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Discussion thread for the second Starlink v1.0 launch.

Check the Starlink Index Thread for links to more Starlink information.

NSF Threads for Starlink v1.0 Flight 2: Discussion / Updates

NSF News Articles for Starlink:
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/?s=Starlink

January 6, 2020 at 9:19pm EST (0219 UTC on Jan. 7), on Falcon 9 (booster 1049.4) from CCAFS SLC-40.  ASDS landing is expected.  Targeting deployment orbit of 280km.

Payload: Second batch of 60 operational satellites with Ku-band and Ka-band antennas.  One satellite will be testing a coating to reduce its brightness as seen from the ground.

Please use the Starlink Discussion Thread for all general discussion on Starlink.

L2 SpaceX:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?board=60.0

(Tweaked Gongora's Starlink-1 OP, credit to him for that :) )
« Last Edit: 01/06/2020 01:52 am by gongora »

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SpaceX has opened media accreditation for the next Starlink launch (presumed to be Starlink-2) and I didn't see a Starlink-2 thread so thought I'd create one. SpaceX says the mission is NET December 2019.

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Media accreditation is now open for a SpaceX Starlink mission from Space Launch Complex 40 (SLC-40) at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida. The launch is targeted for no earlier than December.
« Last Edit: 11/24/2019 11:35 pm by vaporcobra »

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink v1.0 Flight 2 : NET December 2019
« Reply #2 on: 11/25/2019 12:21 pm »
FWIW

http://www.launchphotography.com/Delta_4_Atlas_5_Falcon_9_Launch_Viewing.html

also says

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Then, a Falcon 9 is scheduled to launch the next set of Starlink internet constellation satellites on late December TBD.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink v1.0 Flight 2 : NET December 2019
« Reply #3 on: 12/07/2019 02:40 pm »
https://spacenews.com/spacex-working-on-fix-for-starlink-satellites-so-they-dont-disrupt-astronomy/
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Shotwell said the next batch has one satellite “where we put a coating on the bottom.” She noted that this is just an experiment and could not predict if it will work. “We’re do trial and error to figure out the best way to get this done,” said Shotwell. ... “It definitely changes the performance of the satellite, thermally. It’ll be some trial and error but we’ll fix it.”

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So apparently SpaceX is trying to schedule a New Years Eve launch again (after a famous early example way back in.2013)....

SFN shows this launch as on December 30, 11:40 pm EST = December 31, 04:40 UTC.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink v1.0 Flight 2 : NET December 2019
« Reply #5 on: 12/13/2019 12:32 pm »
So apparently SpaceX is trying to schedule a New Years Eve launch again (after a famous early example way back in.2013)....

SFN shows this launch as on December 30, 11:40 pm EST = December 31, 04:40 UTC.

SpaceX always wants to impress with the biggest New Years Rocket around. Lets hope the fireworks stay contained to the aft end where it belongs and it does not explode like the other rockets will on that day. :D

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F3787/19 - ROCKET LAUNCH WILL TAKE PLACE FLW RECEIVED FROM GOVERNMENT OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: HAZARDOUS OPS WILL BE CONDUCTED FOR ATMOSPHERIC RE-ENTRY AND SPLASHDOWN OF LAUNCH VEHICLE STARLINK V1.0-L2 AND PARTICIPATING SUPPORT ACFT WI THE FOLLOWING AREAS: 2943S 06007E 2455S 06427E 3845S 08430E 4512S 09945E 4946S 11913E 5042S 13819E 4850S 15644E 5146S 15808E 5442S 14832E 5620S 13103E 5552S 10750E 4911S 08505E 3432S 06413E. SFC - UNL, 1912310628 TO 1912310745 2001010606 TO 2001010723, 31 DEC 06:28 2019 UNTIL 01 JAN 07:23 2020. CREATED: 19 DEC 19:40 2019
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Delayed NET jan4

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F3810/19 - ROCKET LAUNCH WILL TAKE PLACE FLW RECEIVED FROM GOVERNMENT OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: HAZARDOUS OPS WILL BE CONDUCTED FOR ATMOSPHERIC RE-ENTRY AND SPLASHDOWN OF LAUNCH VEHICLE STARLINK V1.0-L2 AND PARTICIPATING SUPPORT ACFT WI THE FOLLOWING AREAS: 2943S 06007E 2455S 06427E 3845S 08430E 4512S 09945E 4946S 11913E 5042S 13819E 4850S 15644E 5146S 15808E 5442S 14832E 5620S 13103E 5552S 10750E 4911S 08505E 3432S 06413E. SFC - UNL, 2001040502 TO 2001040620 2001050440 TO 2001050538, 04 JAN 05:02 2020 UNTIL 05 JAN 05:38 2020. CREATED: 20 DEC 20:05 2019
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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink v1.0 Flight 2 : December 30/31, 2019
« Reply #8 on: 12/21/2019 01:12 am »
This will be a partial break for all involved staff to enjoy what they can of the holidays.

