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#20
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 10 Sep, 2021 20:30
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#21
by
Vahe231991
on 11 Sep, 2021 00:56
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Wow, construction of the Orion capsule for the Artemis III is starting to proceed faster than expected.
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#22
by
lykos
on 21 Sep, 2021 09:06
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Orion is (for now) not the problem!
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#23
by
eeergo
on 18 Oct, 2021 12:58
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Somehow
folks here have missed that the third Artemis CM, the one that purportedly will be carrying the first Moon landing crew in 50 years (not that I believe that), but at any rate will carry crew with certainty, has been delivered to KSC and announced on Friday:
https://twitter.com/NASA_Orion/status/1449024252867399681This makes THREE (3) BEO spacecraft sharing the grounds simultaneously at their launch site. When CxP and then Artemis were drafted out, this milestone seemed science fiction. Now it's not even noted here.
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#24
by
Vahe231991
on 10 Feb, 2022 02:50
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#25
by
Hog
on 10 Feb, 2022 20:44
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Somehow folks here have missed that the third Artemis CM, the one that purportedly will be carrying the first Moon landing crew in 50 years (not that I believe that), but at any rate will carry crew with certainty, has been delivered to KSC and announced on Friday:
This makes THREE (3) BEO spacecraft sharing the grounds simultaneously at their launch site. When CxP and then Artemis were drafted out, this milestone seemed science fiction. Now it's not even noted here.
Orion MPCV S/N-004 for Artemis-3, S/N-003 for Artemis-2 and S/N-002 for Artemis-1. There's big investment sitting at MAF.
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It's not Space X enough.
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#26
by
shintoo
on 15 Feb, 2022 23:31
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An important update on construction of the Orion service module for the Artemis III mission:
https://blogs.esa.int/orion/2022/01/26/2021-2022-overview-of-artemis-and-the-european-service-modules/
Great to see updates like this, even if missing detail. I remember a lack of updates on ESM2 progress for some time not long ago. Now, we at least have an idea on the statuses of ESM3
and ESM4.
Orion MPCV S/N-004 for Artemis-3, S/N-003 for Artemis-2 and S/N-002 for Artemis-1. There's big investment sitting at MAF.
xxxxxx
It's not Space X enough.
It will be interesting throughout the missions to see which pieces are the source of major delays, i.e. between CS, CM, ESM, EUS, etc. Other than the turnaround of Orion 1 flight components for Orion 2 affecting schedule, it seems that they are in good shape.
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#27
by
Starshipdown
on 18 Feb, 2022 19:30
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This is the third Crew Module (CM) built, which brings up the question of reuse. Is the intention still to reuse CMs or do they plan on building a few more before committing to that?
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#28
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shintoo
on 19 Feb, 2022 01:07
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This is the third Crew Module (CM) built, which brings up the question of reuse. Is the intention still to reuse CMs or do they plan on building a few more before committing to that?
While that may have been the idea in days past, we likely won't see reused CMs before Artemis IX, if ever.Sep 10, 2021 article:
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/next-generation-of-orion-spacecraft-in-production-for-future-artemis-missionsThe agency ordered three Orion spacecraft in 2019 for Artemis missions III through V, and plans to order three additional Orion capsules in fiscal year 2022 for Artemis missions VI through VIII.
These Orion orders happen through the Orion Production and Operations Contract, which allows for up to 12 orders through 2030. After that, I suspect either a new production contract will be made, or if we're lucky, reuse.
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-commits-to-long-term-artemis-missions-with-orion-production-contractEDIT: Just because there is a production contract supplying Artemis missions, doesn't mean that those Orions will necessarily be brand new.
Correcting this post as it seems evident now that the plan is to reuse Orions starting with Artemis VI:
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2022/06/orion-status-update/After returning the Artemis 3 crew to Earth, the current plan is to take the capsule, refurbish it, and fly it again on Artemis 6.
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#29
by
hektor
on 24 Feb, 2022 07:54
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#30
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 19 Oct, 2022 00:10
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https://twitter.com/nasagroundsys/status/1582524153881509888Today, Oct. 18th, 2022, at approx. 5:30 p.m. EDT, @NASA's Super Guppy aircraft landed at @NASAKennedy carrying the Artemis III @NASA_Orion spacecraft heat shield that will protect astronauts on the historic mission returning humanity to the surface of the Moon. #Artemis
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#31
by
Vahe231991
on 22 Nov, 2022 03:49
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Since SpaceX's Starship Human Landing System will be used during all Artemis missions beginning with Artemis 3 to take crewmembers from the Orion module to the HLS, there could be photos waiting to be released that show engineers fabricating components for the compartment of the Artemis 3 Orion module allowing for astronauts to disembark the Orion spacecraft and enter the HLS lunar lander.
