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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #400 on: 09/16/2021 08:07 am »
Viasat: SpaceX Starlink threat to LEO sustainability is casus belli for us & we’re asking spacefaring nations to deny market access

Quote from: spaceintelreport.com
PARIS — Satellite broadband hardware and service provider Viasat Inc. is trying to persuade large nations outside the United States to deny landing rights to SpaceX’s Starlink as a way to preserve the long-term usability of low Earth orbit for themselves and others.

Exasperated that U.S. regulators, and even Viasat’s industry peers, have chosen not to sound the alarm about the dangers of placing tens of thousands of satellites into low Earth orbit, Viasat hopes to have more success at the market end.

Are these guys for real?

They're tied to the tracks, the freight train is bearing down, and Dudley Do-Right is nowhere in sight.
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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #401 on: 09/16/2021 08:26 am »
Viasat: SpaceX Starlink threat to LEO sustainability is casus belli for us & we’re asking spacefaring nations to deny market access

Quote from: spaceintelreport.com
PARIS — Satellite broadband hardware and service provider Viasat Inc. is trying to persuade large nations outside the United States to deny landing rights to SpaceX’s Starlink as a way to preserve the long-term usability of low Earth orbit for themselves and others.

Exasperated that U.S. regulators, and even Viasat’s industry peers, have chosen not to sound the alarm about the dangers of placing tens of thousands of satellites into low Earth orbit, Viasat hopes to have more success at the market end.

Are these guys for real?

I wonder why Jim Bridenstine decided to join Viasat's board of directors. He must certainly have understood starlink is the future.

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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #402 on: 09/16/2021 02:30 pm »
Viasat: SpaceX Starlink threat to LEO sustainability is casus belli for us & we’re asking spacefaring nations to deny market access

Quote from: spaceintelreport.com
PARIS — Satellite broadband hardware and service provider Viasat Inc. is trying to persuade large nations outside the United States to deny landing rights to SpaceX’s Starlink as a way to preserve the long-term usability of low Earth orbit for themselves and others.

Exasperated that U.S. regulators, and even Viasat’s industry peers, have chosen not to sound the alarm about the dangers of placing tens of thousands of satellites into low Earth orbit, Viasat hopes to have more success at the market end.

Are these guys for real?

I wonder why Jim Bridenstine decided to join Viasat's board of directors. He must certainly have understood starlink is the future.

He joined for the money. Obviously.

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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #403 on: 09/16/2021 03:49 pm »
Apparently, Viasat managed to convince the Saudis somehow.  In my opinion, this should be a signal to the FCC that they need to step on the accelerator because they know they have a winner.  "Equitable access" is code for "slow down the Americans."

https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/1438459297365643268
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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #404 on: 09/16/2021 05:05 pm »
Makes sense.

The Saudis may not have liked Elon’s quip about autocratic folks “shaking their fists at the sky” when people they don’t approve of get access to the Internet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Saudi_Arabia

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Saudi Arabia directs all international Internet traffic through a proxy farm located in King Abdulaziz City for Science & Technology. A content filter is implemented there, based on software by Secure Computing.[34] Since October 2006, the Communications and Information Technology Commission (CITC) has been handling the DNS structure and filtering in Saudi Arabia in the place of KACST. Additionally, a number of sites are blocked according to two lists maintained by the Internet Services Unit (ISU):[35] one containing "immoral" (mostly pornographic or supportive of LGBT-rights) sites and sites promoting Shia Ideology, the others based on directions from a security committee run by the Ministry of Information (including sites critical of the Saudi government). An interesting feature of this system is that citizens are encouraged to actively report "immoral", mostly adult and pornographic, sites for blocking using a provided web form, available on the government's website.

The initial legal basis for content filtering is the resolution by Council of Ministers dated 12 February 2001.[36] According to a study carried out in 2004 by the Open Net Initiative "the most aggressive censorship focused on pornography, drug use, gambling, religious conversion of Muslims, and filtering circumvention tools."[34] Additionally, Saudi Arabia blocks websites affiliated with Iran, with Hezbollah, with groups in Yemen, websites associated with the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria,[37] and information related to the Holocaust.[38] Saudi Arabia, like other countries, utilizes technology often from Western companies, such as American-owned SmartFilter, in order to automatically filter websites based on certain topic material.[39] The government also monitors for unusual spikes in internet traffic related to content it wants to censor.[39] An example of this filtering was seen after the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi in 2018, when the number of websites being censored in Saudi Arabia reportedly doubled, particularly websites of foreign news services such as Fox News and the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.[40] This is according to Censored Planet, an online initiative that aims to track online censorship through multiple methods, including scanning internet protocol (IP) addresses associated with particular websites.[40]
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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #405 on: 09/17/2021 06:11 am »
Makes sense.