Then we are set for what could be a very busy bunch of pads for 2020.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink v1.0 Flight 2 : December 30/31, 2019
« Reply #9 on: 12/21/2019 01:25 am »
Delayed NET jan4

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F3810/19 - ROCKET LAUNCH WILL TAKE PLACE FLW RECEIVED FROM GOVERNMENT OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: HAZARDOUS OPS WILL BE CONDUCTED FOR ATMOSPHERIC RE-ENTRY AND SPLASHDOWN OF LAUNCH VEHICLE STARLINK V1.0-L2 AND PARTICIPATING SUPPORT ACFT WI THE FOLLOWING AREAS: 2943S 06007E 2455S 06427E 3845S 08430E 4512S 09945E 4946S 11913E 5042S 13819E 4850S 15644E 5146S 15808E 5442S 14832E 5620S 13103E 5552S 10750E 4911S 08505E 3432S 06413E. SFC - UNL, 2001040502 TO 2001040620 2001050440 TO 2001050538, 04 JAN 05:02 2020 UNTIL 05 JAN 05:38 2020. CREATED: 20 DEC 20:05 2019

Are those UTC times for second stage reentry?  If so then launch would be on the 3rd local time, 4th UTC.
« Last Edit: 12/21/2019 01:27 am by gongora »

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F3810/19 - ROCKET LAUNCH WILL TAKE PLACE FLW RECEIVED FROM GOVERNMENT OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: HAZARDOUS OPS WILL BE CONDUCTED FOR ATMOSPHERIC RE-ENTRY AND SPLASHDOWN OF LAUNCH VEHICLE STARLINK V1.0-L2 AND PARTICIPATING SUPPORT ACFT WI THE FOLLOWING AREAS: 2943S 06007E 2455S 06427E 3845S 08430E 4512S 09945E 4946S 11913E 5042S 13819E 4850S 15644E 5146S 15808E 5442S 14832E 5620S 13103E 5552S 10750E 4911S 08505E 3432S 06413E. SFC - UNL, 2001040502 TO 2001040620 2001050440 TO 2001050538, 04 JAN 05:02 2020 UNTIL 05 JAN 05:38 2020. CREATED: 20 DEC 20:05 2019

Are those UTC times for second stage reentry?  If so then launch would be on the 3rd local time, 4th UTC.

Ben Cooper on his page has it as January 3, ~10:45 pm Eastern (January 4, ~03:45 UTC).
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Delayed NET jan4

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F3810/19 - ROCKET LAUNCH WILL TAKE PLACE FLW RECEIVED FROM GOVERNMENT OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: HAZARDOUS OPS WILL BE CONDUCTED FOR ATMOSPHERIC RE-ENTRY AND SPLASHDOWN OF LAUNCH VEHICLE STARLINK V1.0-L2 AND PARTICIPATING SUPPORT ACFT WI THE FOLLOWING AREAS: 2943S 06007E 2455S 06427E 3845S 08430E 4512S 09945E 4946S 11913E 5042S 13819E 4850S 15644E 5146S 15808E 5442S 14832E 5620S 13103E 5552S 10750E 4911S 08505E 3432S 06413E. SFC - UNL, 2001040502 TO 2001040620 2001050440 TO 2001050538, 04 JAN 05:02 2020 UNTIL 05 JAN 05:38 2020. CREATED: 20 DEC 20:05 2019

Are those UTC times for second stage reentry?  If so then launch would be on the 3rd local time, 4th UTC.

Yes, all NOTAMs (air) and navigational warnings (water) are UTC to avoid any sort of confusion.
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F3810/19 - ROCKET LAUNCH WILL TAKE PLACE FLW RECEIVED FROM GOVERNMENT OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: HAZARDOUS OPS WILL BE CONDUCTED FOR ATMOSPHERIC RE-ENTRY AND SPLASHDOWN OF LAUNCH VEHICLE STARLINK V1.0-L2 AND PARTICIPATING SUPPORT ACFT WI THE FOLLOWING AREAS: 2943S 06007E 2455S 06427E 3845S 08430E 4512S 09945E 4946S 11913E 5042S 13819E 4850S 15644E 5146S 15808E 5442S 14832E 5620S 13103E 5552S 10750E 4911S 08505E 3432S 06413E. SFC - UNL, 2001040502 TO 2001040620 2001050440 TO 2001050538, 04 JAN 05:02 2020 UNTIL 05 JAN 05:38 2020. CREATED: 20 DEC 20:05 2019

Are those UTC times for second stage reentry?  If so then launch would be on the 3rd local time, 4th UTC.

Ben Cooper on his page has it as January 3, ~10:45 pm Eastern (January 4, ~03:45 UTC).

Update: ~10:23 pm EST January 3rd / ~03:23 UTC January 4th
Spaceflight Now in their newest article has the time as  ~10:20 pm EST.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink v1.0 Flight 2 : January 3/4, 2020
« Reply #13 on: 12/23/2019 04:39 pm »
USCG NOTMAR https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/lnms/lnm07522019.pdf
(Be aware that the "Preferred T-0" often is not correct.)

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ATLANTIC OCEAN - FLORIDA - CAPE CANAVERAL: EASTERN RANGE OP# A4230 FALCON 9 STARLINK v1.0-L2

Eastern Range will be conducting hazardous operations surface to unlimited within portions of Warning Areas W137F, W138E, W139E,
W140E/F, W122, W497A, W497B and the following hazard areas.

From 2836 41.22N 8035 47.84W
TO 2904N 8003W
TO 2858N 7958W
TO 2827 25.90N 8031 31.79W
TO 2831 44.67N 8033 38.28W to beginning
From 3201N 7649W
TO 3348N 7523W
TO 3342N 7424W
TO 3244N 7431W
TO 3140N 7630W beginning

Hazard periods for primary launch day and backup launch day;
Primary launch day: 04 / 0309Z thru 04 / 0427Z Jan 20. Preferred T-0 is 0313Z.
Backup launch day: 05 / 0247Z thru 05 / 0405Z Jan 20. Preferred T-0 is 0252Z.

