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« Reply #460 on: 11/15/2021 02:54 am »
Tesla Starts Installing Starlink Satellite Dishes At Some Of Its Superchargers

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Elon Musk and Tesla are making progress on yet another promise. In October 2021, Elon Musk promised that Tesla’s Superchargers will eventually have free WiFi. He was replying to @JayInShanghai after Jay pointed out that all Superchargers should have WiFi.

Twitter user, Brandon Starr, noticed something different about the Superchargers in Lisbon, Connecticut. He tweeted the photo below noting that Tesla was adding Starlink dishes to the stations. He added that this was the first Starlink dish he’d seen in person and that it would be a great idea for Tesla to use V3 chargers as ground stations during emergencies. Brandon also added, in a followup tweet, that there was WiFi being broadcast called “Tesla.”

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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #461 on: 11/17/2021 02:42 am »
DoD eager to leverage LEO broadband constellations

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The Commercial Satellite Communication Office, known as CSCO, in September released a draft request for proposals for “Proliferated Low Earth Orbit Satellite-based Commercial Services.” A final RFP is expected in spring 2022 and contract awards later in the year.

CSCO Director Clare Grason told SpaceNews the LEO satcom procurement is part of a larger Space Force effort to change how the government buys commercial space services.

The draft RFP drew about 20 responses, she said. This feedback will inform the final RFP and the long-term procurement strategy.

The plan is to select multiple vendors that will compete for up to $875 million worth of orders over 10 years under so-called indefinite delivery, indefinite quantity (IDIQ) contracts. Grason said this type of contract gives government buyers flexibility to upgrade services as providers add new capabilities, and to on-ramp emerging players as they enter the market.


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« Reply #462 on: 11/26/2021 02:12 am »
SpaceX Partners With ‘Fight For Peace' Organization To Provide Free Starlink Internet To A Low-Income Community In Brazil

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SpaceX partnered with global non-profit organization Fight for Peace (‘Luta Pela Paz’) to provide free Starlink internet to a low-income community in Brazil, according to a regulatory document the company filed with the National Telecommunications Agency of Brazil [ANATEL] on Monday, November 22. The organization is dedicated to support young people get an education to reach their full potential in underprivileged communities affected by crime and violence.

“Through the NGO Fight for Peace, Starlink would like to demonstrate its equipment and services by connecting a student community center. It provides educational resources for more than 40 students in the neighborhood of Savoyzinho, being a high-speed connectivity test for a low-income group in the city of São Paulo,” SpaceX wrote in Portuguese to the regulatory agency. The company plans to deliver Starlink user terminals to the community by February 04, 2022. The equipment is very easy to set up, simply plug into an electricity outlet and point the antenna to the sky so that it receives internet data from SpaceX’s satellite constellation in Low Earth Orbit. To connect wirelessly the antenna works alongside a Wi-Fi router device.

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« Reply #463 on: 11/28/2021 10:20 pm »
There are reports coming out of India that the Indian government is now telling SpaceX to stop Starlink presales until they actually have a RF license for India.

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« Reply #464 on: 11/29/2021 01:59 am »
There are reports coming out of India that the Indian government is now telling SpaceX to stop Starlink presales until they actually have a RF license for India.
Anyone know the motivation here?  There are several candidates:
  (a) National pride
  (b) They want some wire-tapping or other snooping authority before they will grant a license.
  (c) They want a cut of the profits
  (d) One of the OneWeb owners is Indian; they prefer to support a competitor in their own country
  (e) Something else

If India lets Starlink sell units before they get a license, then lots of folks will have perfectly working hardware, that solves a real problem, but that they cannot use until their government grants permission.   This will put lots of pressure on the regulators to grant that permission, worsening their negotiating power.  Conversely, if SpaceX cannot even sell units until they make a deal with the government, then SpaceX should be eager to make a deal and India's negotiating position is stronger.

Likely it is some combination of these.  If anyone familar with the detailed politics in India over this, it would be great if they would comment.

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« Reply #465 on: 11/29/2021 02:24 am »
There are reports coming out of India that the Indian government is now telling SpaceX to stop Starlink presales until they actually have a RF license for India.

https://twitter.com/DoT_India/status/1464236137912758273

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It is noticed that M/s #Starlink (http://starlink.com) has started pre-selling/booking of #satellite based  #Internet Services in India without any #license/authorization.
Public is advised not to subscribe to Starlink services being advertised.  #GatiShakti #spacex
@SpaceX



The same is also evident from the website of Starlink (http://starlink.com) wherein satellite based internet services can be booked by users in Indian territory.
For rendering satellite based services in India, requisite license(s) from #DOT are required.



Accordingly, the Government of India has asked the company to comply with Indian regulatory framework for rendering the satellite based communication services and refrain from booking/rendering the satellite internet services in India with immediate effect.

