be looking nearer to the horizon. This is possible because the satellite density is so high near the pole that you can afford to tilt half of them. I have not done the trigonometry to see if you can actually get all the way to the pole from a satellite on the horizon. The actual terminal may need to use two or three antennas mounted nearly vertically if it is above about 82.4S.

All of this is also true for terminals near the North pole.

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« Reply #755 on: 09/15/2022 03:53 pm »
Now that Antarctica was announced - to repeat my question:
- who regulates frequencies over Antarctica, what are the requirements, etc.?
- who regulates frequencies over international waters, what are the requirements, etc.?

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« Reply #756 on: 09/15/2022 05:35 pm »
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« Reply #757 on: 09/15/2022 05:41 pm »
At the pole the maximum elevation of a Starlink sat should be 31.7°.

How long an individual satellite will be above the horizon or above 25° is too big a calculation for my envelope*, but at the very least there will be frequent intermittent communications suitable for email and transferring files.

*Truthfully, it fit on the envelope, but got an obviously wrong answer.

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« Reply #758 on: 09/15/2022 05:56 pm »
At the pole the maximum elevation of a Starlink sat should be 31.7°.

How long an individual satellite will be above the horizon or above 25° is too big a calculation for my envelope*, but at the very least there will be frequent intermittent communications suitable for email and transferring files.

*Truthfully, it fit on the envelope, but got an obviously wrong answer.
Because all of the 97° orbits converge near the pole, there will be eight or more satellites in the sky surrounding the pole simultaneously. Unless they deliberately phase them to all be at max elevation at the same time you would expect at least one of them to be at or above 25°.

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« Reply #759 on: 09/15/2022 06:03 pm »
One og the major items here is that McMurdo is currently at the end of their coldest worst weather conditions for an outdoor system to operate in. Also that SpaceX has some low production rate builds (probably at the moment prototypes) of terminals that have severe temperature (as in very cold) capability. These would be classed as military class terminals usable in arctic weather conditions.

The sheer quantities of terminals has allowed SpaceX to rapidly tests and iterate terminal designs expanding their capabilities and surviveability in severe environment conditions.

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