The Saudis may not have liked Elon’s quip about autocratic folks “shaking their fists at the sky” when people they don’t approve of get access to the Internet.

I'm not sure that's the problem, Elon's quip aside SpaceX will need to follow local laws in countries like Saudi, they have engineering position for lawful interception development.

I wonder if the real reason is because Starlink is a competitor to Arabsat

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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #406 on: 09/20/2021 04:39 am »
Congressional Research Service report on LEO satellite broadband: Low Earth Orbit Satellites: Potential to Address the Broadband Digital Divide

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As the Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic began to unfold, many federal, state, and local governments, in addition to large and small businesses, implemented remote working or distance learning options to help abate the spread of the virus. As these decisions were made, some of the population had the option and the capability to shift activities online, while others did not. The term digital divide is used to characterize the gap between those who have access to telecommunications and information technologies and those who do not. One subset of the digital divide debate concerns access to high-speed internet service, also known as broadband.

Broadband technologies are currently being deployed, primarily by the private sector, throughout the United States. While the number of new broadband subscribers continues to grow, rural areas—and tribal areas in particular—tend to lag behind urban and suburban areas in broadband deployment and the speed of service offered. Federal support has been provided for broadband infrastructure deployment. While that funding has contributed to progress in closing the digital divide, there are some parts of the United States—particularly rural and remote areas—that still lack access to broadband. These are typically areas where it is difficult to deploy terrestrial broadband technologies, such as fiber optic cable or cable modem, due to build out challenges with terrain or cost. Broadband offered through satellite technologies may be the only option for some such communities at present, but service provided by satellites in geostationary orbit (GEO) may not be as reliable and resilient as wired broadband technologies, such as fiber.

A newer satellite broadband technology—provided by satellites in low Earth orbit (LEO)—may hold promise for further addressing the digital divide, especially in remote or rural areas. With the introduction of LEO satellites, which are positioned at a much lower altitude than GEO satellites, there is potential for satellite broadband to deliver speeds closer to those that can be achieved with fiber, as well as lower lag times or latency.

Companies are in the process of developing, testing, and deploying LEO satellites for broadband delivery with the hope that they may provide higher speeds, lower latency, and expanded coverage. There are many unknowns—for example, whether LEO satellites can consistently provide the anticipated lowerlatency and higher speeds. Other uncertainties include what LEO satellite provider competition might look like, or how affordable broadband service provided by LEO satellites may—or may not—be. As the development, testing, and deployment of LEO satellites progress, considerations for Congress may include

* the potential to narrow—or widen—the digital divide,
* evolving regulatory policies,
* reaching fiber-like speeds and other performance challenges,
* competition, and
* selected pilot programs.

If LEO satellites provide fiber-like speeds and low latency to remote and rural areas, providing ubiquitous broadband, related issues may become ripe for congressional consideration—such as the potential for broadband infrastructure to reach all consumers or broadband adoption and affordability issues.
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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #407 on: 09/20/2021 08:31 am »
I'm not sure that's the problem, Elon's quip aside SpaceX will need to follow local laws in countries like Saudi, they have engineering position for lawful interception development.

They might dislike the idea of "illict" Starlink dishes propping up to circumvent their control. Nominally sold to some other country and then smuggled in. Of course before everything has a laser intelink, that won't work without nearby ground stations and SpaceX can, if they so choose, simply not transfer data based on geofencing, so this is less of a problem than they may think.

SpaceX naturally just wants to sell a service to paying customers and if that requires local ground station that then goes thru whatever local filtering, they probably do not really care - that is a local regulatory issue. They may skip a country if it is too much of a hassle or risk and at this early stage why bother with "its complicated"-countries when they have plenty of demand elsewhere.

