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#140 by Mark7777777 on 28 Nov, 2019 18:49
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The last part of the article is behind a paywall but I wondered if:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24432580-500-exotic-super-magnets-could-shake-up-medicine-cosmology-and-computing/
had any relevance to this thread?
Edit: I found this after searching on the author:
https://www.academia.edu/25131365/_Nicola_A._Spaldin_Magnetic_Materials_Fundamenta_BookZZ.org_
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#141 by TheTraveller on 29 Nov, 2019 12:32
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Guys,
This is a hot air effect?
Please rethink.
Instead think of the compression of the scales' spring and the stored potential energy in the scales' spring vs the EmDrive's upward thrust, which shows up on the scale as reduced EmDrive weight, releasing some of the scales compressed spring potential energy to push the EmDrive upward.
Yes there is a min required upward force from the spring's potential energy, which shows as the linear ramp to the right & the peak to the left, to cause the Flight Thruster to engage Motor Mode and self generate the sustained small end directed Reaction Force.
And to add a bit more as the EmDrive gains momentum, the photons in the cavity lose a matching amount of momentum, their wavelengths increasing.
Need to say the momentum of photons in the cavity are 100% a part of the universe's momentum, despite some here claiming the photons inside the cavity are somehow isolated from the universe.
Interesting idea from some here that you can dump momentum inside a cavity and it is somehow isolated from the universe.
Very clear CofM violation there.
Plus they claim the cavity photon momentum loss is not related to the EmDrive accelerated mass gained momentum.
Defying CofM.
Clearly not making a lot of sense but maybe pushing an agenda that the EmDrive can't work.
Reality is EmDrive physics 101.
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#142 by meberbs on 29 Nov, 2019 18:14
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Yes there is a min required upward force from the spring's potential energy, which shows as the linear ramp to the right & the peak to the left, to cause the Flight Thruster to engage Motor Mode and self generate the sustained small end directed Reaction Force.
See previous conversations explaining how you are misusing th term "reaction force" and how you have never specified a meaningful minimum.And to add a bit more as the EmDrive gains momentum, the photons in the cavity lose a matching amount of momentum, their wavelengths increasing.
Again, you fail to note that momentum has direction, and since photons are moving in opposite directions in the cavity, for a cavity at rest, the net momentum of the photons is exactly zero, and for a moving cavity, the net momentum is so close to 0, that it has no measureable impact on anything.Need to say the momentum of photons in the cavity are 100% a part of the universe's momentum, despite some here claiming the photons inside the cavity are somehow isolated from the universe.
This is a strawman argument, no one has said that. In fact, to the contrary, I asked you to do a simple calculation adding up all of the momentum of everything, before and after the drive was used to show how momentum conservation is always broken by a working emDrive.Interesting idea from some here that you can dump momentum inside a cavity and it is somehow isolated from the universe.
What are you talking about? The clear momentum violation is where you turn on an emDrive let it run for a bit turn it off, and it now magically has momentum, yet there is no balancing momentum left anywhere in the universe (photons all have been absorbed by cavity walls.)
Very clear CofM violation there.Plus they claim the cavity photon momentum loss is not related to the EmDrive accelerated mass gained momentum.
More strawman, please try actual reading my posts.Clearly not making a lot of sense but maybe pushing an agenda that the EmDrive can't work.
A working propellantless thruster would be awesome. Using attack like "having an agenda" when confronted with simple physics facts is a good way to convince people that you have no real argument.
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#143 by TheTraveller on 29 Nov, 2019 18:34
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Maybe consider your position when Martin Tajmar & 2 other verifiers post the Flight Thruster replicant I provided to them does exhibit thrust as claimed.
And YES when cavity photons lose momentum and exhibit overall increased wavelength that represents their overall momentum loss, which matches the momentum gained by the EmDrive accelerated mass, CofM is conserved.
No magic involved, just a new type of machine that converts electrical momentum, yes electricity has momentum, into accelerative mass momentum.