ATLANTIC OCEAN – FLORIDA – CAPE CANAVERAL: SPACE LAUNCH ZONES (VIRTUAL- AIS PRIVATE AID TO NAVIGATION)

The U.S. Coast Guard has approved the use of a Virtual Automatic Identification System Private Aid to Navigation (V-AIS PATON) to mark a
restricted navigation area during a space launch. The Coast Guard authorized the Space Exploration Technologies Corporation, better known as
SpaceX, to use Virtual-AIS PATONs to inform mariners of non-charted restricted zones around launch areas. While the Coast Guard does not
approve Virtual-AIS PATON for all restricted areas, particularly charted ones, the space launch zones are non-charted, dynamic and temporary.
Safety zones designed to keep vessels from entering the launch area while an active rocket launch is taking place.

The Captain of the Port Jacksonville, FL will activate Safety Zone "B" located near Cape Canaveral, as described in 33 CFR 165.775(a)(2), 45
minutes prior to the opening of the scheduled launch window. At that time, SpaceX will transmit Virtual-AIS aids marking the corners of the
active safety zone. The virtual-AIS aids will remain transmitting until the Captain of the Port Jacksonville has deactivated the safety zone. The
Virtual-AIS aids will be labeled:

N 28° 48.8’ W 80° 28.9’ (28.813333 -80.481667) N1*X*33CFR165.775 (A) (2), MMSI# 993663027
N 28° 29.7’ W 80° 18.9’ (28.495000 -80.315000) E2*X*33CFR165.775 (A) (2), MMSI# 993663028
N 28° 29.7’ W 80° 31.6’ (28.495000 -80.526667) S3*X*33CFR165.775 (A) (2), MMSI# 993663029
N 28° 40.1’ W 80° 38.4’ (28.668333 -80.640000) W4*X*33CFR165.775 (A) (2), MMSI# 993663030

If a vessel equipped with AIS is determined to be entering the launch hazard area, an addressed safety message 14 with the text "REGULATED
AREA 33 CFR 165.775 ACTIVE STAY CLEAR" will be transmitted to the vessel. All provisions of the safety zone remain in effect; no person or
vessel may enter, pass through or remain within the safety zone unless authorized by the Captain of the Port. Mariners are required to contact
the Coast Guard via VHF FM channel 16 to arrange for this authorization.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink v1.0 Flight 2 : January 3/4, 2020
« Reply #14 on: 12/23/2019 05:47 pm »
https://twitter.com/raul74cz/status/1209179884054036480

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Issued NOTMAR Launch Hazard Areas of #SpaceX #Starlink v1.0-L2 mission. Droneship landing 629km downrange. Fairing capture attempt approx.730km downrange.. as previous Starlink launch. Stage2 Reentry Debris Area south of Australia on the second orbit. bit.do/LHA10

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Second stage NOTAM updated again, same day but window extended by 20min.

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F3828/19 - ROCKET LAUNCH WILL TAKE PLACE REVIEW FLW RECEIVED FROM GOVERNMENT OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: HAZARDOUS OPS WILL BE CONDUCTED FOR ATMOSPHERIC RE-ENTRY AND SPLASHDOWN OF LAUNCH VEHICLE STARLINK V1.0-L2 AND PARTICIPATING SUPPORT ACFT WI THE FOLLOWING AREAS: 2943S 06007E 2455S 06427E 3845S 08430E 4512S 09945E 4946S 11913E 5042S 13819E 4850S 15644E 5146S 15808E 5442S 14832E 5620S 13103E 5552S 10750E 4911S 08505E 3432S 06413E. SFC - UNL, 2001040502 TO 2001040620 2001050440 TO 2001050558, 04 JAN 05:02 2020 UNTIL 05 JAN 05:58 2020. CREATED: 23 DEC 19:56 2019
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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink v1.0 Flight 2 : January 3/4, 2020
« Reply #16 on: 12/27/2019 03:41 am »
Ben Cooper has updated the launch time from 10:23pm EST to 10:24pm EST.

http://www.launchphotography.com/Delta_4_Atlas_5_Falcon_9_Launch_Viewing.html

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The next SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket from Cape Canaveral is scheduled to launch the next set of S
tarlink internet constellation satellites from pad 40 on January 3 at 10:24pm EST. The launch
window is instantaneous. The launch time gets 21-22 minutes earlier each day.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink v1.0 Flight 2 : January 3/4, 2020
« Reply #17 on: 12/28/2019 06:37 am »
Static fire before, on, or after New Year's?
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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink v1.0 Flight 2 : January 3/4, 2020
« Reply #18 on: 12/28/2019 02:25 pm »
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2019/12/spacex-record-breaking-2020-manifest/

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink v1.0 Flight 2 : January 3/4, 2020
« Reply #19 on: 12/28/2019 05:05 pm »
https://twitter.com/nexthorizons_/status/1210975240911773696

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The corrected launch hazard has been issued.
Backup of only a day.
This launch will put another batch of #Starlink satellites into orbit, as part of @SpaceX constellation to bring internet and communications to the world.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink v1.0 Flight 2 : January 3/4, 2020
« Reply #21 on: 12/30/2019 03:33 pm »
L-4 weather forecast (image and original PDF):

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink v1.0 Flight 2 : January 3/4, 2020
« Reply #22 on: 12/30/2019 06:38 pm »
https://twitter.com/spacexfleet/status/1211732339262406656

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Departure! Of Course I Still Love You is underway for the Starlink-L2 mission. The droneship is heading 629 km downrange.

twitter.com/maxkalika/status/1211731758460391424

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Saw her passing our cruise ship. Fair winds and calm waters!

