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« Reply #480 on: 01/19/2022 09:58 pm »
Pakistan is next to halt Starlink preorders [dated Jan. 19]

Quote from: SpaceNews
Pakistan has followed India in ordering SpaceX to stop taking preorders for Starlink broadband services within its borders without a license.

The Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) said in a Jan. 19 news release that “Starlink has neither applied for nor obtained any license from PTA to operate and provide internet services” in the country.

The telecoms regulator advised the general public to refrain from pre-booking the service in Pakistan through Starlink or associated websites.

“The directions came in the wake of reports that Starlink, through its website, is asking intended subscribers to pay a deposit of USD 99 (refundable) as pre-order for equipment/services,” PTA said.

“PTA has already taken up the matter with Starlink to stop taking pre-order bookings from intended consumers with immediate effect as the Company has not been granted any license for provision of internet services in Pakistan.”

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« Reply #481 on: 02/02/2022 06:20 am »
https://twitter.com/Megaconstellati/status/1488092445388726278

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Since 9/2020 @Spacex has formed new subsidiaries in 25 nations :
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« Reply #482 on: 02/03/2022 01:06 am »
https://stockhead.com.au/tech/is-telstra-prepping-for-a-space-war-with-elon-musks-starlink/

Viasat trying to take on Starlink in Australia.

It would seem to me that Australia is the perfect market for Starlink, where rollout can be ramped up immediately, even with the V1 sats still in play.

Not sure what the total number of Australian subscribers is at the moment, but logically they should be able to fill up the available cells very quickly, as a nice bonus revenue stream to the apparently congested US service.

Don’t see how Viasat can compete with that.
« Last Edit: 02/03/2022 01:08 am by M.E.T. »

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« Reply #483 on: 02/03/2022 12:26 pm »
https://stockhead.com.au/tech/is-telstra-prepping-for-a-space-war-with-elon-musks-starlink/

Viasat trying to take on Starlink in Australia
//The third satellite, which will provide service to the APAC region – including Australia – will be ready to ship to its launch provider six months after the EMEA satellite, (though Telstra is only supporting the Australian arm of the project). The Viasat satellite will offer more than 1Tbps of total network capacity  delivering data and video streaming speeds of more than 150Mbps.

Viasat-3  has global coverage , 1 TBPS is for all sites in this coverage  and Australia is good place for GateWay for this Sat. Mostly service will be offer for planes and ships. and for  countrues like Philippin. Indonesia. Papua ..

People in this countries are poor . 100 usd/month  is too much

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« Reply #484 on: 02/05/2022 12:48 pm »
US needs to temper reliance on at-risk undersea internet cables, satellites can help: Aerospace

Quote from: breakingdefense.com
“Undersea cable infrastructure is ripe for sabotage,” said Karen Jones, one of the authors of the study. She spoke to Breaking Defense news along with co-author Lori Gordon in an interview Wednesday.

The study, “Global Communications Infrastructure: Undersea and Beyond,” concludes that while the US should increase protection efforts, it also needs to look at how other types of communications infrastructure can be utilized and protected to provide alternate pathways for this traffic.

“Government and industry should continue to secure the communications enterprise—including undersea, terrestrial, air, and satellite segments,” the study states.

In particular, the study finds that new, high-capacity broadband satellites could provide backup for undersea cable infrastructure (UCI). These include the emerging mega-constellations in Low Earth Orbit (LEO) such as SpaceX’s Starlink and Amazon’s Project Kuiper.

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« Reply #485 on: 02/05/2022 12:53 pm »
SpaceX engineers in Fiji for six months

Quote from: fbcnews.com.fj
Minister for Communications, Aiyaz Sayed-Khaiyum confirmed to FBC News that the team from SpaceX are here to work on an internet gateway for the Kingdom of Tonga.

This is in response to the underwater volcanic eruption which has damaged the undersea fibre optic cable, leaving Tonga without reliable internet connectivity.

Sayed-Khaiyum adds the engineers from SpaceX will establish and operate a temporary ground station in Fiji for six months.