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#144 by meberbs on 29 Nov, 2019 19:05
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And when it doesn't when run with a setup that actually is not highly susceptible to errors, (again, the type of balance you plan to build is one others have already demonstrated as being susceptible to a variety of difficult errors to remove.) I say when, not if because the available data does not support any reasonable possibility of the emDrive working.....
Maybe consider your position when Martin Tajmar & 2 other verifiers post the Flight Thruster replicant I provided to them does exhibit thrust as claimed.
There is no experiment that could ever be performed that shows an emDrive working within the constraints you have claimed and conserving momentum. The only way to show both a working emDrive and conservation of momentum would be to demonstrate the existence of something new expelled by the drive carrying away the momentum.And YES when cavity photons lose momentum and exhibit overall increased wavelength that represents momentum loss, which matches the momentum gained by the EmDrive accelerated mass, CofM is conserved.
Again, lose what momentum? As I already explained the net momentum is essentially 0.No magic involved, just a new type of machine that converts electrical momentum, yes electricity has momentum, into accelerative mass momentum.
Any such machine as described by you violates both energy and momentum conservation. You have been shown the math on this multiple times. No experiment is needed to resolve this, as all you have to do is provided a consistent description of a working emDrive and add up the momentum or energy.
(And yes, the electrons in electricity carry momentum, but circuits are generally loops, so except in special circumstances, the momentum cancels, and special circumstances are things like charging up a single sided capacitor. A battery sitting at rest on a table does not have momentum though if that is what you mean.) -
#145 by TheTraveller on 29 Nov, 2019 19:20
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So when cavity photons lose momentum and have longer wavelengths, as the EmDrive accelerated mass gains the same momentum, you somehow reject this conserves CofM?
Mate maybe consider how momentum transfer occurs in an electrical motor?
BTW we call our soon to be released commercial EmDrive like thruster a Momentum Transfer Drive (MTD).
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#146 by meberbs on 30 Nov, 2019 01:44
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You are just repeating the same thing you said in the last 2 posts, and my response hasn't changed. You are simply ignoring facts I mentioned such as the net momentum of the photons in a cavity having essentially net zero momentum, or the basic fact that momentum inherently includes direction.....
So when cavity photons lose momentum and have longer wavelengths, as the EmDrive accelerated mass gains the same momentum, you somehow reject this conserves CofM?
If you are not going to respond to the words I am saying, and just repeat your original incorrect assertions, please don't use the reply function in response to my posts.Mate maybe consider how momentum transfer occurs in an electrical motor?
An electric motor attached to nothing just spins parts in one direction and parts in the other, and doesn't have net linear momentum. When attached to a wheel for example, the wheeled device has the wheels push against a surface, and the momentum transfer is between the wheel and the surface. I have considered things like this, however I do not get the impression that you have. -
#147 by Alex_O on 30 Nov, 2019 08:23
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The last part of the article is behind a paywall but I wondered if:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24432580-500-exotic-super-magnets-could-shake-up-medicine-cosmology-and-computing/
had any relevance to this thread?
Edit: I found this after searching on the author:
https://www.academia.edu/25131365/_Nicola_A._Spaldin_Magnetic_Materials_Fundamenta_BookZZ.org_
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiferroics.
It has a direct relationship. It seems to me that Paul March’s MLT with (if MLT could use) using these Multiferroics and (importantly) crossed ExB fields - MLT will work much better. But you cannot explain all this to yourself in the framework of electrodynamics. Since there is no theoretical model of the so-called physical vacuum in electrodynamics, Maxwell's electrodynamics cannot discuss possible algorithms for the interaction of multiferroics, ExB and physical vacuum in general and in general. All IMHO.
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#148 by Alex_O on 30 Nov, 2019 08:47
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Maybe consider your position when Martin Tajmar & 2 other verifiers post the Flight Thruster replicant I provided to them does exhibit thrust as claimed.