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink v1.0 Flight 2 : January 3/4, 2020
« Reply #23 on: 12/31/2019 02:43 pm »
L-3 weather forecast (image and original PDF):

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink v1.0 Flight 2 : January 3/4, 2020
« Reply #24 on: 12/31/2019 02:50 pm »
https://twitter.com/spacexfleet/status/1212033957358907393

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Recovery technicians are experimenting with a fairing half today. I can also confirm that Ms.
Chief will not take part in the upcoming Starlink mission. GO Navigator will recover the fairing half from the water.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink v1.0 Flight 2 : January 3/4, 2020
« Reply #25 on: 12/31/2019 07:39 pm »
Per L2, this launch is sliding right a few days.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink v1.0 Flight 2 : early January, 2020
« Reply #26 on: 01/01/2020 12:13 am »
Scheduled Launch Date and Time (UTC)
December 31, 2019     04:40
January 4, 2020          03:24

The launch time has regressed 19 minutes/day between the two data points.  (76 minutes / 4 days = 19 min/d)
If the change of launch time is a linear relation, then this can be extrapolated to future dates.

January 5     03:05
January 6     02:46
January 7     02:27
January 8     02:08

EDIT 1/1 close but no match
AND:
http://www.launchphotography.com/Delta_4_Atlas_5_Falcon_9_Launch_Viewing.html
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The next SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket from Cape Canaveral is scheduled to launch the next set of Starlink internet constellation satellites from pad 40 on January 6 at 9:19pm EST. The launch window is instantaneous.
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SFN's schedule shows the launch as on January 6, ~9:20 pm Eastern (January 7, ~02:20 UTC).
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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink v1.0 Flight 2 : January 6/7, 2020
« Reply #28 on: 01/01/2020 03:34 pm »
https://twitter.com/spacexfleet/status/1212391305696989185

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It may be new year's day but the fleet is hard at work! Here's a look at OCISLY's progress since Monday.

The droneship has deviated away towards calmer seas now that the launch date has slipped to NET Jan 7th at 02:19 UTC. There's no requirement to be at the LZ so early.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink v1.0 Flight 2 : January 6/7, 2020
« Reply #29 on: 01/01/2020 10:25 pm »
twitter.com/spacexfleet/status/1212500972691431425

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Departure! GO Quest and GO Navigator are underway for the Starlink L2 mission.

GO Quest will support the droneship landing whilst GO Navigator will recover a fairing half from the water. Ms Chief will not take part in this mission because of minor damage sustained last time out

https://twitter.com/spacexfleet/status/1212502883742171136

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Haha Yess!! It is indeed 'Fairing Time'.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink v1.0 Flight 2 : early January, 2020
« Reply #30 on: 01/02/2020 02:39 pm »
Scheduled Launch Date and Time (UTC)
December 31, 2019     04:40
January 4, 2020          03:24

The launch time has regressed 19 minutes/day between the two data points.  (76 minutes / 4 days = 19 min/d)
If the change of launch time is a linear relation, then this can be extrapolated to future dates.


http://www.launchphotography.com/Delta_4_Atlas_5_Falcon_9_Launch_Viewing.html
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The launch time gets 21-22 minutes earlier each day.

which would appear to account for the difference between your "January 7 02:27" and the  "January 6 at 9:19pm EST" so I guess the 04:40 was either approximate for Dec 31 or station keeping adjs between Dec 31 and Jan 4th.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink v1.0 Flight 2 : January 6/7, 2020
« Reply #31 on: 01/02/2020 04:55 pm »
Launch weather forecast for revised date is over 90% GO:

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Launch day probability of violating launch weather constraints: < 10%
Primary concern(s): Cumulus Cloud Rule

Delay day probability of violating launch weather constraints: 20%
Primary concern(s): Cumulus Cloud Rule
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Updated second stage re-entry NOTAM:

7 Jan 0357-0515 UTC

8 Jan 0335-0453 UTC


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F0023/20 - ROCKET LAUNCH WILL TAKE PLACE REVIEW FLW RECEIVED FROM GOVERNMENT OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: HAZARDOUS OPS WILL BE CONDUCTED FOR ATMOSPHERIC RE-ENTRY AND SPLASHDOWN OF LAUNCH VEHICLE STARLINK V1.0-L2 AND PARTICIPATING SUPPORT ACFT WI THE FOLLOWING AREAS: 2943S 06007E 2455S 06427E 3845S 08430E 4512S 09945E 4946S 11913E 5042S 13819E 4850S 15644E 5146S 15808E 5442S 14832E 5620S 13103E 5552S 10750E 4911S 08505E 3432S 06413E. SFC - UNL, 2001070357 TO 2001070515 2001080335 TO 2001080453, 07 JAN 03:57 2020 UNTIL 08 JAN 04:53 2020. CREATED: 02 JAN 19:09 2020



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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink v1.0 Flight 2 : January 6/7, 2020
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L-3 launch weather forecast, no change still over 90% GO:

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Primary concern(s): Cumulus Cloud Rule

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink v1.0 Flight 2 : January 6/7, 2020
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Launch hazard and airspace closure areas

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink v1.0 Flight 2 : January 6/7, 2020
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https://twitter.com/ken_kremer/status/1213240091256279041

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink v1.0 Flight 2 : January 6/7, 2020
« Reply #36 on: 01/04/2020 06:20 am »
https://twitter.com/julia_bergeron/status/1213339910188470273

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Fair winds and following seas GO Ms. Tree. They have begun the Starlink mission before the morning weather catches up to them. #SpaceXFleet #Starlink

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https://twitter.com/spacexfleet/status/1213287622849761285

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Starlink L2 Fleet Update!