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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #408 on: 09/30/2021 03:09 am »
Notfallinternet per Satellit: Starlink-Einsatz bei der Flutkatastrophe

Google translated: Emergency internet via satellite: Starlink deployment during the flood disaster

Quote from: heise online
News and pictures of the flood disaster must also have arrived in Hawthorne, California, the headquarters of SpaceX and Starlink. The satellite internet provider of the entrepreneur Elon Musk contacted the German Ministry of the Interior (BMI) shortly after the disaster and offered help to provide internet connections in cut-off areas via Starlink. The mass constellation of satellites in near-earth orbit has been under construction since 2019 and provides low-latency broadband Internet access in the three-digit Mbit / s range.

The BMI passed the offer on to the staff of the State of Rhineland-Palatinate, where they did not hesitate and accepted it. According to its press office, there was little organizational effort: SpaceX itself took care of the fast delivery of the Starlink satellite modems to Germany. With the help of Tesla, the sets were transported to the collection point for emergency services at the Nürburgring. There, the technicians responsible for subject area 6 (ICT, information and communication) were instructed in the configuration by Tesla and SpaceX employees.

Nine employees, one from SpaceX and eight from Tesla, supported the installation. On July 20, shortly after 2 a.m., the first groups of emergency services and Starlink technicians started their journey to the affected areas with the Starlink sets.

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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #409 on: 10/06/2021 03:02 am »
Forest Service Washington Office is testing via contract # 12760421P0045:
Obligation / Total Contract Value: $37,500 / $180,000
Contracting Office Agency Name: FOREST SERVICE
Contracting Office Name: USDA FS WO AQM IT SUPPORT BRANCH
Description of Requirement: Provide Low Earth Orbit (LEO) Satellite Internets Pilot service program to 10 FS designated sites. Five (5) initial test locations are being awarded with an optional five (5) locations to be added if service meets expectations.

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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #410 on: 10/08/2021 02:53 am »
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1446125039447777282
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Should be nationwide rollout by end of month. Note, still limited by peak number of users in same area.

This will improve as more satellites are launched.


https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1446125877494833162
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Starlink is designed for low to medium population density, which means we can hit max users in some areas fast.

Please sign up early to ensure a spot. As more satellites roll out, SpaceX will be able to serve more.

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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #411 on: 10/15/2021 03:38 am »
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1448668361945231362

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Yes, we are talking to airlines about installing Starlink. Please let them know if you want it on your airliner.

Low latency ~half gigabit connectivity in the air!


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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #413 on: 10/17/2021 02:54 am »
Some Starlink customers have canceled their preorders, after paying a $100 deposit up to 9 months ago and receiving no contact from SpaceX

Quote from: businessinsider
John Duran paid a $100 deposit in February to secure Starlink and replace his "horrible service that is as good or worse than having nothing," he told Insider.

After months of no communication or updates from Starlink, Duran, who is based in Montana, canceled his Starlink preorder in September. He said he would have preferred not to.

"I'm not mad, just disappointed," Duran said, who is currently using the mobile hotspot from his phone through internet provider Verizon. "I didn't want to cancel, honestly."

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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #414 on: 10/17/2021 05:26 pm »
Some Starlink customers have canceled their preorders, after paying a $100 deposit up to 9 months ago and receiving no contact from SpaceX

Quote from: businessinsider
John Duran paid a $100 deposit in February to secure Starlink and replace his "horrible service that is as good or worse than having nothing," he told Insider.

After months of no communication or updates from Starlink, Duran, who is based in Montana, canceled his Starlink preorder in September. He said he would have preferred not to.

"I'm not mad, just disappointed," Duran said, who is currently using the mobile hotspot from his phone through internet provider Verizon. "I didn't want to cancel, honestly."

They just bumped more people to top of the  line. I have told friends and family that are looking forward to it. Just stay the course. It's still in Beta. I don't know why they picked me over somebody else but I am happy they did. With the chip shortage not helping either. They are in still building the terminals in Hawthorne and haven't built the new factory near Tesla Texas yet.

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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #415 on: 10/17/2021 06:32 pm »
Some Starlink customers have canceled their preorders, after paying a $100 deposit up to 9 months ago and receiving no contact from SpaceX

Quote from: businessinsider
John Duran paid a $100 deposit in February to secure Starlink and replace his "horrible service that is as good or worse than having nothing," he told Insider.

After months of no communication or updates from Starlink, Duran, who is based in Montana, canceled his Starlink preorder in September. He said he would have preferred not to.

"I'm not mad, just disappointed," Duran said, who is currently using the mobile hotspot from his phone through internet provider Verizon. "I didn't want to cancel, honestly."