And YES when cavity photons lose momentum and exhibit overall increased wavelength that represents their overall momentum loss, which matches the momentum gained by the EmDrive accelerated mass, CofM is conserved.
No magic involved, just a new type of machine that converts electrical momentum, yes electricity has momentum, into accelerative mass momentum.
Congratulations, Have you already learned how your MTD transmits (radiates) an impulse from the inside of a closed system (such as a black box) to the environment?
Note.
Do you have a suitable physical model for this? (there are two algorithms for emitting the pulse from a black box into the environment - using EM and gravitational waves. Where the physics (phenomena) of EM and GR provide the engineer, MTD developer with a transport protocol in some way (a transport protocol for transmitting momentum (or energy) via space emptiness through space.) To explain the MTD, it seems to me that you should come up with a new, third transport protocol. -
#149 by TheTraveller on 01 Dec, 2019 16:49
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Congratulations, Have you already learned how your MTD transmits (radiates) an impulse from the inside of a closed system (such as a black box) to the environment?
Hi Alex,
Trapped cavity photons and their momentum are a part of the universe, the environment.
Being trapped inside the metal cavity does not isolate their momentum from the universe.
Electrical momentum, converted into Rf momentum, converted into cavity photon momentum, transfers momentum from outside the cavity to inside it. That the photons can not escape the cavity, due to their wavelength vs skin depth does not magically remove/isolate the trapped photon momentum from the universe. While we see the cavity as a closed box, in terms of the universe it is not closed and what happens inside the cavity is not isolated from the universe.
If that were the case, such a cavity would violate CofM as when photons were created inside the cavity, their momentum would no longer exist in the wider universe. Of course such a model is not the correct model.
When the EmDrive accelerates mass and it gains momentum, the trapped photons, the source of the gained momentum, lose momentum and their wavelengths increase.
Overall momentum in the universe does not change.
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#150 by X_RaY on 01 Dec, 2019 19:16
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Of course, everything is part of the universe.
Your sentences sound logical to the layman, but they are not. You continue to ignore where the original electrical induced impulse is transferred to. The energy is stored in the EM field, which dissolves through eddy currents in the conductive boundaries due to the resistance of the material and the associated losses. The particles of the conductive wall itself are excited/heated to move faster as this heat spreads outward and is radiated away in the infrared spectrum with the efficiency of a simple photon rocket, but isotropic in every direction.
It is obvious that any EM induced force inside the EM drive cavity balances each other out. This is because the field vectors alternate and the radiation inside moves in opposite directions.
You have not yet shown anything plausible that would explain what you think the cavity can do.
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So again, without some kind of NEW physics there is no way to explain or predict the propulsion of such cavity resonator higher than of a photon rocket. The Doppler-effect is so well understood that we can easily reject this as the source of thrust in the way you try to 'explain' it.
TT, I would like to understand your point so let me ask:
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#151 by meberbs on 01 Dec, 2019 19:17
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Before getting into any specifics, it seems that you still fail to understand that momentum is a vector quantity, not a scalar quantity. It has a direction associated with it, and momentum in opposite directions cancels. If you don't understand what terms like vector and scalar mean, please pick up an introductory physics textbook, or use some of the many resources on the web. This is not the place to give a tutorial on them.
Trapped cavity photons and their momentum are a part of the universe, the environment.
Of course, they are part of the universe, just like the cavity is. This does not mean however they they can magically exchange momentum with the moon, or acquire momentum from the other side of the universe.
Being trapped inside the metal cavity does not isolate their momentum from the universe.Electrical momentum, converted into Rf momentum, converted into cavity photon momentum, transfers momentum from outside the cavity to inside it.
To start with, there is no electrical momentum in the initial condition. The power source (lets say a battery for convenience) sitting at rest has no momentum. For there to be linear momentum, there has to be something that is net moving in a certain direction, and that is simply not true for a battery sitting on a table.
Second, for an RF resonant cavity at rest, the photons have exactly zero momentum, as there are photons moving in opposite directions so the momentum cancels out. This is the logical result, because the photons came from a battery that had no momentum. (If the photons had all been emitted in preferentially one direction, the the battery would have acquired opposite momentum to the photons.)