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#32
by
DanClemmensen
on 22 Nov, 2022 04:19
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Since SpaceX's Starship Human Landing System will be used during all Artemis missions beginning with Artemis 3 to take crewmembers from the Orion module to the HLS, there could be photos waiting to be released that show engineers fabricating components for the compartment of the Artemis 3 Orion module allowing for astronauts to disembark the Orion spacecraft and enter the HLS lunar lander.
Do you mean the NDS docking port? I don't think it's a separate compartment. It's not a separate compartment on Crew Dragon or Starliner.
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#33
by
russianhalo117
on 22 Nov, 2022 04:34
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Since SpaceX's Starship Human Landing System will be used during all Artemis missions beginning with Artemis 3 to take crewmembers from the Orion module to the HLS, there could be photos waiting to be released that show engineers fabricating components for the compartment of the Artemis 3 Orion module allowing for astronauts to disembark the Orion spacecraft and enter the HLS lunar lander.
Do you mean the NDS docking port? I don't think it's a separate compartment. It's not a separate compartment on Crew Dragon or Starliner.
Gateway DAC for HLS calls for an Orion docking tunnel extension either built as a pyrotechnically jettisoned extension ring or an ASTP docking module like extension module extracted after stage separation. The tunnel extension is only required for clearance reasons at cetain ports. Presently however it is not planned before the first use of Gateway. HLS might require docking system MMOD sheild cover on the lander like the MMOD shielding cover requirement for all vacant Gateway docking ports.
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#34
by
DanClemmensen
on 22 Nov, 2022 05:24
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Since SpaceX's Starship Human Landing System will be used during all Artemis missions beginning with Artemis 3 to take crewmembers from the Orion module to the HLS, there could be photos waiting to be released that show engineers fabricating components for the compartment of the Artemis 3 Orion module allowing for astronauts to disembark the Orion spacecraft and enter the HLS lunar lander.
Do you mean the NDS docking port? I don't think it's a separate compartment. It's not a separate compartment on Crew Dragon or Starliner.
Gateway DAC for HLS calls for an Orion docking tunnel extension either built as a pyrotechnically jettisoned extension ring or an ASTP docking module like extension module extracted after stage separation. The tunnel extension is only required for clearance reasons at cetain ports. Presently however it is not planned before the first use of Gateway. HLS might require docking system MMOD sheild cover on the lander like the MMOD shielding cover requirement for all vacant Gateway docking ports.
DAC==Deployable Aperture Cover?
ASTP == module used for Apollo-Soyuz?
MMOD == meteoroid and orbital debris?
But both Orion and HLS are supposed to have IDSS-compatable ports. If they cannot dock to each other without an adaptor, then the IDSS spec has failed in one of its most fundamental goals. If the Orion implementation is active-only, then at most the HLS port would need to implement both active and passive modes.
Will all ports used on all spacecraft need MMOD shields? I know Dragon 2 and Starliner have covers, but I thought those were added primarily for protection during EDL. Do the ISS ports have MMOD shields?
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#35
by
russianhalo117
on 22 Nov, 2022 06:17
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Since SpaceX's Starship Human Landing System will be used during all Artemis missions beginning with Artemis 3 to take crewmembers from the Orion module to the HLS, there could be photos waiting to be released that show engineers fabricating components for the compartment of the Artemis 3 Orion module allowing for astronauts to disembark the Orion spacecraft and enter the HLS lunar lander.
Do you mean the NDS docking port? I don't think it's a separate compartment. It's not a separate compartment on Crew Dragon or Starliner.
Gateway DAC for HLS calls for an Orion docking tunnel extension either built as a pyrotechnically jettisoned extension ring or an ASTP docking module like extension module extracted after stage separation. The tunnel extension is only required for clearance reasons at cetain ports. Presently however it is not planned before the first use of Gateway. HLS might require docking system MMOD sheild cover on the lander like the MMOD shielding cover requirement for all vacant Gateway docking ports.
DAC==Deployable Aperture Cover?
ASTP == module used for Apollo-Soyuz?
MMOD == meteoroid and orbital debris?
