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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-20 : March 6/7, 2020 : Discussion
« Reply #20 on: 02/16/2020 12:12 pm »
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-20 : March 6/7, 2020 : Discussion
« Reply #21 on: 02/16/2020 12:41 pm »
How many times has SpX 20 Dragon flown before? What were the flights? Also what is the Capsule number for this Capsule?

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-20 : March 6/7, 2020 : Discussion
« Reply #22 on: 02/16/2020 01:17 pm »
How many times has SpX 20 Dragon flown before? What were the flights? Also what is the Capsule number for this Capsule?

We don't have a direct answer to that yet, for the CRS-20 mission, but FYI here are some references on the internet that are tracking these flights and capsule numbers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Dragon#List_of_missions

https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/dragon.htm
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-20 : March 6/7, 2020 : Discussion
« Reply #23 on: 02/16/2020 01:43 pm »
How many times has SpX 20 Dragon flown before? What were the flights? Also what is the Capsule number for this Capsule?
I'm assuming it's capsule C110 because that's the likeliest option. If that's the case, the capsule has previously flown on CRS-8 and CRS-14.

Michael Baylor's website nextspaceflight.com says B1059.2 will be the booster for this mission.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-20 : March 6/7, 2020 : Discussion
« Reply #25 on: 02/20/2020 04:58 pm »
Just about to start:

https://twitter.com/nasa/status/1230548932356399107

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The next @SpaceX cargo mission to @Space_Station is prepping for launch. What's on board? Research includes high-tech materials, conserving water, 3D printing and @ESA's Bartolomeo platform for science: go.nasa.gov/3bPWa6V
More in a telecon at 1pm ET: go.nasa.gov/2SZKq9c

To view go to https://www.nasa.gov/nasalive
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-20 : March 6/7, 2020 : Discussion
« Reply #26 on: 02/25/2020 03:10 pm »
Per L2, launch date now 3/6 @ 23:50 local.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-20 : March 6/7, 2020 : Discussion
« Reply #27 on: 02/25/2020 03:35 pm »
SpaceX proposed both Dragon 1 and Dragon 2. NASA chose Dragon 2. The choice was made when the contracts were signed.

Am I assuming correctly, that in order for the first flight of CRS-2 to take place with a Dragon 2, the crewed DM-2 needs to be completed first?  Or will new dedicated Dragon 2's be built with no Super Dracos?

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SpaceX proposed both Dragon 1 and Dragon 2. NASA chose Dragon 2. The choice was made when the contracts were signed.

Am I assuming correctly, that in order for the first flight of CRS-2 to take place with a Dragon 2, the crewed DM-2 needs to be completed first?  Or will new dedicated Dragon 2's be built with no Super Dracos?

New Cargo Dragon 2 will be built with no SuperDracos. Previously flown Crew Dragon 2 will not be modified for Cargo, they are separate builds.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-20 : March 6/7, 2020 : Discussion
« Reply #29 on: 02/25/2020 03:51 pm »
Per L2, launch date now 3/6 @ 23:50 local.
To be clear, that's not a three month delay, right? 6th of March, rather than the 3rd of June? Please remember most people do dates the other way around from you. Specify the month and there won't be any chance for confusion.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-20 : March 6/7, 2020 : Discussion
« Reply #30 on: 02/25/2020 06:31 pm »
https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1232386362176942087

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Also from NASA, SpaceX CRS-20 launch now scheduled for March 6 at 11:50 pm ET bc needed to swap out second stage.

edit/gongora:  link on NASA site https://blogs.nasa.gov/spacex/2020/02/25/spacex-crs-20-launch-targeted-for-march-6/
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SpaceX is now targeting March 6 at 11:50 p.m. EST for launch of its 20th commercial resupply services mission (CRS-20) to the International Space Station. During standard preflight inspections, SpaceX identified a valve motor on the second stage engine behaving not as expected and determined the safest and most expedient path to launch is to utilize the next second stage in line that was already at the Cape and ready for flight. The new second stage has already completed the same preflight inspections with all hardware behaving as expected. The updated target launch date provides the time required to complete preflight integration and final checkouts.