GO Navigator is heading towards the Port of Morehead City, having peeled away from OCISLY.

The droneship and accompanying ship GO Quest are not too far behind and could possibly follow the same.

https://twitter.com/spacexfleet/status/1213305997684543488

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1/5 Using a pre-launch state vector provided by SpaceX, we used STK's HPOP to propagate the orbit and fit Supplemental TLEs (SupTLEs) for the first 8 hours following deployment. Data can be found at https://celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/supplemental/.

2/5 Data assumes nominal launch on Jan 7 at 02:19:21 UTC and deployment at 03:20:32.598 UTC. TLEs are produced for the full stack and for a single object to provide a range of drag characteristics.

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5/5 Visualization of the orbit--which can be viewed in real-time mode--is available via the globe icon next to the TLE data. A link to a short YouTube video showing how to use Orbit Viz can be found at https://youtube.com/watch?v=SmI5gx7ifS0.

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Static fire test of Falcon 9 complete—targeting Monday, January 6 at 9:19 p.m. EST for launch of 60 Starlink satellites from Pad 40 in Florida - Falcon 9 first stage booster supporting this mission previously launched a Starlink mission, the Iridium-8 mission, and the Telstar 18 VANTAGE mission

https://twitter.com/spacex/status/1213516784638279685
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Is this the first time since Amos6 that SpaceX has static fired the booster WITH the payload attached?

Is this the first time since Amos6 that SpaceX has static fired the booster WITH the payload attached?

Starlink 0.9 also did a static fire with payload attached.

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Is this the first time since Amos6 that SpaceX has static fired the booster WITH the payload attached?

Starlink 0.9 also did a static fire with payload attached.
DM-1 as well IIRC.

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Is this the first time since Amos6 that SpaceX has static fired the booster WITH the payload attached?

Starlink 0.9 also did a static fire with payload attached.
DM-1 as well IIRC.
As well as Falcon Heavy Demo and IIRC STP-2.

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Is this the first time since Amos6 that SpaceX has static fired the booster WITH the payload attached?

Starlink 0.9 also did a static fire with payload attached.
DM-1 as well IIRC.
As well as Falcon Heavy Demo and IIRC STP-2.

Both of those missions had the fairing empty at the time of static fire.

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Is this the first time since Amos6 that SpaceX has static fired the booster WITH the payload attached?

Starlink 0.9 also did a static fire with payload attached.
DM-1 as well IIRC.
As well as Falcon Heavy Demo and IIRC STP-2.

No Falcon Heavy has static fired with payload. STP-2 had fairings to record vibrations and sound but was empty. Falcon Heavy demo, despite the common misconception was actually empty of the roadster. After that static fire the Heavy was rolled back and the payload was installed.

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The 1st post in the update thread say 9.19pm EST / 03.19 UTC

Surely it should be 02.19 UTC?

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It’s a beautiful night for a launch out here at the east end of the bridge on the Max Brewer Memorial Parkway
Can’t see the Falcon but a guy with a big lens has an excellent photo of the Shuttle External Tank and RSRB at the KSC Visitors Center. He was going to be real disappointed at T-0 but I helped him at least get closer to LC-40.
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What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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Love the NSF live stream, but can somebody please poke Chris G and tell him to stop with the ums and ahs!?
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Am I the only one who finds irony in the fact that this very booster launched Iridium 8?

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Ok, now I'm officially missing landing bingo... this would have been good one.

BTW, watching from CLW, FL, beautiful. Next time, up on the roof with cameras!

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Yup...just a bit too much stuffing over Xmas...need to waddle to the bullseye:)

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Very cool. Saw the first stage reentry burn again and second stage all the way to SECO.🙌
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Here you go - #SpaceX #StarLink from about 120 miles north of Cape Canaveral. Love me a night launch just for this type of shot!

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Did anyone else notice some verbiage about Space Force upon liftoff from the SpaceX web cast?

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Why is it so hard to catch the fairing? Is it the wind or something?
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Did anyone else notice some verbiage about Space Force upon liftoff from the SpaceX web cast?

I didn't specifically notice it, but the range is now Space Force rather than Air Force.

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Congratulations to SpaceX for the successful launch! Thanks also to Chris and NSF for providing their stream.

View of first stage separation that I missed capturing.
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Ah. I think they said "Space Force inaugural launch."

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It is interesting that this is the third time we have a loss of video exactly when deployment occurs.

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It is interesting that this is the third time we have a loss of video exactly when deployment occurs.

I'm beginning to believe the tension rods/separation system is proprietary which is why the video cuts.

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Just for reference...

https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1214369681412435968

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Why is it so hard to catch the fairing? Is it the wind or something?