Also: https://spacenews.com/india-orders-halt-on-starlink-presales-until-it-gives-regulatory-approval/
« Last Edit: 11/30/2021 02:35 am by su27k »

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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #466 on: 11/29/2021 10:36 am »
There are reports coming out of India that the Indian government is now telling SpaceX to stop Starlink presales until they actually have a RF license for India.
Anyone know the motivation here?  There are several candidates:
  (a) National pride
  (b) They want some wire-tapping or other snooping authority before they will grant a license.
  (c) They want a cut of the profits
  (d) One of the OneWeb owners is Indian; they prefer to support a competitor in their own country
  (e) Something else

In general, India's policy towards all satellite operators has been known and unchanged for 20 years. India is the strictest regulator of access to its telecom market for foreign companies. As far as I know, Iridium is still banned there. usually a local partner is needed with 50%+ shares. Of course, this is not as strict a restriction as in the United States, where a foreign telecom operator cannot have more than 25%...

Rather, it's not clear what SpaceX was hoping for?

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« Reply #467 on: 11/29/2021 12:48 pm »
There are reports coming out of India that the Indian government is now telling SpaceX to stop Starlink presales until they actually have a RF license for India.
Anyone know the motivation here?  There are several candidates:
  (a) National pride
  (b) They want some wire-tapping or other snooping authority before they will grant a license.
  (c) They want a cut of the profits
  (d) One of the OneWeb owners is Indian; they prefer to support a competitor in their own country
  (e) Something else

In general, India's policy towards all satellite operators has been known and unchanged for 20 years. India is the strictest regulator of access to its telecom market for foreign companies. As far as I know, Iridium is still banned there. usually a local partner is needed with 50%+ shares. Of course, this is not as strict a restriction as in the United States, where a foreign telecom operator cannot have more than 25%...

Rather, it's not clear what SpaceX was hoping for?

While I think they will not resort to this, it is still a possibility in case India will not license Starlink...
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1433123220643717120

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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #468 on: 11/29/2021 02:06 pm »
Anyone know the motivation here?  There are several candidates:
  (a) National pride
  (b) They want some wire-tapping or other snooping authority before they will grant a license.
  (c) They want a cut of the profits
  (d) One of the OneWeb owners is Indian; they prefer to support a competitor in their own country
  (e) Something else.

In this case, so far it has simply been that the DoT received a lot of complaints from NGOs and competitors.  Presumably, the NGOs are doing the bidding of the competitors one way or another.

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DoT receives complaints
Top officials at the Department of Telecom said that some complaints have been received from industry bodies and consumer groups against Starlink, and are being examined.

For instance, Delhi based NGO, Telecom Watchdog, wrote to the Department of Telecommunications on September 29, stating that Starlink asking customers to pay a deposit of ₹7,350 so that they could be served on a first come, first serve basis, is akin to a Ponzi scheme to defraud customers.

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/companies/elon-musks-starlink-under-scanner/article36782061.ece

Ultimately, it may become a case of wider contexts ruling the day.  There is a dance going on between the Indian government and Musk Inc. that is much larger than Starlink taken separately.
« Last Edit: 11/29/2021 02:11 pm by RedLineTrain »

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« Reply #469 on: 11/29/2021 04:47 pm »
Eric Berger of Ars Technica linked this article from Payload with some information on the Starlink/India kerfluffle.

https://us17.campaign-archive.com/?u=9c1db628330a8f7126a95df6d&id=d27a51afec

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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #470 on: 11/29/2021 07:15 pm »
While I think they will not resort to this, it is still a possibility in case India will not license Starlink...
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1433123220643717120

1) If StarLink does this, it will break its promises  in the application for registering a mobile terminal ESIM-1  by FCC
//Prior to operations of its ESAAs on U.S.-registered aircraft within a foreign nation's
airspace, SpaceX Services will ascertain whether the relevant administration has operations that
could be affected by ESAA terminals and determine whether that administration has adopted
specific requirements concerning ESAA operations. When the ESAA-equipped aircraft enters
foreign airspace, the ESAA terminal will operate under the Commission's rules, or those of the
foreign administration, whichever is more constraining.14 To the extent that all relevant
administrations have identified geographic areas from which ESAA operations would not affect
their radio operations, SpaceX Services will operate within those identified areas without further
action. To the extent that the foreign administration has not adopted requirements
regarding ESAA operations, SpaceX Services will coordinate its operations with any potentially
affected operations.

2) In principle, it is not broadcasting from space to India   that is regulated, but transmission from or in its territory. I do not know exactly its laws, but even to spend a month in an Indian prison for someone who has a StarLink terminal, I don’t envy him ..

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« Reply #471 on: 11/29/2021 09:54 pm »
There are reports coming out of India that the Indian government is now telling SpaceX to stop Starlink presales until they actually have a RF license for India.
Anyone know the motivation here?  There are several candidates:
  (a) National pride
  (b) They want some wire-tapping or other snooping authority before they will grant a license.
  (c) They want a cut of the profits
  (d) One of the OneWeb owners is Indian; they prefer to support a competitor in their own country
  (e) Something else

In general, India's policy towards all satellite operators has been known and unchanged for 20 years. India is the strictest regulator of access to its telecom market for foreign companies. As far as I know, Iridium is still banned there. usually a local partner is needed with 50%+ shares. Of course, this is not as strict a restriction as in the United States, where a foreign telecom operator cannot have more than 25%...