Alternate headline: "Business Insider finds customers that didn't read either the FAQ or their introductory email."

From the start Starlink has been honest that it's going to be a while, and not everyone will get into beta. The estimate for my area is "mid to late 2021." Okay, that is a six month spread, and although I'd sure liked to have gotten it in July, per my reading it's not overdue until Jan 1st.

That said, if it's taking too long for anyone by all means cancel and free up a slot! You can always order again later after the full scale rollout.

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« Reply #416 on: 10/18/2021 06:26 pm »
Some Starlink customers have canceled their preorders, after paying a $100 deposit up to 9 months ago and receiving no contact from SpaceX

Quote from: businessinsider
John Duran paid a $100 deposit in February to secure Starlink and replace his "horrible service that is as good or worse than having nothing," he told Insider.

After months of no communication or updates from Starlink, Duran, who is based in Montana, canceled his Starlink preorder in September. He said he would have preferred not to.

"I'm not mad, just disappointed," Duran said, who is currently using the mobile hotspot from his phone through internet provider Verizon. "I didn't want to cancel, honestly."

They just bumped more people to top of the  line. I have told friends and family that are looking forward to it. Just stay the course. It's still in Beta. I don't know why they picked me over somebody else but I am happy they did. With the chip shortage not helping either. They are in still building the terminals in Hawthorne and haven't built the new factory near Tesla Texas yet.

I thought they were building the terminals in Redmond, Washington?  https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/starlink-factory

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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #417 on: 10/18/2021 08:54 pm »
Some Starlink customers have canceled their preorders, after paying a $100 deposit up to 9 months ago and receiving no contact from SpaceX

Quote from: businessinsider
John Duran paid a $100 deposit in February to secure Starlink and replace his "horrible service that is as good or worse than having nothing," he told Insider.

After months of no communication or updates from Starlink, Duran, who is based in Montana, canceled his Starlink preorder in September. He said he would have preferred not to.

"I'm not mad, just disappointed," Duran said, who is currently using the mobile hotspot from his phone through internet provider Verizon. "I didn't want to cancel, honestly."

They just bumped more people to top of the  line. I have told friends and family that are looking forward to it. Just stay the course. It's still in Beta. I don't know why they picked me over somebody else but I am happy they did. With the chip shortage not helping either. They are in still building the terminals in Hawthorne and haven't built the new factory near Tesla Texas yet.

I thought they were building the terminals in Redmond, Washington?  https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/starlink-factory

Also from your link

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SpaceX announced in a job listing that it plans to setup a Starlink manufacturing facility in Austin, Texas. “To keep up with global demand, SpaceX is breaking ground on a new, state of the art manufacturing facility in Austin, TX,” the company said in new job listings posted on its website in March. the Austin Starlink factory will be for “high volume manufacturing,” to make “millions of consumer facing devices.”
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Re: Starlink : Markets and Marketing
« Reply #418 on: 10/18/2021 09:46 pm »
I thought they were building the terminals in Redmond, Washington?  https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/starlink-factory

They're made in Hawthorne, with future production in Austin.

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« Reply #419 on: 10/18/2021 10:45 pm »
Some Starlink customers have canceled their preorders, after paying a $100 deposit up to 9 months ago and receiving no contact from SpaceX

Quote from: businessinsider
John Duran paid a $100 deposit in February to secure Starlink and replace his "horrible service that is as good or worse than having nothing," he told Insider.

After months of no communication or updates from Starlink, Duran, who is based in Montana, canceled his Starlink preorder in September. He said he would have preferred not to.

"I'm not mad, just disappointed," Duran said, who is currently using the mobile hotspot from his phone through internet provider Verizon. "I didn't want to cancel, honestly."

They just bumped more people to top of the  line. I have told friends and family that are looking forward to it. Just stay the course. It's still in Beta. I don't know why they picked me over somebody else but I am happy they did. With the chip shortage not helping either. They are in still building the terminals in Hawthorne and haven't built the new factory near Tesla Texas yet.

The "line" isn't really a line, as far as I can tell. By the nature of the service architecture, they must have a limited number of active cells, and a limited number of users they can serve in each cell. If you're not in an active cell, or if you're in one that's active but already at a capacity, you're not going to get a dish before someone in a cell they are trying to fill. Not even if you ordered it first.

It's first in first out, but only after the limitations imposed by the cell architecture and number of available spot beams are considered.

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