My guess is yes... wind

Go watch some early films of light slow airplanes trying to land on early aircraft carriers...


There is a learning curve is my guess... give em time...  ;)

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Just for reference...

https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1214369681412435968

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Sounds like they’re enjoying their new name.

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We are live! Join us as we watch history in the making. First launch of US Space Force!

I wish they'd word it differently, like "First launch supported by US Space Force", otherwise people may misunderstand that it is a launch for or by the Space Force while in reality it's a commercial launch of commercial satellites.

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It is interesting that this is the third time we have a loss of video exactly when deployment occurs.

I'm beginning to believe the tension rods/separation system is proprietary which is why the video cuts.

Same here, I just wish they would say it instead of saying "lets watching it live" and fake a transmission problem (if they are faking it, the possibility that it is a transmission problem remains but 3 time just a the moment of the release is strange)

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It is interesting that this is the third time we have a loss of video exactly when deployment occurs.

I'm beginning to believe the tension rods/separation system is proprietary which is why the video cuts.

I had thought it was avoiding public outcry over releasing space junk. It is cool that you can see the tension rod floating away in this stream.

Quick thought, would it be too much risk to the deorbit burn to loosely tether them to S2 with a cord?

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My shot of the launch. Two picture composite (one of some star trails I took an hour beforehand, and the launch itself).
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Despite the slightly higher satellite deployment altitude, SpaceX appear to have performed essentially the same launch profile for their first two Starlink 1.0 missions. I can't split them.

Considering S2's thrust 2 weight ratio at the end of its first burn, the difference in orbits might be as little as burning only a split second longer to push apoapsis a bit higher - and the 2nd burn is so short, half of the delta-V seems to come from spool-up and spool-down residuals.

So the final orbit can differ quite a bit without any change to trajectory at all and miniscul changes to S2 burn time,

That's the advantage of doing a circularization burn, you have a lot of freedom to fly the most optimal insertion trajectory (which there is little reason to change)

if they were doing a single burn direct insertion, they'd have to fly steeper to end up higher, but then it's no longer  Hohmann transfer and more wasteful and might be less precise, too.

If there was a change in payload mass, we'd probably also see a change in trajectory, but I assume the changes in payload mass are too small to show between these flights.

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This was the 48th Falcon 9 launch from SLC 40, not including the AMOS 6 accident.  Titan 3C/34D/4 flew 55 times from this site from 1965 to 2005.  Soon, probably this year, Falcon 9 will surpass the Titan numbers (after only a decade of service).  (Atlas 5 has long-surpassed Titan at SLC 41 - there've been 66 Atlas 5 launches versus only 27 for Titan 3C/3E/4.)

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This was the 48th Falcon 9 launch from SLC 40, not including the AMOS 6 accident.  Titan 3C/34D/4 flew 55 times from this site from 1965 to 2005.  Soon, probably this year, Falcon 9 will surpass the Titan numbers (after only a decade of service).  (Atlas 5 has long-surpassed Titan at SLC 41 - there've been 66 Atlas 5 launches versus only 27 for Titan 3C/3E/4.)

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And off topic but to round it up, Saturn I/IB launched 8 times from SLC-37, while Delta IV/Heavy has flown 32 times.

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It is interesting that this is the third time we have a loss of video exactly when deployment occurs.

Yeah, seriously, I'd rather they just say it's proprietary or whatever instead of saying the transmission cuts.

One final possibility, though - haven't all three Starlink launches so far been launched in exactly the same initial orbit? Is it possible that there really is a coverage blackout at exactly that point? Maybe someone could check the ground station callouts to get a sense if that's possible?

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Latest @SpaceX ephemerides are available for 57 of the 60 latest #Starlink satellites, including STARLINK-1130 (DARKSAT): https://celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/supplemental/table.php?tleFile=starlink&title=Starlink&orbits=0&pointsPerRev=90&frame=1

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It is interesting that this is the third time we have a loss of video exactly when deployment occurs.

Yeah, seriously, I'd rather they just say it's proprietary or whatever instead of saying the transmission cuts.

One final possibility, though - haven't all three Starlink launches so far been launched in exactly the same initial orbit? Is it possible that there really is a coverage blackout at exactly that point? Maybe someone could check the ground station callouts to get a sense if that's possible?
They haven't lost telemetry, there was a clear callout for confirmation of tension rod release during the video cutout, it is possible that the spinning of the stage puts the high data rate antenna out of position at the moment of deployment. I agree 3 times in a row is getting suspicious. It might really be due to unintended datalink issues, but it is not coincidence whether intentional or not.

What I would like to know (and if there was an explanation, I missed it) why do they wait 15 minutes between the final burn and separation? Typically this isn't immediate, as the stage does final checks and changes to the desired deployment orientation, but this seems unusually long, and has been consistent for each Starlink launch.

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It is interesting that this is the third time we have a loss of video exactly when deployment occurs.

Yeah, seriously, I'd rather they just say it's proprietary or whatever instead of saying the transmission cuts.

One final possibility, though - haven't all three Starlink launches so far been launched in exactly the same initial orbit? Is it possible that there really is a coverage blackout at exactly that point? Maybe someone could check the ground station callouts to get a sense if that's possible?
They haven't lost telemetry, there was a clear callout for confirmation of tension rod release during the video cutout, it is possible that the spinning of the stage puts the high data rate antenna out of position at the moment of deployment. I agree 3 times in a row is getting suspicious. It might really be due to unintended datalink issues, but it is not coincidence whether intentional or not.