Third, you are free to consider the battery as outside the cavity, however the battery is glued to the cavity, so even in the case with the photons all moving in one direction, the battery would be pushed in the opposite direction, and would pull the cavity with it, so the net result would cancel out and things would remain at rest once all has settled, with maybe some minor (really immeasurably small) motion back and forth of the cavity walls.That the photons can not escape the cavity, due to their wavelength vs skin depth does not magically remove/isolate the trapped photon momentum from the universe.
Again, it does in fact leave them with no mechanism to transfer momentum to anything other than the walls of the cavity.While we see the cavity as a closed box, in terms of the universe it is not closed and what happens inside the cavity is not isolated from the universe.
For a typical antenna in a cavity the photons are emitted symmetrically, so for any photon emitted in one direction, there is also one emitted in the opposite direction, conserving momentum. If the antenna is set up in such a way to emit photons in a preferential direction, then conservation of momentum, then the antenna feels a force in the opposite direction of the emission of the photons, again balancing momentum. (And just like the battery, the antenna is rigidly attached to the cavity walls. Transferring momentum from the photons to the cavity just cancels this back out.)
If that were the case, such a cavity would violate CofM as when photons were created inside the cavity, their momentum would no longer exist in the wider universe. Of course such a model is not the correct model.When the EmDrive accelerates mass and it gains momentum, the trapped photons, the source of the gained momentum, lose momentum and their wavelengths increase.
They had no net momentum to lose. Even if you magically set it up so that all of the photons were temporarily travelling in one direction, so that they had net momentum, then in the setup process, you would have given the cavity momentum in the opposite direction. Within 1 ns, the photons will reflect off the back wall reversing both their direction and the motion of the cavity. At all times, the cavity momentum and the photon momentum are equal and opposite, and all either could ever do is move back and forth in place. If the photon momentum decreases in magnitude, so does the cavity momentum, until all of the photons are absorbed, and the cavity is at rest.Overall momentum in the universe does not change.
These statements are both true. Since we started with a battery that had 0 momentum, transferred that momentum to photons that had net zero momentum, we end up continuing to transfer that 0 momentum to the cavity walls which will not move anywhere, conserving momentum.
CofM is conserved.
The only way to claim momentum conservation given that the total momentum of the universe starts out at 0, is to point to something outside the system (not something like a battery or antenna attached to the cavity) which ends up with net momentum in the opposite direction of the cavity. -
#152 by Alex_O on 02 Dec, 2019 16:49
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Congratulations, Have you already learned how your MTD transmits (radiates) an impulse from the inside of a closed system (such as a black box) to the environment?
Hi Alex,Trapped cavity photons and their momentum are a part of the universe, the environment.Being trapped inside the metal cavity does not isolate their momentum from the universe.
Hi TT. I like this idea, I want to offer to look at it again. I thought that if we make the Emdrive resonator from copper with a very thin wall thickness. It may be one atomic atomic layer thick. Turn on the RF power and place it in the vacuum chamber. Then, we look at it all through the eyes of the physicist of quantum mechanics.
That's what such a physicist can see, I quote a fragment from == Paul Davis. "Superpower. The search for a unified theory of nature" (sorry, this is Google translation from Russian, I did not find the original book)QuoteWhen physicists began to develop quantum field theory, it turned out that the vacuum was not at all what it had been imagined for a long time - it was not an empty lifeless space devoid of substance. It turned out that quantum physics is capable of “tricks” even in the absence of quantum particles.