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« Reply #486 on: 02/05/2022 04:48 pm »
US needs to temper reliance on at-risk undersea internet cables, satellites can help: Aerospace

Quote from: breakingdefense.com
“Undersea cable infrastructure is ripe for sabotage,” said Karen Jones, one of the authors of the study. She spoke to Breaking Defense news along with co-author Lori Gordon in an interview Wednesday.

The study, “Global Communications Infrastructure: Undersea and Beyond,” concludes that while the US should increase protection efforts, it also needs to look at how other types of communications infrastructure can be utilized and protected to provide alternate pathways for this traffic.

“Government and industry should continue to secure the communications enterprise—including undersea, terrestrial, air, and satellite segments,” the study states.

In particular, the study finds that new, high-capacity broadband satellites could provide backup for undersea cable infrastructure (UCI). These include the emerging mega-constellations in Low Earth Orbit (LEO) such as SpaceX’s Starlink and Amazon’s Project Kuiper.
Absolutely wrong. LEO systems have cells with a radius of 900 km and their gateways are tied to fiber . To replace fiber, trunk channels are needed through geostationary satellites through which all international telephone traffic went 25 years ago..

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« Reply #487 on: 02/05/2022 04:50 pm »
US needs to temper reliance on at-risk undersea internet cables, satellites can help: Aerospace

Quote from: breakingdefense.com
“Undersea cable infrastructure is ripe for sabotage,” said Karen Jones, one of the authors of the study. She spoke to Breaking Defense news along with co-author Lori Gordon in an interview Wednesday.

The study, “Global Communications Infrastructure: Undersea and Beyond,” concludes that while the US should increase protection efforts, it also needs to look at how other types of communications infrastructure can be utilized and protected to provide alternate pathways for this traffic.

“Government and industry should continue to secure the communications enterprise—including undersea, terrestrial, air, and satellite segments,” the study states.

In particular, the study finds that new, high-capacity broadband satellites could provide backup for undersea cable infrastructure (UCI). These include the emerging mega-constellations in Low Earth Orbit (LEO) such as SpaceX’s Starlink and Amazon’s Project Kuiper.
Absolutely wrong. LEO systems have cells with a radius of 900 km and their gateways are tied to fiber . To replace fiber, trunk channels are needed through geostationary satellites through which all international telephone traffic went 25 years ago..

Not with ISLs.

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« Reply #488 on: 02/05/2022 11:40 pm »
US needs to temper reliance on at-risk undersea internet cables, satellites can help: Aerospace

Quote from: breakingdefense.com
“Undersea cable infrastructure is ripe for sabotage,” said Karen Jones, one of the authors of the study. She spoke to Breaking Defense news along with co-author Lori Gordon in an interview Wednesday.

The study, “Global Communications Infrastructure: Undersea and Beyond,” concludes that while the US should increase protection efforts, it also needs to look at how other types of communications infrastructure can be utilized and protected to provide alternate pathways for this traffic.

“Government and industry should continue to secure the communications enterprise—including undersea, terrestrial, air, and satellite segments,” the study states.

In particular, the study finds that new, high-capacity broadband satellites could provide backup for undersea cable infrastructure (UCI). These include the emerging mega-constellations in Low Earth Orbit (LEO) such as SpaceX’s Starlink and Amazon’s Project Kuiper.
Absolutely wrong. LEO systems have cells with a radius of 900 km and their gateways are tied to fiber . To replace fiber, trunk channels are needed through geostationary satellites through which all international telephone traffic went 25 years ago..

1. Not true when LEO sats will have inter-satellite laser links.

2. Either way the capacity (whether through LEO or GEO) would be a pathetic fraction of the lost capacity of those optical fibers - I work with telco core (backbone) networks and what my previous employer had in a single major optical cable absolutely dwarfed capacity of even top-of-the-line GEO satellies.