What I would like to know (and if there was an explanation, I missed it) why do they wait 15 minutes between the final burn and separation? Typically this isn't immediate, as the stage does final checks and changes to the desired deployment orientation, but this seems unusually long, and has been consistent for each Starlink launch.

IIRC didn't they say on Starlink V0.9 they expect to lose video coverage due to going to a place with bad connection. I agree 15 minutes is quite long especially seeing how they've done it a lot now. I have a feelings it's done intentionally there to avoid having to intentionally cut feed and also hide deployment. Whether to hide company secrets, or avoid bad PR by releasing two bits of debris, I don't know.

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It is interesting that this is the third time we have a loss of video exactly when deployment occurs.

Yeah, seriously, I'd rather they just say it's proprietary or whatever instead of saying the transmission cuts.

One final possibility, though - haven't all three Starlink launches so far been launched in exactly the same initial orbit? Is it possible that there really is a coverage blackout at exactly that point? Maybe someone could check the ground station callouts to get a sense if that's possible?
They haven't lost telemetry, there was a clear callout for confirmation of tension rod release during the video cutout, it is possible that the spinning of the stage puts the high data rate antenna out of position at the moment of deployment. I agree 3 times in a row is getting suspicious. It might really be due to unintended datalink issues, but it is not coincidence whether intentional or not.

What I would like to know (and if there was an explanation, I missed it) why do they wait 15 minutes between the final burn and separation? Typically this isn't immediate, as the stage does final checks and changes to the desired deployment orientation, but this seems unusually long, and has been consistent for each Starlink launch.

IIRC didn't they say on Starlink V0.9 they expect to lose video coverage due to going to a place with bad connection. I agree 15 minutes is quite long especially seeing how they've done it a lot now. I have a feelings it's done intentionally there to avoid having to intentionally cut feed and also hide deployment. Whether to hide company secrets, or avoid bad PR by releasing two bits of debris, I don't know.

I have wondered if it's IP protection. The strongest protection you can get for innovative stuff, often better than filing for a patent, is treating it as a trade secret. But that means actually keeping it secret or the protection vanishes. As the first mover, it may be desirable to do so.

As for the fifteen minutes between the burn and deployment, there's all sorts of stuff that needs to happen until the stack is spun up properly. The whole thing weighs over 20 tons, with 30 joints in a row at one end, sloshing fuel in the other and not a lot of maneuvering thrust.
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As for the fifteen minutes between the burn and deployment, there's all sorts of stuff that needs to happen until the stack is spun up properly. The whole thing weighs over 20 tons, with 30 joints in a row at one end, sloshing fuel in the other and not a lot of maneuvering thrust.

Seems like something that can be trimmed back with time once they learn how these stacks fly.  Who's ever launched and deployed 60 birds like this at once.

I want to see if they reach a point where 60 out of 60 satellites work with each launch.

Dragon 2, Starship and Starlink, this is going to be a very exciting year to be watching SpaceX.

Edit: Any word or video on fairing recovery?
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Are we not expecting all 60 to work?
What yield are you expecting?

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https://twitter.com/TSKelso/status/1214562257889136645

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Latest @SpaceX ephemerides are available for 57 of the 60 latest #Starlink satellites, including STARLINK-1130 (DARKSAT): https://celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/supplemental/table.php?tleFile=starlink&title=Starlink&orbits=0&pointsPerRev=90&frame=1

Just in case someone mistaken this to mean 3 out of 60 didn't work, the celestrak page now has data for all 60 Starlink satellites, just to go the link in the tweet and search for "2020-001".


https://twitter.com/TSKelso/status/1214562257889136645

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Latest @SpaceX ephemerides are available for 57 of the 60 latest #Starlink satellites, including STARLINK-1130 (DARKSAT): https://celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/supplemental/table.php?tleFile=starlink&title=Starlink&orbits=0&pointsPerRev=90&frame=1

Just in case someone mistaken this to mean 3 out of 60 didn't work, the celestrak page now has data for all 60 Starlink satellites, just to go the link in the tweet and search for "2020-001".

2020-001BM     71144   STARLINK-1144   90.40   53.00   295   294   0.0001000   N/A   0.20
2019-029A     44235   STARLINK-31    95.23   53.00   531   529   0.0001459       0.21

This data is prelaunch, supplemental info, I don't think SpaceX reported the actual positions yet. 

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https://twitter.com/TSKelso/status/1214562257889136645

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Latest @SpaceX ephemerides are available for 57 of the 60 latest #Starlink satellites, including STARLINK-1130 (DARKSAT): https://celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/supplemental/table.php?tleFile=starlink&title=Starlink&orbits=0&pointsPerRev=90&frame=1

Just in case someone mistaken this to mean 3 out of 60 didn't work, the celestrak page now has data for all 60 Starlink satellites, just to go the link in the tweet and search for "2020-001".

2020-001BM     71144   STARLINK-1144   90.40   53.00   295   294   0.0001000   N/A   0.20
2019-029A     44235   STARLINK-31    95.23   53.00   531   529   0.0001459       0.21

This data is prelaunch, supplemental info, I don't think SpaceX reported the actual positions yet.

