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« Reply #620 on: 06/03/2022 03:08 pm »
https://twitter.com/nz_liam/status/1532552996630200320

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So Starlink have just turned on their NZ pop (today it seems), they have two 100G Ports on AKL-IX, and are using HE for everything else...

Want to get to Spark domestically? It goes via Sydney. So a mix of good and bad, but also thats Spark's fault not Starlink's.

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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #621 on: 06/12/2022 01:51 am »
https://twitter.com/Megaconstellati/status/1535551173662593024

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🇩🇪 Despite opposition from GEO satellite operators incl. @eutelsat German lawmakers transpose Directive (EU) 2018/1972 into a national ordinance for universal broadband service giving citizens a legal right to a mere 10Mbps down & 1.7Mbps up but 150ms RTD.

https://www.rnd.de/politik/grundrecht-auf-internet-in-deutschland-neue-verordnung-schreibt-mindestens-10-mbits-vor-HAM25G5QFHAP3CCHDKOR277234.html

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« Reply #622 on: 06/12/2022 01:52 am »
Royal Caribbean wants to add Elon Musk's Starlink high-speed internet to its cruise ships

Quote from: royalcaribbeanblog.com
There could be a new generation of high-speed internet coming to Royal Caribbean's cruise ships.

Based on regulatory filings, it appears Royal Caribbean is engaged with SpaceX’s satellite internet system Starlink to provide internet service for its ships.

A new filing with the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) on Friday details a plan to bring the new type of internet to cruise ships.

The letter was sent to the FCC by Royal Caribbean Group Vice President of Operational Excellence, John Maya, to ask the agency to "expeditiously" approve a new plan to use Starlink on Royal Caribbean ships.

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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #623 on: 06/12/2022 06:08 am »
Royal Caribbean wants to add Elon Musk's Starlink high-speed internet to its cruise ships

Quote from: royalcaribbeanblog.com
There could be a new generation of high-speed internet coming to Royal Caribbean's cruise ships.

Based on regulatory filings, it appears Royal Caribbean is engaged with SpaceX’s satellite internet system Starlink to provide internet service for its ships.

A new filing with the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) on Friday details a plan to bring the new type of internet to cruise ships.

The letter was sent to the FCC by Royal Caribbean Group Vice President of Operational Excellence, John Maya, to ask the agency to "expeditiously" approve a new plan to use Starlink on Royal Caribbean ships.
Perhaps with the exception of Harmony of the Seas. /sarcasm
https://www.floridatoday.com/story/money/business/2022/01/31/coast-guard-begins-investigation-royal-caribbean-ship-caused-spacex-scrub/9287700002/

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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #624 on: 06/12/2022 07:23 am »
Royal Caribbean wants to add Elon Musk's Starlink high-speed internet to its cruise ships

Quote from: royalcaribbeanblog.com
There could be a new generation of high-speed internet coming to Royal Caribbean's cruise ships.

Based on regulatory filings, it appears Royal Caribbean is engaged with SpaceX’s satellite internet system Starlink to provide internet service for its ships.

A new filing with the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) on Friday details a plan to bring the new type of internet to cruise ships.

The letter was sent to the FCC by Royal Caribbean Group Vice President of Operational Excellence, John Maya, to ask the agency to "expeditiously" approve a new plan to use Starlink on Royal Caribbean ships.

Could SpaceX also use Cruise ships as oceanic ground stations while waiting for laser links te become operational?

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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #625 on: 06/12/2022 07:39 am »
Royal Caribbean wants to add Elon Musk's Starlink high-speed internet to its cruise ships

Quote from: royalcaribbeanblog.com
There could be a new generation of high-speed internet coming to Royal Caribbean's cruise ships.

Based on regulatory filings, it appears Royal Caribbean is engaged with SpaceX’s satellite internet system Starlink to provide internet service for its ships.

A new filing with the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) on Friday details a plan to bring the new type of internet to cruise ships.

The letter was sent to the FCC by Royal Caribbean Group Vice President of Operational Excellence, John Maya, to ask the agency to "expeditiously" approve a new plan to use Starlink on Royal Caribbean ships.