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« Reply #489 on: 02/06/2022 08:12 am »
Elon Musk's Starlink granted license to operate in Brazil

Brazil's National Telecommunications Agency (Anatel) granted Starlink the right to operate in the country. The orbital satellite network, owned by spaceflight firm SpaceX, received the authorization on Friday, with exploitation rights running until 2027. Anatel considered granting the rights until 2033, but decided to shorten the time span of the authorization given the venture's "pioneering nature" and "possible unforeseen impacts."

According to Anatel, consumers will be able to access the satellite-based broadband if companies buy capacity from the satellite network, or if existing sector players obtain authorization to operate in the field.

"It is in the company's interest to provide internet access to customers throughout the Brazilian territory, which will certainly be very opportune for schools, hospitals, and other establishments located in rural and remote areas," said Anatel's interim president, Emmanoel Campelo.

The firm will operate through a legal entity set up in Brazil about a year before the license to operate was granted. Anatel noted Starlink will not have the right to protection, and cannot cause service interference with other satellite systems. The authorization for Musk's company to operate in Brazil follows a meeting between the entrepreneur and Brazilian communications minister Fabio Faria in November 2021. At the meeting, Faria and Musk discussed opportunities around the use of technology for connectivity projects in the Latin country.

The idea was to secure an agreement to use SpaceX's technology in the context of Wi-Fi Brazil, a program that aims to boost connectivity in remote locations. According to the Ministry of Communications, the technology could also be used to monitor fires and logging in the Amazon rainforest.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/elon-musks-starlink-granted-license-to-operate-in-brazil/#:~:text=The%20company%20will%20be%20able,based%20broadband%20service%20until%202027.&text=Angelica%20Mari%20is%20a%20Brazil,about%20technology%20two%20years%20later.

According to Anatel, consumers will be able to access the satellite-based broadband if companies buy capacity from the satellite network, or if existing sector players obtain authorization to operate in the field. 
Do I understand correctly that there will be no direct contract between StarLink and a private user? But will there be intermediaries of the company, who will buy the capacity in bulk from StarLink and resell it to private customers?
« Last Edit: 02/06/2022 08:18 am by vsatman »

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« Reply #490 on: 02/06/2022 09:09 am »
2. Either way the capacity (whether through LEO or GEO) would be a pathetic fraction of the lost capacity of those optical fibers - I work with telco core (backbone) networks and what my previous employer had in a single major optical cable absolutely dwarfed capacity of even top-of-the-line GEO satellies.
A pathetic fraction of the lost capacity is still a useful backup.  There is a far bigger difference between 0 and 1Mbit/s than between 1Mbit/s and 1Tbit/s

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« Reply #491 on: 02/06/2022 12:41 pm »
Tonga would find Starlink with ISL very very useful right now.

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« Reply #492 on: 02/06/2022 07:00 pm »
Tonga would find Starlink with ISL very very useful right now.
Or a ground station on Fiji. 

Perhaps not close enough for continuous coverage, but workable for email and file transfer.  Tonga is not Tristan da Cunha.

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« Reply #493 on: 02/06/2022 08:27 pm »
SpaceX engineers in Fiji for six months

Quote from: fbcnews.com.fj
Minister for Communications, Aiyaz Sayed-Khaiyum confirmed to FBC News that the team from SpaceX are here to work on an internet gateway for the Kingdom of Tonga.

This is in response to the underwater volcanic eruption which has damaged the undersea fibre optic cable, leaving Tonga without reliable internet connectivity.

Sayed-Khaiyum adds the engineers from SpaceX will establish and operate a temporary ground station in Fiji for six months.
This is pretty awesome of Elon and SpaceX and Fiji. I wonder when it will first be operational?

I wonder if you can use standard Starlink terminals as a crude gateway, as well? If so, this could be operational in days, maybe hours after landing (if configured ahead of time).
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« Reply #494 on: 02/07/2022 10:09 am »
I wonder if you can use standard Starlink terminals as a crude gateway, as well? If so, this could be operational in days, maybe hours after landing (if configured ahead of time).
No.  GateWay use  Ka band and UT only Ku band...