Celestrak has TLEs for 2020-001, which is the lateest Starlink launch, that are 0.24 days (6 hours) old. Those would appear to be from SpaceX.

https://celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/supplemental/table.php?tleFile=starlink&title=Starlink&orbits=0&pointsPerRev=90&frame=1

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Anybody know what happened to the fairing half they were trying to catch?  I thought they were going to try to catch one and fish the other out of the water.  I saw the comment about a parafoil hanging from one of the arms but wouldn't they still try to fish the second one out of the water if they missed catching it?  ???
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Anybody know what happened to the fairing half they were trying to catch?  I thought they were going to try to catch one and fish the other out of the water.  I saw the comment about a parafoil hanging from one of the arms but wouldn't they still try to fish the second one out of the water if they missed catching it?  ???
It may have hit the water too hard but there's no way to know unless SpaceX release something.

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Anybody know what happened to the fairing half they were trying to catch?  I thought they were going to try to catch one and fish the other out of the water.  I saw the comment about a parafoil hanging from one of the arms but wouldn't they still try to fish the second one out of the water if they missed catching it?  ???
It may have hit the water too hard but there's no way to know unless SpaceX release something.
Seeing the parachute was in the net and based on what we see from other landings. The parachute hit the net, the parachute dropped the fairing and it hit the boat and water hard and was destroyed. They likely then just left it to be destroyed from the  waves.

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Seeing the parachute was in the net ...

I have utterly failed in finding any photos of the latest attempt.  Any links to the chute in the net?

TIA, and have a good one,
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Seeing the parachute was in the net ...

I have utterly failed in finding any photos of the latest attempt.  Any links to the chute in the net?

TIA, and have a good one,
Mike

There is am image here..shows a bit...

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=45083.476

edit...image at bottom of page in thread.
« Last Edit: 01/11/2020 01:03 am by Draggendrop »

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Have the satellites spread out enough yet for the darksat to be individually identified?  Would be interesting to know how much the reflection is being cut down.  Of course, the real result won't be known until it reaches final altitude.

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Have the satellites spread out enough yet for the darksat to be individually identified?  Would be interesting to know how much the reflection is being cut down.  Of course, the real result won't be known until it reaches final altitude.

They spread out in 1-2 days after the launch. STARLINK-1130 aka DarkSat is the fifth in the second sparse train of 20 satellites following a dense train of 39.

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Confirmation from @SpaceX: During the early mission phase we are in a low-drag configuration in which the back of the solar array will contribute to the brightness of the satellite. Because the surface area of the solar array is so much larger than the chassis, we expect the impact from the experimental coating to be less noticeable during this period. We are not using a special orientation for the darkened satellite.

That's an indirect response to "This evening I got my first view of #DarkSat, the @SpaceX #Starlink satellite with a special coating to make it less bright in the night sky. The combined image below shows that #DarkSat is not much fainter than some of the other #Starlink satellites... What is going on here?"

Check the whole thread out, it includes a DarkSat observation: https://twitter.com/TSKelso/status/1217922807826386945
« Last Edit: 01/17/2020 05:06 am by Hummy »

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I have several threads for Starlink that keep hovering near the top of the list because of tracking updates.  Instead of having these tracking updates spread across multiple threads, which is going to continue to multiply throughout the year, would it make sense to have a single tracking thread for all of Starlink?  That would let the individual launch threads go quiet and avoid having two dozen of the update threads sitting on top of the missions page.  I'm not sure if the combined thread belongs in "missions" or "general", but I feel like having it spreads across potentially dozens of threads is not going to work long term.

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...would it make sense to have a single tracking thread for all of Starlink? 

That would be great.  I'd go a step further and once satellites were successfully moving into their orbits drop them off the list as well.  That way only those with degrading orbits or similar issues would be documented.  Otherwise we're going to be monitoring dozens of satellites in transition.

Have a good one,
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The main launch manifest thread has a table of recent and future launches.  Would it make sense for a Starlink tracking thread to maintain a list of satellites showing details like launch date, status, and plane (if we can come up with a numbering scheme)?  The list would get rather long once this year's slate of launches are complete but it might give a good overview of the constellation.
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I have several threads for Starlink that keep hovering near the top of the list because of tracking updates.  Instead of having these tracking updates spread across multiple threads, which is going to continue to multiply throughout the year, would it make sense to have a single tracking thread for all of Starlink?  That would let the individual launch threads go quiet and avoid having two dozen of the update threads sitting on top of the missions page.  I'm not sure if the combined thread belongs in "missions" or "general", but I feel like having it spreads across potentially dozens of threads is not going to work long term.

I had been thinking about creating a thread like that and just hadn't gotten around to doing it.  I'll make some new Starlink threads later today.  They'll probably start out as empty threads and I might then go back and add earlier posts at the beginning of them.

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The main launch manifest thread has a table of recent and future launches.  Would it make sense for a Starlink tracking thread to maintain a list of satellites showing details like launch date, status, and plane (if we can come up with a numbering scheme)?  The list would get rather long once once this years slate of launches are complete but it might give a good overview of the constellation.

That's just not going to work as a forum post.

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All this discussion of threads is getting “meta”
My suggestion, before these posts all get moved or deleted, is a separate section for Starlink.
We can keep the launches and first stages in Missions and General, but once on orbit, all discussion and observations could shift to that dedicated section, along with all discussion of Starlink in general, like the structure of the constellation, interference with astronomy, pricing, etc.
This is no longer in the vein of our initial interests in a specific launch.
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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