Rather, it's not clear what SpaceX was hoping for?


But had the Indian government have to deal with a satcom company that is more like a mobile phone company with broadband uplinks and downlinks to individual customers in rural areas? Other than Iridium with their satcom phone service?


SpaceX in my opinion is telling potential Indian customers that reasonable priced broadband access is possible if they lobby the government to change their protectionist policies. There are upcoming Indian state elections after all.


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« Reply #472 on: 11/30/2021 02:43 am »
There are reports coming out of India that the Indian government is now telling SpaceX to stop Starlink presales until they actually have a RF license for India.
Anyone know the motivation here?  There are several candidates:
  (a) National pride
  (b) They want some wire-tapping or other snooping authority before they will grant a license.
  (c) They want a cut of the profits
  (d) One of the OneWeb owners is Indian; they prefer to support a competitor in their own country
  (e) Something else

If India lets Starlink sell units before they get a license, then lots of folks will have perfectly working hardware, that solves a real problem, but that they cannot use until their government grants permission.   This will put lots of pressure on the regulators to grant that permission, worsening their negotiating power.  Conversely, if SpaceX cannot even sell units until they make a deal with the government, then SpaceX should be eager to make a deal and India's negotiating position is stronger.

Likely it is some combination of these.  If anyone familar with the detailed politics in India over this, it would be great if they would comment.

Note I don't think Starlink will sell units before they get a license, the money paid to Starlink is a fully refundable deposit that gets you a priority in the queue, but you wouldn't get the hardware until Starlink actually gets the license and starts the service.

However I think you're right that the shear number of pre orders can be used as a bargaining chip during negotiations ("Look at how many Indian citizens are waiting for this service!"), and the authorities don't like that.

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« Reply #473 on: 11/30/2021 02:25 pm »
But had the Indian government have to deal with a satcom company that is more like a mobile phone company with broadband uplinks and downlinks to individual customers in rural areas? Other than Iridium with their satcom phone service?

You just described all of the GEO internet providers, so yes, they have.

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« Reply #474 on: 11/30/2021 07:07 pm »
But had the Indian government have to deal with a satcom company that is more like a mobile phone company with broadband uplinks and downlinks to individual customers in rural areas? Other than Iridium with their satcom phone service?

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« Reply #475 on: 12/01/2021 12:20 am »
SpaceX’s Starlink Is Testing Internet Service for Aircraft

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SpaceX’s Starlink unit is testing its space-based internet service with several aircraft and wants to offer in-flight connection to airlines “as soon as possible,” a company vice president said.

Starlink is in talks with several airlines about offering in-flight broadband connections, Jonathan Hofeller, vice president of commercial sales, said Tuesday on a panel at the Airline Passenger Experience Association gathering in Long Beach, California. That would put the company in direct competition with Viasat Inc., Intelsat SA, Telesat Corp. and others.

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« Reply #476 on: 12/18/2021 07:55 am »
SpaceX provides free Starlink kits to Kentucky communities devastated by recent tornado

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Residents of communities devastated by a deadly tornado in Kentucky last week are able to access the internet thanks to a generous gift from SpaceX.

In partnership with the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the University of Kentucky Cooperative Extension Service, SpaceX has already provided 20 Starlink kits to hard hit communities.

Another 30 to 40 kits have been requested by the State of Kentucky, and are expected to arrive soon.

The kits will remain in Kentucky for two months, but the situation will be reassessed if there is a need for them to remain in the area for longer.

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« Reply #477 on: 12/30/2021 04:23 am »
Rural New Mexico school buys Starlink internet for students

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A school district in northwestern New Mexico is announcing a $1.2 million deal to provide hundreds of families with high-speed internet.

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« Reply #478 on: 01/08/2022 07:15 am »
SpaceX’s Starlink internet service has more than 145,000 users so far

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* SpaceX said on Thursday that its Starlink satellite internet service now has more than 145,000 users in 25 countries worldwide.

* That’s an increase of about 5,000 users from early November — a marked slowdown in the service’s growth.

* Elon Musk’s company had previously said that Starlink user growth has slowed due to “silicon shortages” which “have delayed production.”

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« Reply #479 on: 01/17/2022 07:30 pm »
There is an article in the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Company, similar to the BBC for Australia) on Starlink and the bush: https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022-01-18/elon-musk-starlink-satellites-to-connect-regional-farms/100760632

Interesting that they think it's the first time it's being used for agricultural applications (robotics, ag tech, etc). The article doesn't go into much details, but I do see opportunities for connectivity in areas like farming and mining that struggle with connectivity for online automation.

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