The source of such “tricks” is the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, more precisely, its variety related to energy. In ch. 2 we talked about the fact that quantum effects can suspend the law of conservation of energy for a very short time. During this period of time, energy can be borrowed for various purposes, including the birth of particles. Of course, all particles resulting from this will be short-lived, since the energy expended on them must be returned after a negligible fraction of a second. Nevertheless, particles can arise from nothing, gaining a fleeting being, before disappearing again. And this fleeting activity cannot be prevented. No matter how we try to empty the space, there will always be a swarm of fleeting particles, the occurrence of which is “subsidized” by the Heisenberg relation. These ghost particles cannot be observed, although they can leave traces of their short-term existence. They are a kind of “virtual” particles, similar to interaction carriers, but not intended for receiving or transmitting signals. Having emerged from the void, they again turn into it, providing a clear evidence of the existence of a force field and remaining at the same time ethereal ghosts.
What seemed like empty space is actually teeming with virtual particles. The vacuum is not lifeless and faceless, but full of energy. A “real” particle, such as an electron, should always be considered against the background of this continuous activity. Moving in space, the electron actually turns out to be in the circle of ghost particles - virtual leptons, quarks and interaction carriers - which is confusing in this mess. By his presence, he introduces disturbance into the continuous activity of the vacuum, which in turn affects the electron. Even in a state of rest, an electron does not know rest: from all sides it is constantly stormed by other particles that have emerged from vacuum.
If two electrons exchange a photon, then this is nothing more than an additional perturbation in the pre-existing exchange system. The description of particle interaction should take into account all these additional virtual quanta. In the presence of force fields, the full state of a given particle includes the processes of exchange of two, three, or a large number of mediator particles that interact with vacuum particles so that the original particle and mediator particles are literally surrounded by virtual particles. There is an infinite number of interactions, all in the same instant.
Why I chose this fragment from the book. I thought that if the thickness of the copper wall is one atom, then all these virtual vacuum gadgets are vacuum particles (note - I didn’t coined the term vacuum particle) - all these gadgets, well, they’ll be there, and the resonator’s EM photons will definitely be interact with these virtual vacuum particles with a high probability (more than 5 sigma). (For example, through the eddy current electrons, do you understand this idea?)
So, the momentum of the EM photon (which is reflected from the copper walls) - well, he will also create his own physics in the virtual world. But outside the resonator. In the sense of the universe (if endowed with reason) - it will know and feel exactly how EM photons fly and reflect in the EM resonator, and create their own reaction (disturbance).
Then I thought that if you put a thin wall of copper (1 atom thick) in a very thick layer of copper, it means that we just built (as a mechanical engineer) a mount. Well, they made the case, like a tube mount on a laboratory bench. But all these vacuum virtual particles and so on - it still remained in the system. And the thick walls of the copper casing cannot prevent EM photons from interacting and exchanging energy with the universe (through its virtual particles). But look - this can be controlled by changing (obviously) the physical properties of a thick layer of copper shell.
Do you understand what that means? The wall thickness and something at the level of the crystal lattice of the copper case - can help or create a harmful effect. -
#153 by mwvp on 03 Dec, 2019 04:42
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May I...... You continue to ignore where the original electrical induced impulse is transferred to.
Lets admit a coupling loop excites counter-propagating, monochromatic RF momentum in a conical frustrum...The energy is stored in the EM field, which dissolves through eddy currents in the conductive boundaries due to the resistance of the material and the associated losses. The particles of the conductive wall itself are excited/heated to move faster as this heat spreads outward and is radiated away in the infrared spectrum with the efficiency of a simple photon rocket, but isotropic in every direction.
Granted. However, what if the frustrum accelerates (because you kick its posterior base out the airlock)? Doppler shifts at both base and apex spread the reflected, Q-multiplied, high-intensity stored energy. Yes?
Lets consider the frustrum. Is it, or can we make it, anisotropic WRT dissipation? Tuned to a center frequency, high frequencies penetrate further into the apex, where there is less metal for inductive absorption & dissipation. Low frequencies are reflected by the loss-less capacitive impedance of free space.
At the base, low frequency currents are preferentially dissipated by larger copper-loss. Isn't this how disipative RF-trap filters work? Sympathetic vibrations, momentum, finds dissipative resonant-filter thermal exhaust ports.