Could SpaceX also use Cruise ships as oceanic ground stations while waiting for laser links te become operational?

No - ground stations need to be located in places that can move large amounts of data to the rest of the internet. Usually, that means datacenters and similar telco facilities.

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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #626 on: 06/12/2022 07:53 am »
Could SpaceX also use Cruise ships as oceanic ground stations while waiting for laser links te become operational?
No - ground stations need to be located in places that can move large amounts of data to the rest of the internet. Usually, that means datacenters and similar telco facilities.

 I imagine he's talking about using ships as relays.
« Last Edit: 06/12/2022 07:54 am by Nomadd »
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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #627 on: 06/12/2022 09:27 am »
Could SpaceX also use Cruise ships as oceanic ground stations while waiting for laser links te become operational?
No - ground stations need to be located in places that can move large amounts of data to the rest of the internet. Usually, that means datacenters and similar telco facilities.

 I imagine he's talking about using ships as relays.

Yep.

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« Reply #628 on: 06/12/2022 05:53 pm »

No - ground stations need to be located in places that can move large amounts of data to the rest of the internet. Usually, that means datacenters and similar telco facilities.
Gound stations are sited where its cheap to run a fiber-optic cable, on land that is cheap and that has an unobstructed view of the sky in all (relevant) directions. They also need reasonably cheap and reliable power.
Data centers have some but not all of the same requirements, so data centers are sometimes good candidate sites.  Really big data centers are sometimes sited to take advantage of cooling water, not needed for teleports. Teleports are sometimes sensitive to local climate effects (e.g., the east side of a mountain range is less rainy than the west side) that do not affect data centers.

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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #629 on: 06/13/2022 06:01 am »
https://twitter.com/thecruisejunkie/status/1536177503399776258

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Breaking news! Royal Caribbean ship, Freedom OTS has got a set of #Starlink dishes onboard and the system will undergo testing soon, as quoted in a post by Singapore Cruise Society. 📸: Facundo Giacobbe/SCS

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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #630 on: 06/13/2022 02:14 pm »
https://twitter.com/airlineflyer/status/1536345951354298368

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.@SpaceX breaking into the airline connectivity space, and here’s a first look at the phased array Starlink antenna it’s testing.

Can deliver 500 Mbps down, 40-50 up with this antenna with 400w peak power consumption.

Two customers signed up now, @flyjsx & @HawaiianAir #PEC2022

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« Reply #631 on: 06/19/2022 02:33 am »
https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/1537406071450521603

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EU telecom advisor @BERECeuropaeu: There's not enough sat-brdbnd for EU universal-service mandate now. But private sector will have > enough by 2024/25. @Eutelsat_SA @ViasatInc @AvantiComms @SES_Satellites @SpaceX Starlink @OneWeb @defis_eu @Amazon Kuiper.https://bit.ly/3xXiicg

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« Reply #632 on: 06/19/2022 02:42 am »
Starlink Scuttlebutt: Skepticism and Support

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Perhaps most notable were murmurs that Hawaiian Airlines already cancelled its plans to put Starlink on board. Backing out of an announcement just seven weeks old would, indeed, be a major shift.

Kris Tanahara, Hawaiian’s Managing Director of Corporate Communications says that’s not at all the case. The carrier continues in its “initial stages of implementation and expects to begin installing the product on select aircraft next year.”

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Still, one North American airline suggested the easier relationship terms and the sky high promises are too good to ignore. “Even if it works just a quarter of what they’re promising, it is still better than what we can get from anyone else.”

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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #633 on: 06/30/2022 02:20 am »
I tried Elon Musk's Starlink internet on a Royal Caribbean cruise ship

Quote from: royalcaribbeanblog.com
I went on Royal Caribbean’s Freedom of the Seas to put the SpaceX's Starlink satellite internet to the test.

Royal Caribbean's Wi-Fi speeds have been hit or miss, depending on the ship. Even ships with the higher speeds (typically new ships), it was still slower than our internet at home.

For those of us that don't completely disconnect on cruises, it is often frustrating to get websites and videos to load, and even connect with friends and family at home. I considered it a cost of cruising, as being on a ship in the middle of the sea doesn't give you many options.