The cargo Dragon will lift off atop a Falcon 9 rocket from Space Launch Complex 40 at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida carrying more than 5,600 pounds of science investigations and cargo to the station, including research on particle foam manufacturing, water droplet formation, the human intestine and other cutting-edge investigations.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-20 : March 6/7, 2020 : Discussion
« Reply #31 on: 02/25/2020 08:20 pm »


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SpaceX identified a valve motor on the second stage engine behaving not as expected and determined the safest and most expedient path to launch is to utilize the next second stage in line that was already at the Cape and ready for flight.
It's nice to have a spare just lying around (I know it was probably for the next Starlink launch, but still...).
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-20 : March 6/7, 2020 : Discussion
« Reply #32 on: 02/25/2020 08:58 pm »
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SpaceX identified a valve motor on the second stage engine behaving not as expected and determined the safest and most expedient path to launch is to utilize the next second stage in line that was already at the Cape and ready for flight.
It's nice to have a spare just lying around (I know it was probably for the next Starlink launch, but still...).
A nice side benefit of having a high flight rate.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-20 : March 6/7, 2020 : Discussion
« Reply #33 on: 02/26/2020 04:30 am »
It's nice to have a spare just lying around (I know it was probably for the next Starlink launch, but still...).

No 'but still' about it. Starlink is an excellent thing to be able to point to if one of SpaceX's manifested customers says "uh, you guys didn't swap that dodgy stage with the one from our flight, right?"

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-20 : March 6/7, 2020 : Discussion
« Reply #34 on: 02/27/2020 11:15 am »
But, but...

But rockets aren’t LEGOs!

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-20 : March 6/7, 2020 : Discussion
« Reply #35 on: 02/27/2020 02:08 pm »
Of course we don't really know what the issue with the original stage is, and what it would have taken to resolve if they didn't have another stage available.

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Of course we don't really know what the issue with the original stage is, and what it would have taken to resolve if they didn't have another stage available.

A valve motor on the 2nd stage engine wasn't behaving as expected.

https://blogs.nasa.gov/spacex/2020/02/25/spacex-crs-20-launch-targeted-for-march-6/
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-20 : March 6/7, 2020 : Discussion
« Reply #37 on: 02/27/2020 03:43 pm »
Of course we don't really know what the issue with the original stage is, and what it would have taken to resolve if they didn't have another stage available.

A valve motor on the 2nd stage engine wasn't behaving as expected.

https://blogs.nasa.gov/spacex/2020/02/25/spacex-crs-20-launch-targeted-for-march-6/

Yeah I know that, but that doesn't say much. My point was that we have no idea what it would have taken to resolve had they not had a spare stage handy. We can't really say that having a stage handy 'saved' CRS20 from 'much longer delays' without this info.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-20 : March 6/7, 2020 : Discussion
« Reply #38 on: 02/27/2020 04:11 pm »
My point was that we have no idea what it would have taken to resolve had they not had a spare stage handy. We can't really say that having a stage handy 'saved' CRS20 from 'much longer delays' without this info.

NASA stated in the press release that another second stage was "already at the Cape and ready for flight". I think we agree that means it's most probably the second stage that was supposed to launch the next Starlink mission, which was NET March 4 before the decision to swap stages. Now they are probably going to use the second stage initially assigned to CRS-20 to launch Starlink mission, which is now NET March 11. SpaceX has to believe that the second stage issue should be fixed by that date and this is what the delay would probably be for the CRS-20 mission, more or less.

It may still be possible that they have another second stage on Cape or that they decided to get another second stage moved to Florida for Starlink mission, but I don't think this is the case looking at the schedule for upcoming launches.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-20 : March 6/7, 2020 : Discussion
« Reply #39 on: 02/27/2020 04:40 pm »
Quote from the Teslarati tweet:
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SpaceX's Starlink launch ambitions may have saved a space station resupply mission from big delays

Dragon SpX-20 launch delayed from March 2 LT to March 6 LT.  The next Starlink launch is now NET March 11.

edit/gongora:  link on NASA site https://blogs.nasa.gov/spacex/2020/02/25/spacex-crs-20-launch-targeted-for-march-6/
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SpaceX is now targeting March 6 at 11:50 p.m. EST for launch of its 20th commercial resupply services mission (CRS-20) to the International Space Station. During standard preflight inspections, SpaceX identified a valve motor on the second stage engine behaving not as expected and determined the safest and most expedient path to launch is to utilize the next second stage in line that was already at the Cape and ready for flight. The new second stage has already completed the same preflight inspections with all hardware behaving as expected. The updated target launch date provides the time required to complete preflight integration and final checkouts.

As stated above, our Occam's Razor assumption is the second stage with the suspect valve will be used on the next Starlink flight.

If the assumption is correct, then repairing the suspect valve, or removing and replacing it, will take days, not weeks or months.

I call "shenanigans" on the Teslarati use of the phrase "big delays."
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