If we have anisotropic acceleration along the frustrum axis, we have anisotropic doppler shifting (momentum exchange between RF field and frustrum). And if we have anisotropic dissipation of frequency, we discriminate frequencies and selectively dissipate reverse from forward momentum.
Thus, we have a thermal exhaust port, but only for reverse, down shifted momentum. In an extreme Q (brick-wall filter) frustrum, its as if there is a photon-piston only letting down-shifted, reverse momentum exit the cavity through the rear.
Sound simple in theory. In practice, not so much!So again, without some kind of NEW physics there is no way to explain or predict the propulsion of such cavity resonator higher than of a photon rocket. The Doppler-effect is so well understood that we can easily reject this as the source of thrust in the way you try to 'explain' it.
No new physics. The physics and thermodynamics is described by laser/sideband cooling. The system must be tuned on the edge of the red-side phase-slope. The slope of the curve, that is the cavity dispersion, determines the gain over a mere photon rocket, which would be a cavity with the apex totally reflective and the base absorptive, Q=1.
Again, only let photons/RF get absorbed and thermalized after they've been red-shifted delivering a tiny impulse momentum at the apex. Recycle photons based on frequency. Only let the photons out that give a + momentum impulse to the apex and get more absorbptive as the photons get redder and redder. -
#154 by trm14 on 03 Dec, 2019 06:56
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No new physics. The physics and thermodynamics is described by laser/sideband cooling. The system must be tuned on the edge of the red-side phase-slope. The slope of the curve, that is the cavity dispersion, determines the gain over a mere photon rocket, which would be a cavity with the apex totally reflective and the base absorptive, Q=1.
Again, only let photons/RF get absorbed and thermalized after they've been red-shifted delivering a tiny impulse momentum at the apex. Recycle photons based on frequency. Only let the photons out that give a + momentum impulse to the apex and get more absorbptive as the photons get redder and redder.
If there's no new physics, can you tell what happens to momentum when EM Drive starts moving? What balances its momentum so that conservation laws are not violated. And don't say dissipation or thermalisation, neither of those can make momentum magically disappear without new physics. -
#155 by ilando on 03 Dec, 2019 07:16
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If there's no new physics, can you tell what happens to momentum when EM Drive starts moving? What balances its momentum so that conservation laws are not violated. And don't say dissipation or thermalisation, neither of those can make momentum magically disappear without new physics.
The EM 'Drive' doesn't move thus satisfying COM and COE. It's that simple. -
#156 by cvbn on 03 Dec, 2019 11:39
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McCulloch's work with DARPA grant will continue:
https://twitter.com/memcculloch/status/1199069229544361984
Also someone tried to make a version of the LEMdrive experiment with visible LED light instead of microwaves (see Taylor's paper: https://www.jbis.org.uk/paper/2017.70.238 ), but he did not have sensitive enough scale (predicted thrust according to quantised inertia is F=PQ/c=1x10/3e8=3e-9N. Predicted mass change = 0.003 mg, while his scale sensitivity is 0.1 mg). Thermal thrust is obvious though. Click these links to see the videos and pictures of the experiment:
https://twitter.com/ZKomala/status/1195311156753313792
https://twitter.com/ZKomala/status/1195633731320582144
https://twitter.com/ZKomala/status/1194238296483909632
https://twitter.com/ZKomala/status/1197027193337139202
https://twitter.com/memcculloch/status/1195358974977155072
A new build:
https://twitter.com/ZKomala/status/1201817629490647043
And it seems that an experiment performed by Tajmar confirms McCulloch's quantised inertia theory:
https://twitter.com/memcculloch/status/1201613954080026625
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#157 by RotoSequence on 03 Dec, 2019 12:26
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A new build:
https://twitter.com/ZKomala/status/1201817629490647043
And it seems that an experiment performed by Tajmar confirms McCulloch's quantised inertia theory:
https://twitter.com/memcculloch/status/1201613954080026625
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#158 by meberbs on 03 Dec, 2019 15:45
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And it seems that an experiment performed by Tajmar confirms McCulloch's quantised inertia theory:
It would be a very unusual experiment design if more than one of the cavities was expected to produce a null result. This implies that at least 2 cavities did not produce the expected result, which would make this a falsification, not a confirmation. McCulloch being happy means nothing, since he has demonstrated that he does not understand this concept.
https://twitter.com/memcculloch/status/1201613954080026625
Also McCulloch has recently called off by an order of magnitude consistent.
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=49270.msg2005978#msg2005978
Also his theory has already been falsified as he predicts the Pioneer anomaly to exist as a gravitational effect, but there is no Pioneer anomaly after correctly accounting for asymmetric thermal radiation. -
#159 by Alex_O on 04 Dec, 2019 17:45
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Hi TT. I like this idea, I want to offer to look at it again. I thought that if we make the Emdrive resonator from copper with a very thin wall thickness. It may be one atomic atomic layer thick. Turn on the RF power and place it in the vacuum chamber. Then, we look at it all through the eyes of the physicist of quantum mechanics.
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Why I chose this fragment from the book. I thought that if the thickness of the copper wall is one atom, then all these virtual vacuum gadgets are vacuum particles (note - I didn’t coined the term vacuum particle) - all these gadgets, well, they’ll be there, and the resonator’s EM photons will definitely be interact with these virtual vacuum particles with a high probability (more than 5 sigma). (For example, through the eddy current electrons, do you understand this idea?)
So, the momentum of the EM photon (which is reflected from the copper walls) - well, he will also create his own physics in the virtual world. But outside the resonator. In the sense of the universe (if endowed with reason) - it will know and feel exactly how EM photons fly and reflect in the EM resonator, and create their own reaction (disturbance).
Hello ALL! Let me ask you a question - what did I write here above?
I accidentally looked today at the Salvatore Cezar Pais patent "Craft using an inertial mass reduction device"QuoteSUMMARY
It seems (maybe) I saw the discussion on the forum earlier and readed comments, for example
The present invention is directed to a craft using an inertial mass reduction device. The craft includes an inner resonant cavity wall, an outer resonant cavity, and microwave emitters. The outer resonant cavity wall and the inner resonant cavity wall form a resonant cavity. The microwave emitters create high frequency electromagnetic waves throughout the resonant cavity causing the outer resonant cavity wall to vibrate in an accelerated mode and create a local polarized vacuum outside the outer resonant cavity wall.
It is a feature of the present invention to provide a craft, using an inertial mass reduction device, that can travel at extreme speeds.
It seemed to me that when I mentally made a microwave resonator out of thin copper (maybe 1 atom thick), I mentally saw how the EM field polarizes the vacuum inside and outside the resonator. And today I found similar thoughts in the patent. But I just tried to look at the microwave cavity through the eyes of a physicist in quantum mechanics.
And I have to ask, what do people know about vacuum polarization? What to think about two options?
a) suck a vacuum like a VRD submarine or push like a submarine of Dr. White?
b) To cause the pressure force from the polarized vacuum, which is somehow similar to the Casimir force, but there are no two (or a whole pack!) plates?
Somewhere I read that stones grow from the earth, that the earth (soil) pushes stones from itself. A polarized vacuum may try to push a cone-shaped “stone” out of ... a vacuum?
3) This is a long conversation, but if you look at textbooks on the formula for the radiation power of gravitational waves of a rotating dumbbell (or a pair of stars), then the radiation power there depends on mass in the 4th degree and the frequency in the 6th degree and on the speed of light in -5. If we take for rotation the mass equivalent of 1000 J (10-14 kg) and rotate with a frequency of 1012 Hz, then the radiation power of the gravity waves is of the order of 1010 W. I had a suspicion that in the patent this thing from the textbook is hidden (behind a wall of many letters). Given the previously studied works, it seems to me that the author of the patent came up with how not to rotate, but to quickly switch things from a set of electrodes in a system, about 1000 J in size