That is, until now. 

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« Reply #634 on: 06/30/2022 03:12 am »
SpaceX Works to Educate Airlines on Virtues of Starlink and LEO In-flight Connectivity

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Hofeller [Starlink Vice President of Commercial Sales Jonathan Hofeller at Connected Aviation Intelligence conference earlier this month] said many airlines currently have a view that technologies such as IFC should be upgraded only every 10 to 12 years. “That’s completely misaligned with how technology develops,” he said, adding: “If you’re ultimately looking at what the best thing is for the passenger experience, you have to have the flexibility to get the best product for them” as soon as it is available.

Hofeller predicted airlines will be convinced when Starlink’s services are on aircraft and “we show airlines the technology and what can be done.” He added: “The product that we have is simple, it’s lightweight, easy to install, and easy to de-install.”

He said Starlink’s LEO satellite constellation will continue to grow and provide increasingly robust coverage. The company is building eight satellites a day at its Seattle-area manufacturing facility. Hofeller added that Starlink is telling airlines it will handle all aspects of its service, enabling fast troubleshooting.
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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #635 on: 07/07/2022 07:25 pm »
https://twitter.com/spacex/status/1545126491364528128

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Starlink Maritime allows you to connect from some of the most remote waters in the world → starlink.com/maritime

https://twitter.com/spacex/status/1545126999219286017

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In addition to withstanding extreme cold, heat, hail, sleet, heavy rain, and gale force winds, Starlink is rugged enough to withstand rocket landings. Here’s live video captured on a SpaceX droneship at sea with and without Starlink
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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #636 on: 07/07/2022 07:29 pm »
https://twitter.com/nextspaceflight/status/1545127431790403584

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SpaceX has released a document explaining how they used Starlink to improve Falcon 9 landing video.

Also, neat picture.
https://api.starlink.com/public-files/SpaceXNavyStarlink-case-study.pdf
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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #637 on: 07/08/2022 02:03 am »
https://twitter.com/amlewis4/status/1545157984514236416?s=21&t=_HOwlxAhwt69ehAWhTlu2Q

So this seems significant. How big is the potential maritime market? 10,000 boats/ships world wide? 100,000?

At the quoted $5000/month, 10,000 customers gives you $600M annual revenue. If it’s 100,000 customers, that’s $6B annual revenue. A factor of 2-3 more than SpaceX’s entire launch revenue per year.

100,000 boats, worldwide, does not seem unreasonable. But I have no real idea of the size of the recreational boating industry.
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« Reply #638 on: 07/08/2022 02:29 am »
https://twitter.com/amlewis4/status/1545157984514236416?s=21&t=_HOwlxAhwt69ehAWhTlu2Q

So this seems significant. How big is the potential maritime market? 10,000 boats/ships world wide? 100,000?

At the quoted $5000/month, 10,000 customers gives you $600M annual revenue. If it’s 100,000 customers, that’s $6B annual revenue. A factor of 2-3 more than SpaceX’s entire launch revenue per year.

100,000 boats, worldwide, does not seem unreasonable. But I have no real idea of the size of the recreational boating industry.

At that $5000 a month cost, that will take most of the recreational boating populace firmly out of the market, don’t you think?  Not saying there isn’t a huge market for it, but I think at that price it won’t be recreational boaters

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« Reply #639 on: 07/08/2022 02:33 am »
$5k a month is a bit much for regular houseboats/liveaboards (who would probably just get the regular mobile/RV option), but any luxury yacht is going to have Starlink as a standard feature from now on.


But for many commercial operators (IMO registered and not skeezy), this could be justified for remote support and crew comfort. Though performance in storm conditions may be problematic, exactly when you want remote support.

Don't forget all the moves to remote operated or unmanned cargo shipping. This lays the groundwork for that. For a similar regulated industry, smaller airports are starting tests for outsourcing tower operations to virtual tower centers, using remote video.

Also, with ISL operational, this also opens up every oil rig to vastly improved communication speeds. It could easily be a defining perk for oil rig crews, causing them to jump to other companies. Oil rigs already spend a lot of money on creature comforts and food to support their crews. Being able to Facetime your loved ones easily is kinda big.

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