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« Reply #495 on: 02/07/2022 12:16 pm »
I wonder if you can use standard Starlink terminals as a crude gateway, as well? If so, this could be operational in days, maybe hours after landing (if configured ahead of time).
No.  GateWay use  Ka band and UT only Ku band...

SpaceX has mentioned the possibility of doing a UT-sat-UT bounce. I don't know if they have implemented whatever hardware and software would be needed for that.

The UTs are a lot easier to transport and setup than the gateways, but it doesn't seem like it would be all that hard to ship a gateway to most places either.

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« Reply #496 on: 02/07/2022 03:24 pm »
US needs to temper reliance on at-risk undersea internet cables, satellites can help: Aerospace

Quote from: breakingdefense.com
“Undersea cable infrastructure is ripe for sabotage,” said Karen Jones, one of the authors of the study. She spoke to Breaking Defense news along with co-author Lori Gordon in an interview Wednesday.

The study, “Global Communications Infrastructure: Undersea and Beyond,” concludes that while the US should increase protection efforts, it also needs to look at how other types of communications infrastructure can be utilized and protected to provide alternate pathways for this traffic.

“Government and industry should continue to secure the communications enterprise—including undersea, terrestrial, air, and satellite segments,” the study states.

In particular, the study finds that new, high-capacity broadband satellites could provide backup for undersea cable infrastructure (UCI). These include the emerging mega-constellations in Low Earth Orbit (LEO) such as SpaceX’s Starlink and Amazon’s Project Kuiper.
Absolutely wrong. LEO systems have cells with a radius of 900 km and their gateways are tied to fiber . To replace fiber, trunk channels are needed through geostationary satellites through which all international telephone traffic went 25 years ago..


1. Not true when LEO sats will have inter-satellite laser links.

2. Either way the capacity (whether through LEO or GEO) would be a pathetic fraction of the lost capacity of those optical fibers - I work with telco core (backbone) networks and what my previous employer had in a single major optical cable absolutely dwarfed capacity of even top-of-the-line GEO satellies.




Inter sat lasers are optical, so they can have very high bandwidth, perhaps comparable with fiber.

The geo connection you mention are in the radio spectrum, so they are inherently lower bandwidth
« Last Edit: 02/07/2022 03:28 pm by freddo411 »

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« Reply #497 on: 02/07/2022 03:35 pm »
I wonder if you can use standard Starlink terminals as a crude gateway, as well? If so, this could be operational in days, maybe hours after landing (if configured ahead of time).
No.  GateWay use  Ka band and UT only Ku band...

SpaceX has mentioned the possibility of doing a UT-sat-UT bounce. I don't know if they have implemented whatever hardware and software would be needed for that.

The UTs are a lot easier to transport and setup than the gateways, but it doesn't seem like it would be all that hard to ship a gateway to most places either.
It's not that hard to design a gateway for rapid deployment, and such gateways may be less expensive even in non-emergency situations. The two big issues are power and the terrestrial connection back to the Internet.  They probably picked Fiji because it still had an undersea fiber connection(?)
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« Reply #498 on: 02/07/2022 05:20 pm »

SpaceX has mentioned the possibility of doing a UT-sat-UT bounce. I don't know if they have implemented whatever hardware and software would be needed for that.

Given the way a packet switching network works I would be very surprised if the hardware wasn't capable of this.  Indeed I think if a spec stated "There shall be no path that allows UT-sat-UT bounce" the design engineers would find it to be one of the harder requirements to meet. 

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« Reply #499 on: 02/07/2022 05:36 pm »
No.  GateWay use  Ka band and UT only Ku band...

SpaceX has mentioned the possibility of doing a UT-sat-UT bounce. I don't know if they have implemented whatever hardware and software would be needed for that.[/quote]

UT-sat-UT may be possible , but what is speed for this transmission?
 Here the main size of the antennas and the power of the transmitter. The Gateway antenna has a diameter of 1.5 m and a 50 W transmitter. Terminal 50 cm and 4 watts. Therefore, the terminal uses 1 channel of 60 MHz for transmission and the gateway uses 8 channels of 500 MHz.

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