But both Orion and HLS are supposed to have IDSS-compatable ports. If they cannot dock to each other without an adaptor, then the IDSS spec has failed in one of its most fundamental goals. If the Orion implementation is active-only, then at most the HLS port would need to implement both active and passive modes.
Will all ports used on all spacecraft need MMOD shields? I know Dragon 2 and Starliner have covers, but I thought those were added primarily for protection during EDL. Do the ISS ports have MMOD shields?
Design analysis cycles
ASTP Docking Module (just a reference for similar method of its ride to orbit and a spacer like Mir's Stykovochnyy Otsek (SO) docking module (Rassvet being the converted copy)).
Micro Meteroid Orbital Debris.
The Orion tunnel extension/docking module like Mir's SO Module is only to structural clearance to mounted external hardware that might interfere with Orion docking to certain ports. Gateway is designed to have both active-passive, passive-passive (radial) and active-active (axial) IDSS ports of their respective space agencies. The axial ports on each module must function in two modes active and passive. Radial ports on modules are to be passive and the VV's and delivered modules are to be active but can be relocated for passive to passive CBM-like berthing using the Canadarm-3.These are the current IDSS docking systems of ISS MCB members: JAXA is using MHI built JAXA Docking System (JDS). ESA is using QineticQ built International Berthing and Docking Mechanisms (IBDM). NASA is using the upcoming version of NASA Docking System (NDS). Roscosmos would if ever involved use their newest version of APAS (drogue configuration debuted on Prichal and Nauka and the hybrid 4 petal soft capture system with drogue for Nauka SrK module). All Nauka and Prichal ports use the IDSS compliant and legacy APAS pass through umbilical connectors and Hard Capture System. VV's can use IDSS certified private docking systems or the system of their respective space agency. The ACBM ports on ISS have MMOD petals protecting the mating surface when a VV is not present.
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#36
by
Timber Micka
on 22 Nov, 2022 12:31
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#37
by
DanClemmensen
on 22 Nov, 2022 16:32
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#38
by
DanClemmensen
on 22 Nov, 2022 16:58
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Since SpaceX's Starship Human Landing System will be used during all Artemis missions beginning with Artemis 3 to take crewmembers from the Orion module to the HLS, there could be photos waiting to be released that show engineers fabricating components for the compartment of the Artemis 3 Orion module allowing for astronauts to disembark the Orion spacecraft and enter the HLS lunar lander.
Do you mean the NDS docking port? I don't think it's a separate compartment. It's not a separate compartment on Crew Dragon or Starliner.
Gateway DAC for HLS calls for an Orion docking tunnel extension either built as a pyrotechnically jettisoned extension ring or an ASTP docking module like extension module extracted after stage separation. The tunnel extension is only required for clearance reasons at cetain ports. Presently however it is not planned before the first use of Gateway. HLS might require docking system MMOD sheild cover on the lander like the MMOD shielding cover requirement for all vacant Gateway docking ports.
DAC==Deployable Aperture Cover?
ASTP == module used for Apollo-Soyuz?
MMOD == meteoroid and orbital debris?
But both Orion and HLS are supposed to have IDSS-compatable ports. If they cannot dock to each other without an adaptor, then the IDSS spec has failed in one of its most fundamental goals. If the Orion implementation is active-only, then at most the HLS port would need to implement both active and passive modes.
Will all ports used on all spacecraft need MMOD shields? I know Dragon 2 and Starliner have covers, but I thought those were added primarily for protection during EDL. Do the ISS ports have MMOD shields?
Design analysis cycles
ASTP Docking Module (just a reference for similar method of its ride to orbit and a spacer like Mir's Stykovochnyy Otsek (SO) docking module (Rassvet being the converted copy)).
Micro Meteroid Orbital Debris.
The Orion tunnel extension/docking module like Mir's SO Module is only to structural clearance to mounted external hardware that might interfere with Orion docking to certain ports. Gateway is designed to have both active-passive, passive-passive (radial) and active-active (axial) IDSS ports of their respective space agencies. The axial ports on each module must function in two modes active and passive. Radial ports on modules are to be passive and the VV's and delivered modules are to be active but can be relocated for passive to passive CBM-like berthing using the Canadarm-3.These are the current IDSS docking systems of ISS MCB members: JAXA is using MHI built JAXA Docking System (JDS). ESA is using QineticQ built International Berthing and Docking Mechanisms (IBDM). NASA is using the upcoming version of NASA Docking System (NDS). Roscosmos would if ever involved use their newest version of APAS (drogue configuration debuted on Prichal and Nauka and the hybrid 4 petal soft capture system with drogue for Nauka SrK module). All Nauka and Prichal ports use the IDSS compliant and legacy APAS pass through umbilical connectors and Hard Capture System. VV's can use IDSS certified private docking systems or the system of their respective space agency. The ACBM ports on ISS have MMOD petals protecting the mating surface when a VV is not present.
I assume Starship HLS will use an IDSS that it derives from the Crew Dragon. I think Crew Dragon is active-only. If Orion is active-only, then SpaceX will need to add passive mode capability. Do you know what the HLS Option A (and Option B) contracts stipulate for the dock?
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#39
by
russianhalo117
on 22 Nov, 2022 18:07
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Since SpaceX's Starship Human Landing System will be used during all Artemis missions beginning with Artemis 3 to take crewmembers from the Orion module to the HLS, there could be photos waiting to be released that show engineers fabricating components for the compartment of the Artemis 3 Orion module allowing for astronauts to disembark the Orion spacecraft and enter the HLS lunar lander.
Do you mean the NDS docking port? I don't think it's a separate compartment. It's not a separate compartment on Crew Dragon or Starliner.
Gateway DAC for HLS calls for an Orion docking tunnel extension either built as a pyrotechnically jettisoned extension ring or an ASTP docking module like extension module extracted after stage separation. The tunnel extension is only required for clearance reasons at cetain ports. Presently however it is not planned before the first use of Gateway. HLS might require docking system MMOD sheild cover on the lander like the MMOD shielding cover requirement for all vacant Gateway docking ports.
DAC==Deployable Aperture Cover?
ASTP == module used for Apollo-Soyuz?
MMOD == meteoroid and orbital debris?
But both Orion and HLS are supposed to have IDSS-compatable ports. If they cannot dock to each other without an adaptor, then the IDSS spec has failed in one of its most fundamental goals. If the Orion implementation is active-only, then at most the HLS port would need to implement both active and passive modes.
Will all ports used on all spacecraft need MMOD shields? I know Dragon 2 and Starliner have covers, but I thought those were added primarily for protection during EDL. Do the ISS ports have MMOD shields?
Design analysis cycles
ASTP Docking Module (just a reference for similar method of its ride to orbit and a spacer like Mir's Stykovochnyy Otsek (SO) docking module (Rassvet being the converted copy)).
Micro Meteroid Orbital Debris.
The Orion tunnel extension/docking module like Mir's SO Module is only to structural clearance to mounted external hardware that might interfere with Orion docking to certain ports. Gateway is designed to have both active-passive, passive-passive (radial) and active-active (axial) IDSS ports of their respective space agencies. The axial ports on each module must function in two modes active and passive. Radial ports on modules are to be passive and the VV's and delivered modules are to be active but can be relocated for passive to passive CBM-like berthing using the Canadarm-3.These are the current IDSS docking systems of ISS MCB members: JAXA is using MHI built JAXA Docking System (JDS). ESA is using QineticQ built International Berthing and Docking Mechanisms (IBDM). NASA is using the upcoming version of NASA Docking System (NDS). Roscosmos would if ever involved use their newest version of APAS (drogue configuration debuted on Prichal and Nauka and the hybrid 4 petal soft capture system with drogue for Nauka SrK module). All Nauka and Prichal ports use the IDSS compliant and legacy APAS pass through umbilical connectors and Hard Capture System. VV's can use IDSS certified private docking systems or the system of their respective space agency. The ACBM ports on ISS have MMOD petals protecting the mating surface when a VV is not present.
I assume Starship HLS will use an IDSS that it derives from the Crew Dragon. I think Crew Dragon is active-only. If Orion is active-only, then SpaceX will need to add passive mode capability. Do you know what the HLS Option A (and Option B) contracts stipulate for the dock?
It will use a heavier duty version with similar specifications to the upgraded APAS-89 version known as APAS-95 used by Shuttle on the ISS PMA's and the Mir SO Docking Module. The heavy duty specs and reasoning is explained in the IDSS documentation. All Gateway modules ports will use a heavy duty IDSS design.
folks here have missed that the third Artemis CM, the one that purportedly will be carrying the first Moon landing crew in 50 years (not that I believe that), but at any rate will carry crew with certainty, has been delivered to KSC and announced on Friday: