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CRS-19 Discussion thread

NSF Threads for CRS-19 : Discussion / Updates
NSF Articles for CRS :
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/?s=CRS%2BSpaceX

NSF Articles for CRS missions :  https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/?s=CRS

Successful launch December 5, 2019 at 12:29pm EST (17:29 UTC) on Falcon 9 (new booster 1059) from SLC-40 at Cape Canaveral.  ASDS landing was successful.  This Dragon was previously used for CRS-4 and CRS-11.



External cargo: HISUI



Other SpaceX resources on NASASpaceflight:
   SpaceX News Articles (Recent)  /   SpaceX News Articles from 2006 (Including numerous exclusive Elon interviews)
   SpaceX Dragon Articles  /  SpaceX Missions Section (with Launch Manifest and info on past and future missions)
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #1 on: 07/25/2019 07:27 am »
The NSF article says this will be the third flight of the first stage from SpX-17 and SpX-18, so B1056.3.

"Moreover, as confirmed by NASA back in May, with the successful landing of this booster, NASA will proceed forward with using it for a third time on the CRS-19 mission coming up later this year – marking the first time NASA and the U.S. government reuses a Falcon 9 first stage for the third time."

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2019/07/falcon-9-launch-dragon-third-crs-18/
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #2 on: 07/25/2019 09:05 am »
EMU No. 3003 will go down and which EMU will go up?

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #3 on: 07/25/2019 10:05 am »
EMU No. 3003 will go down and which EMU will go up?
The change of the EMU´s is planned on SpX-18
https://oiir.hq.nasa.gov/asap/documents/NASA_ASAP_3rd_qtr_public_meeting_June_6_2019_FINAL_RevB_Signed_tagged.pdf
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One EMU (#3003) did have a minor issue with a suit pressure sensor during EVA #52 and is being held in “ready spare” status until it is replaced by SN# 3009 which is manifested on the Space-X 18 cargo flight slated for July. Additionally, a spare Fan Pump Separator Unit will be delivered on SX-18.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #4 on: 07/25/2019 11:32 am »
The NSF article says this will be the third flight of the first stage from SpX-17 and SpX-18, so B1056.3.

Is there any particular reason why SpaceX seems to be flying all CRS flights from now on B1056.4? What is the benefit, if any, to having one dedicated first stage to loft Dragon to orbit?
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The NSF article says this will be the third flight of the first stage from SpX-17 and SpX-18, so B1056.3.

Is there any particular reason why SpaceX seems to be flying all CRS flights from now on B1056.4? What is the benefit, if any, to having one dedicated first stage to loft Dragon to orbit?

1. Less travel. By having a core 'dedicated' to LC-40, you eliminate most of the travel time for the booster.
2. Because they can. SpaceX in general wants to push the bounderies of booster reuse, and NASA seems to be a willing participate in their investigation.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #6 on: 07/25/2019 01:18 pm »
NASA has been involved in SX's process of validating that particular booster for re-flight, and therefor has some "ownership" of the booster's history.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #7 on: 07/25/2019 02:54 pm »
NASA has been involved in SX's process of validating that particular booster for re-flight, and therefor has some "ownership" of the booster's history.

NASA has in the past also wanted the boosters that had flown the least demanding missions, and those happen to be mostly CRS ones
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #8 on: 08/28/2019 03:35 am »
Cross-post:
https://www.nasa.gov/content/upcoming-elana-cubesat-launches
SpX-19 now TBD, was on December, 4. So I suppose, it will be moved.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #9 on: 08/28/2019 10:39 am »
NASA has been involved in SX's process of validating that particular booster for re-flight, and therefor has some "ownership" of the booster's history.

NASA has in the past also wanted the boosters that had flown the least demanding missions, and those happen to be mostly CRS ones

Thats not how I remember it. I thought NASA wants some extensive paper trail for each booster they put a payload on. This paper trail exists for CRS missions. Now, for a new mission, any previously flown booster would technically be fine (if it is undamaged of course). But since the paper trail already exists for previous CRS missions, these boosters are used for future NASA missions. So its not the profile that defines which booster is used for NASA missions, its the paper trail.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #10 on: 08/28/2019 01:14 pm »
So its not the profile that defines which booster is used for NASA missions, its the paper trail.

It was both.  They explicitly said at one point the profile mattered.  Not sure what the current requirements are.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #11 on: 08/28/2019 08:12 pm »
I thought NASA (or SpaceX) said that B1056 would make its third spaceflight during SpX-19.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #12 on: 08/28/2019 08:16 pm »
I thought NASA (or SpaceX) said that B1056 would make its third spaceflight during SpX-19.

They said a while ago that it might.  I don't recall that being confirmed since the last flight.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #13 on: 09/03/2019 05:36 pm »
I thought NASA (or SpaceX) said that B1056 would make its third spaceflight during SpX-19.

They said a while ago that it might.  I don't recall that being confirmed since the last flight.

They confirmed at CRS-18 that this is still the plan pending post-recovery inspections.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #14 on: 09/14/2019 03:29 pm »
http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum18/HTML/001532.html
The NASA insignia for SpaceX's CRS-19 (SpX 19) Dragon cargo flight to the International Space Station:

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #15 on: 09/30/2019 02:18 pm »
Aztechsat-1, el nanosatélite mexicano, será lanzado por la NASA en un cohete de Elon Musk el 4 de diciembre
https://www.xataka.com.mx/investigacion/aztechsat-1-nanosatelite-mexicano-sera-lanzado-nasa-cohete-elon-musk-4-diciembre

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #16 on: 10/02/2019 07:59 pm »
Aztechsat-1, el nanosatélite mexicano, será lanzado por la NASA en un cohete de Elon Musk el 4 de diciembre
https://www.xataka.com.mx/investigacion/aztechsat-1-nanosatelite-mexicano-sera-lanzado-nasa-cohete-elon-musk-4-diciembre

Bing translate: "Aztechsat-1, the Mexican nanosatellite, will be launched by NASA on an Elon Musk rocket on December 4."
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #17 on: 10/04/2019 09:51 am »
Aztechsat-1, el nanosatélite mexicano, será lanzado por la NASA en un cohete de Elon Musk el 4 de diciembre
https://www.xataka.com.mx/investigacion/aztechsat-1-nanosatelite-mexicano-sera-lanzado-nasa-cohete-elon-musk-4-diciembre

Bing translate: "Aztechsat-1, the Mexican nanosatellite, will be launched by NASA on an Elon Musk rocket on December 4."
It looks like the Aztechsat-1 has switched from Cygnus NG-12 to Dragon SpX-19.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #18 on: 10/09/2019 06:36 am »
According to the new ELaNa schedule AzTechSat-1, SORTIE and CryoCube will be as ELaNa 25B on SpX-19, also ELaNa 28 with CIRS and Edge Cube.
https://www.nasa.gov/content/upcoming-elana-cubesat-launches
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #20 on: 10/15/2019 09:47 pm »
https://twitter.com/emrekelly/status/1184217548650401793

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Quick #SpaceX CRS-19 update gleaned from today's all-female spacewalk (on for Thursday or Friday a.m.) briefing: The faulty BCDU that Koch and Meir will replace will fly back on the CRS-19 Dragon in December. Unclear whether launch or splashdown would happen in that month.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #21 on: 10/16/2019 01:11 am »
may is actually what was said...
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #22 on: 10/23/2019 03:34 pm »
October 22, 2019
MEDIA ADVISORY M19-117
NASA Invites Media to Next SpaceX Space Station Cargo Launch

Media accreditation is open for the launch of the next SpaceX delivery of science investigations, supplies, and equipment to the International Space Station.

A SpaceX Dragon cargo spacecraft is scheduled to launch on a Falcon 9 rocket from Space Launch Complex 40 at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station (CCAFS) in Florida no earlier than Wednesday, Dec. 4 at 12:48 p.m. EST.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #23 on: 10/23/2019 04:30 pm »
We're opening our doors to 50 social media users to witness the next @SpaceX cargo launch to the @Space_Station!

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #25 on: 11/15/2019 08:41 pm »
Today is the deadline for media accreditation for the launch of the next @SpaceX delivery of science investigations, supplies and equipment to the @Space_Station!

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #26 on: 11/18/2019 10:26 pm »
November 18, 2019
MEDIA ADVISORY M19-130
NASA Highlights Science on 19th SpaceX Resupply Mission to Space Station

NASA will host a media teleconference at 1 p.m. EST Wednesday, Nov. 20, to discuss select science investigations launching on the next SpaceX commercial resupply flight to the International Space Station.

Audio of the teleconference will stream live online at:

https://www.nasa.gov/live

SpaceX is targeting 12:51 p.m. Wednesday, Dec. 4, for the launch of its Dragon spacecraft on a Falcon 9 rocket from Space Launch Complex 40 at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida.

Participants in the briefing will be:

    Bryan Dansberry, assistant program scientist for NASA’s International Space Station Program Science Office, who will share an overview of the research being conducted aboard the space station and how it benefits exploration and humanity
    Michael Roberts, interim chief scientist for the International Space Station U.S. National Laboratory, who will discuss the lab’s work in advancing science in space, and in developing partnerships that drive industrialization through microgravity research
    Se-Jin Lee, professor at the Jackson Laboratory and University of Connecticut School of Medicine, and principal investigator of Rodent Research-19, who will discuss research on molecular signaling pathways that influence muscle degradation to prevent skeletal muscle and bone loss during spaceflight, and enhance recovery following return to Earth
    Robert Thompson, project scientist for the Cold Atom Lab at NASA’s Jet Propulsion laboratory in Pasadena, California, who will discuss a new science package that will allow scientists to probe fundamental theories of gravity, and can serve as a pathfinder for future instruments
    Paul V. Ferkul, co-investigaor at Universities Space Research Association, Cleveland, Ohio, who will discuss an experiment that examines flame behavior as it spreads in differently-shaped confined spaces in microgravity

    Gary Hanning, director of Global Barley Research for Anheuser-Busch, who will discuss an experiment that aims to look at barley seeds in microgravity
    Mark Neuman of NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, who will discuss a new docking station make it quicker and simpler for astronauts to deploy the Robotic External Leak Locator (RELL)

To participate in the teleconference, media must contact Kathryn Hambleton at 202-358-1100 or [email protected] by 11 a.m. Wednesday, Nov. 20, for dial-in information.

SpaceX’s Dragon spacecraft also will carry crew supplies and hardware to the orbiting laboratory to support the Expedition 61 crew for the 19th mission under NASA’s Commercial Resupply Services contract.

The space station is a convergence of science, technology and human innovation that demonstrates new technologies and enables research not possible on Earth. The orbiting laboratory has been occupied continuously since November 2000. In that time, more than 230 people, and a variety of international and commercial spacecraft, have visited the orbiting laboratory. The space station remains the springboard to NASA's next great leap in exploration, including future missions to the Moon and eventually to Mars.

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https://www.nasa.gov/spacex
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #27 on: 11/19/2019 04:37 pm »
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #28 on: 11/22/2019 09:46 pm »
https://twitter.com/emrekelly/status/1197998113463689216

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #29 on: 11/23/2019 10:27 am »
Does this confirm an expendable launch or does this mean that the recent FCC license for an ASDS landing is meant for CRS-19?

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #30 on: 11/23/2019 10:29 am »
Aren't we expecting an RTLS?
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #31 on: 11/23/2019 03:26 pm »
If they confirm this to be expendable, why would they do that?

Is it because they want the most performance, or do they want to get rid of the booster for some other reason?
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #32 on: 11/23/2019 03:31 pm »
It's a little early to speculate on reasons for an expendable launch considering no one has said the launch is expendable.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #33 on: 11/23/2019 07:42 pm »
Research will soon be headed to space inside a @SpaceX Dragon capsule! That science includes Earth imaging, fire, barely and bone and muscle loss research.

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   59-05S 092-54E, 61-08S 081-09E,
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #35 on: 11/25/2019 10:13 pm »
If they confirm this to be expendable, why would they do that?

Is it because they want the most performance, or do they want to get rid of the booster for some other reason?

It's not going to be expendable. We would have hazard zones of where the first stage would be crashing down. There is no reason to think it's expendable, it is a booster flying for the third time with a history of very low energy missions. And it's not going to land on ASDS. The FCC filling shows a droneship that is on the wrong azmiuth for a CRS mission. It much better suits a GPS mission. And there is no reason to avoid LZ-1. There is nothing on LZ-1, there is no damage to LZ-1 and it is cheaper to land at LZ-1.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #36 on: 11/26/2019 01:19 pm »
SpaceX Will Launch Mighty Mice, Wild Physics and More to Space Station Next Month..

By Amy Thompson 17 hours ago

https://www.space.com/spacex-space-station-science-crs19-cargo.html

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #37 on: 11/26/2019 02:20 pm »
Apart from the visual confirmation, Space.com article also states that the new booster (1059.1) is going to be used for this mission.

https://www.space.com/spacex-space-station-science-crs19-cargo.html
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #38 on: 11/26/2019 02:25 pm »
I am getting the impression that having previously flown a mission is becoming a plus rather than a liability.  In that case I would understand why SpaceX would prefer to fly with a new booster, to get a flight under its belt, than to add another flight to a previously flown booster.
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Apart from the visual confirmation, Space.com article also states that the new booster (1059.1) is going to be used for this mission.

https://www.space.com/spacex-space-station-science-crs19-cargo.html

How can you tell from that picture? There's all kinds of atmospheric distortion.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #40 on: 11/27/2019 07:56 am »
Apart from the visual confirmation, Space.com article also states that the new booster (1059.1) is going to be used for this mission.

https://www.space.com/spacex-space-station-science-crs19-cargo.html

How can you tell from that picture? There's all kinds of atmospheric distortion.

Is it shiney white?

SpaceX doesn't repaintb used boosters, they are all sooty and black-ish.


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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #41 on: 11/27/2019 12:51 pm »
My suspicion of why they are using a new booster might be as simple as the fact that SpaceX plans to have so many Starlink flights next year in addition to their normal payloads, they are increasing their overall stock of boosters, and giving their biggest customer a new one to use.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #42 on: 11/27/2019 08:41 pm »
The @SpaceX #Dragon resupply ship is targeted to launch Dec. 4 and arrive at the station on Dec. 7. @NASA TV is broadcasting all the activities live.

https://twitter.com/Space_Station/status/1199776056221327360

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Apart from the visual confirmation, Space.com article also states that the new booster (1059.1) is going to be used for this mission.

https://www.space.com/spacex-space-station-science-crs19-cargo.html

How can you tell from that picture? There's all kinds of atmospheric distortion.

Is it shiney white?

SpaceX doesn't repaintb used boosters, they are all sooty and black-ish.

In the referred-to picture, from this tweet,

https://twitter.com/stevenyoungsfn/status/1199330137415786496

the booster was still horizontal and backlit by the sky. It looked dark, and could easily have been sooty.

There was a post https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=49550.msg2019416#msg2019416

about this tweet,

https://twitter.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1199343513743155200

That picture was all distorted from the atmosphere.
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It seem's NASA isn't ready for a thrice flow booster (yet)?

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #45 on: 11/28/2019 01:44 pm »
CRS-19 related or is timing coincidental?

https://twitter.com/gregscott_photo/status/1200048373992230912

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Go Discovery showed up this morning & docked beside Go Quest, Searcher & Navigator. The deck is empty and I am not sure of the reason for the reunion. Could it be in conjunction with CRS-19 nxt week? 1st time I have ever gotten all these sisters at once. #SpaceX #ElonMusk #Space

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #46 on: 11/30/2019 06:17 pm »
https://twitter.com/gregscott_photo/status/1200851168685121542

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SPACEX FLEET: OCISLY is getting a clean up today after sitting idle for a couple of weeks now. Eagerly anticipating the recovery of booster B1059.1 from next weeks #CRS19 mission to the ISS. I am still not sure why it was not designated as a LZ1 landing but...  #SpaceX #Space

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #47 on: 11/30/2019 06:54 pm »
Looks like Go Discovery is nothing to do with CRS-19 but may instead be shipping things to South Texas:

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=48893.msg2020768#msg2020768

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #48 on: 12/01/2019 12:06 am »
Could SpaceX be doing a recovery at sea because LZ1 isn’t cleaned up from the Crew Dragon static fire a little while back (it might be cleaned up, I’m just speculating)?  Of course, if that were the case I’d expect the landing right off shore, not further out...

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #49 on: 12/01/2019 12:29 am »
If it were a simple issue of the pad being unavailable then SpaceX would have placed OCISLY a few dozen kilometers off shore like for CRS-17. Clearly, something regarding CRS-19 has lead SpaceX to decide they need the extra prop margin.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #50 on: 12/01/2019 12:40 am »
Wow, I've just checked and the launch date of December 4 first appeared in early February 2019 and hasn't moved since then. That's pretty incredible.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #51 on: 12/01/2019 01:50 am »
Weather is 90% go for the #SpaceX #CRS19 launch to the International Space Station on December 4th. Liftoff is scheduled for 12:51 EST (17:51 UTC).

https://twitter.com/nextspaceflight/status/1200904755368755200

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #52 on: 12/01/2019 02:42 am »
If it were a simple issue of the pad being unavailable then SpaceX would have placed OCISLY a few dozen kilometers off shore like for CRS-17. Clearly, something regarding CRS-19 has lead SpaceX to decide they need the extra prop margin.

There's speculation on reddit that this is a dress rehearsal for DM-2.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #53 on: 12/01/2019 06:38 pm »
Tug Hwak is hooked up and Port Canaveral tug Christine S is ready with the assist. It is go time for OCISLY.  Let's get this mission started!

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #54 on: 12/01/2019 07:52 pm »
If it were a simple issue of the pad being unavailable then SpaceX would have placed OCISLY a few dozen kilometers off shore like for CRS-17. Clearly, something regarding CRS-19 has lead SpaceX to decide they need the extra prop margin.

There's speculation on reddit that this is a dress rehearsal for DM-2.

What kind of dress rehearsal, they already performed the DM-1 launch profile with downrange landing? What would be rehearsed with a cargo Dragon?

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #55 on: 12/02/2019 01:45 am »
If it were a simple issue of the pad being unavailable then SpaceX would have placed OCISLY a few dozen kilometers off shore like for CRS-17. Clearly, something regarding CRS-19 has lead SpaceX to decide they need the extra prop margin.

There's speculation on reddit that this is a dress rehearsal for DM-2.

What kind of dress rehearsal, they already performed the DM-1 launch profile with downrange landing? What would be rehearsed with a cargo Dragon?
Well, for crewed missions they would want all margin possible, which means downrange landings.  So perhaps the DM-1 rehearsal did not correctly test something they want tested, or otherwise did not hit all the objectives.  So they are trying again.  Obviously this is just a guess...

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #56 on: 12/03/2019 12:46 pm »
https://twitter.com/marco_langbroek/status/1201843681852055552

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The Maritime Broadcast Warning above suggests that the CRS-19 upper stage deorbit happens much later, about 5.5 hours or 3.5 revolutions after launch. In addition, the area is shifted southwards compared to the CRS-19 ground track, indicating a deorbit from an orbital inclination clearly higher than the 51.6 degrees orbital inclination of the DRAGON. In fact, it fits an orbital inclination in the order of of 57-58 degrees, i.e. some 5 degrees higher in inclination.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #57 on: 12/03/2019 01:01 pm »
The elapsed time for the CRS-19 second stage reentry is not much shorter than the time to coast from LEO to GEO.
If and when I get the time it seems obvious to compare the delta-V of that ~6 degree plane change (guess:0.6 km/sec) to a GTO injection burn.
If we see a second stage deorbit burn it would indicate that this is a test of direct injection into GEO. Somewhat like the first Heavy launch.
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #58 on: 12/03/2019 01:53 pm »
NASA is holding the prelaunch news conference at 4 PM Eastern today, featuring Jessica Jensen from SpaceX, so hopefully someone asks about the exact reasons of the deorbit profile and ASDS landing.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #59 on: 12/03/2019 01:55 pm »
This test might also explain why the first stage is landing on a drone ship rather than back on land.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #60 on: 12/03/2019 02:32 pm »
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Weather is 90% go for the #SpaceX #CRS19 launch to the International Space Station on December 4th. Liftoff is scheduled for 12:51 EST (17:51 UTC).

https://twitter.com/nextspaceflight/status/1200904755368755200

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #62 on: 12/03/2019 02:51 pm »
The elapsed time for the CRS-19 second stage reentry is not much shorter than the time to coast from LEO to GEO.
If and when I get the time it seems obvious to compare the delta-V of that ~6 degree plane change (guess:0.6 km/sec) to a GTO injection burn.
If we see a second stage deorbit burn it would indicate that this is a test of direct injection into GEO. Somewhat like the first Heavy launch.
What is the longest FH-F9 second stage coast duration to date?

Maybe, are they trying to demonstrate TLI capabilities for the Gateway logistics contract?

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #63 on: 12/03/2019 02:56 pm »
What is the longest FH-F9 second stage coast duration to date?

Wasn't FH Demo about 6 hours?

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #64 on: 12/03/2019 03:54 pm »
I think 3rd Falcon Heavy, STP-2 mission, had SECO-4 at 03:28:03 after launch.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #65 on: 12/03/2019 05:23 pm »
Tune in to SpaceX CRS-19 Prelaunch News Conference

Danielle Sempsrott Posted on December 3, 2019

Tune in to NASA TV and the agency’s website at 1:30 p.m. EST today to watch the NASA Social What’s on Board science briefing, highlighting some of the research that will take place on CRS-19, airing from the agency’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida. Then, stay tuned for the prelaunch news conference, beginning at 4 p.m., and hear from officials with the International Space Station Program Science Office, SpaceX and the U.S. Air Force 45th Space Wing.

Launch of SpaceX’s 19th Commercial Resupply Services (CRS-19) mission to the International Space Station is scheduled for Wednesday, Dec. 4, at 12:51 p.m. EST. The company’s Falcon 9 rocket will lift off from Space Launch Complex 40 at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, carrying the Dragon spacecraft that will deliver supplies, equipment and material to the space station. Dragon is slated to arrive at the station on Dec. 7 and will be captured by Expedition 61 crewmembers. Following capture, ground controllers will take over to install the spacecraft to the Harmony module’s Earth-facing port.

Learn more about some of the research and experiments taking place on CRS-19 at: https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/news/spx19-research

https://blogs.nasa.gov/spacex/2019/12/03/tune-in-to-spacex-crs-19-prelaunch-news-conference/

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #66 on: 12/03/2019 08:36 pm »
Jessica said they are testing long coasting as we guessed, as she cant twlk anout who it is for im guessing its for the US air force and their GEO mission on Falcon heavy next year.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #67 on: 12/04/2019 01:19 am »
What is the longest FH-F9 second stage coast duration to date?

Wasn't FH Demo about 6 hours?

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #68 on: 12/04/2019 06:10 am »
Tim Dodd is doing his own CRS-19 live stream

https://twitter.com/erdayastronaut/status/1202078046473379842

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #69 on: 12/04/2019 12:01 pm »
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #70 on: 12/04/2019 03:26 pm »
What exactly is a "thermal demonstration"? Any educated guesses?

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #71 on: 12/04/2019 03:38 pm »
The elapsed time for the CRS-19 second stage reentry is not much shorter than the time to coast from LEO to GEO.
If and when I get the time it seems obvious to compare the delta-V of that ~6 degree plane change (guess:0.6 km/sec) to a GTO injection burn.
If we see a second stage deorbit burn it would indicate that this is a test of direct injection into GEO. Somewhat like the first Heavy launch.
What is the longest FH-F9 second stage coast duration to date?

Maybe, are they trying to demonstrate TLI capabilities for the Gateway logistics contract?

I'm curious if they are doing any burns after Dragon separation? 

Maybe raise the orbit then 6 hours later lower it for disposal. 

Without Dragon it would be so light it would really go places!
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What exactly is a "thermal demonstration"? Any educated guesses?
If you’re referring to the test to be performed with the upper stage, it’s demonstrating that the stage can maintain thermal control during an extended coast (e.g., not developing localized cold spots and fuel gelling, and not developing hot spots and increased oxidizer boil-off. Extended upper stage coasts are necessary for some mission profiles (specifically, direct GEO insertion missions for government payloads).
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #74 on: 12/04/2019 04:11 pm »
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #75 on: 12/04/2019 04:16 pm »
Has there been a previous SpaceX launch for NASA that scrubbed due to landing conditions rather than launch conditions?

It used to be that landing conditions did not have any impact on launching.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #76 on: 12/04/2019 04:20 pm »
Has there been a previous SpaceX launch for NASA that scrubbed due to landing conditions rather than launch conditions?

It used to be that landing conditions did not have any impact on launching.


SpX-17 was scrubbed because of a technical problem on the drone ship.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #77 on: 12/04/2019 04:27 pm »
What exactly is a "thermal demonstration"? Any educated guesses?
If you’re referring to the test to be performed with the upper stage, it’s demonstrating that the stage can maintain thermal control during an extended coast (e.g., not developing localized cold spots and fuel gelling, and not developing hot spots and increased oxidizer boil-off. Extended upper stage coasts are necessary for some mission profiles (specifically, direct GEO insertion missions for government payloads).
And this is different from what they had already demonstrated? Or just a continuation of the same?

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #78 on: 12/04/2019 04:46 pm »
We've got a substantial number of worldwide orbital goings-on in succession coming up (as of this posting):

Dragon launches tomorrow

Electron launches from New Zealand on 12/6 UTC

Progress MS-13 launches from Baikonur on 12/6 UTC

2 KZ-1A launches from Taiyuan within 6 hours on 12/7 UTC

Dragon capture and berthing on 12/8 UTC

Progress MS-13 docks on 12/9 UTC

Another Glonass-M launches from Plesetsk on 12/10 UTC

RISAT-2BR1 launches from Sriharikota on 12/11 UTC
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #79 on: 12/04/2019 05:21 pm »
Has there been a previous SpaceX launch for NASA that scrubbed due to landing conditions rather than launch conditions?

It used to be that landing conditions did not have any impact on launching.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #80 on: 12/04/2019 06:08 pm »
What exactly is a "thermal demonstration"? Any educated guesses?
If you’re referring to the test to be performed with the upper stage, it’s demonstrating that the stage can maintain thermal control during an extended coast (e.g., not developing localized cold spots and fuel gelling, and not developing hot spots and increased oxidizer boil-off. Extended upper stage coasts are necessary for some mission profiles (specifically, direct GEO insertion missions for government payloads).
And this is different from what they had already demonstrated? Or just a continuation of the same?

Continuation. More data is always better

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #81 on: 12/04/2019 06:14 pm »
Has there been a previous SpaceX launch for NASA that scrubbed due to landing conditions rather than launch conditions?

It used to be that landing conditions did not have any impact on launching.

No, this was also a problem in the Shuttle days.  If the weather at the possible trans-Atlantic abort sites was bad, they would scrub even if the weather was fine at the Cape.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #82 on: 12/04/2019 07:00 pm »
Has there been a previous SpaceX launch for NASA that scrubbed due to landing conditions rather than launch conditions?

It used to be that landing conditions did not have any impact on launching.

No, this was also a problem in the Shuttle days.  If the weather at the possible trans-Atlantic abort sites was bad, they would scrub even if the weather was fine at the Cape.

I understand about the Shuttle.  But for the Falcon 9, my understanding was that for NASA payloads, getting the payload to orbit was the mission.  If SpaceX could land the booster, fine, that was on them, but the F9 launch would not be delayed for something would prevent the landing of the booster.  SpaceX would have to expend it.

To me, having NASA agree to delay due to the Landing of the booster is interesting. 

Cheers,
Roger

 

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #83 on: 12/04/2019 07:06 pm »
There is still the upper level winds. We don't know what they would have done with good launch weather and bad landing weather do we?

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #84 on: 12/04/2019 07:14 pm »
Has there been a previous SpaceX launch for NASA that scrubbed due to landing conditions rather than launch conditions?

It used to be that landing conditions did not have any impact on launching.
A flawed premise re: scrub: there were excessively high winds aloft at the launch site.

(Side question: was it high altitude wind speeds or wind shear?  Or both?)

The high winds and seas for first stage landing was (probably, no inside knowledge here) like the thief stabbing the already-dead Dagoth in Conan the Destroyer.



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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #85 on: 12/04/2019 07:22 pm »
I understand about the Shuttle.  But for the Falcon 9, my understanding was that for NASA payloads, getting the payload to orbit was the mission.  If SpaceX could land the booster, fine, that was on them, but the F9 launch would not be delayed for something would prevent the landing of the booster.  SpaceX would have to expend it.
Your understanding was wrong.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #86 on: 12/04/2019 08:39 pm »
What exactly is a "thermal demonstration"? Any educated guesses?
If you’re referring to the test to be performed with the upper stage, it’s demonstrating that the stage can maintain thermal control during an extended coast (e.g., not developing localized cold spots and fuel gelling, and not developing hot spots and increased oxidizer boil-off. Extended upper stage coasts are necessary for some mission profiles (specifically, direct GEO insertion missions for government payloads).
And this is different from what they had already demonstrated? Or just a continuation of the same?
Continuation. More data is always better
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There is still the upper level winds. We don't know what they would have done with good launch weather and bad landing weather do we?

Posted on page 4 of the thread. Mid level shear and high winds aloft . Click java to Run 3-day movie at bottom

http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/windmain.php?&basin=atlantic&sat=wg8&prod=midshr&zoom=&time=

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #88 on: 12/05/2019 12:42 am »
Has there been a previous SpaceX launch for NASA that scrubbed due to landing conditions rather than launch conditions?

It used to be that landing conditions did not have any impact on launching.

No, this was also a problem in the Shuttle days.  If the weather at the possible trans-Atlantic abort sites was bad, they would scrub even if the weather was fine at the Cape.

I understand about the Shuttle.  But for the Falcon 9, my understanding was that for NASA payloads, getting the payload to orbit was the mission.  If SpaceX could land the booster, fine, that was on them, but the F9 launch would not be delayed for something would prevent the landing of the booster.  SpaceX would have to expend it.

To me, having NASA agree to delay due to the Landing of the booster is interesting. 

Cheers,
Roger

This is not completely new as a delay due to landing not being assured has already happened and the explanation back then from NASA was that they in fact prefer to delay this missions because these boosters can then be important for reuse on next CRS missions. Basically if it's lost, you can't reuse it on the next mission.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #89 on: 12/05/2019 01:35 am »
(Side question: was it high altitude wind speeds or wind shear?  Or both?)

AIUI after looking into launch criteria once:

The launch rule is "High Altitude Winds".  The word "speed" is not mentioned.  The Rule relates to "Shear Only" (although that obviously has speed as a component of the elsewhere mentioned algorithm).  Makes sort of "layman's sense" as winds only would certainly be far less than the high-altitude speed of the stage.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #90 on: 12/05/2019 12:39 pm »
ChrisG's wind speed tweet yesterday showed an approx. wind speed of 90 mph @ 12,000 M (or roughly 39,000 ft.). At that altitude the air is much thinner than at sea level, so what would be the effective wind speed at that altitude?
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ChrisG's wind speed tweet yesterday showed an approx. wind speed of 90 mph @ 12,000 M (or roughly 39,000 ft.). At that altitude the air is much thinner than at sea level, so what would be the effective wind speed at that altitude?

Hit up good old Professor Google for the U.S. Standard Atmosphere models of atmospheric density versus altitude, then plug in the formula for q, dynamic pressure.

q=1/2*rho*v^2

My very rough estimate based on 32 years ago/rusty memory of fluid mechanics (and not even writing stuff down) puts dynamic pressure for those conditions at about 15 pounds/square foot. Doesn’t sound like much but in this case it’s a lateral load that the vehicle has to potentially steer against, spread out over the entire windward surface area of the rocket.

That’s in addition to the axial loads already carried by the structure of the rocket due to acceleration and dynamic pressure of moving lengthwise through the air.
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This appears to be behind a paywall.  Or am I missing something?  ???

Works fine for me. It’s a link to a public tweet. The site link in the tweet takes you to the full-resolution image on the photographer’s site.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #93 on: 12/05/2019 02:00 pm »
SpaceX Gears Up for Second CRS-19 Launch Attempt

Danielle Sempsrott Posted on December 5, 2019

SpaceX is preparing for the second launch attempt of its 19th Commercial Resupply Services (CRS-19) mission to the International Space Station today at 12:29 p.m. EST. The company’s Falcon 9 rocket and uncrewed Dragon spacecraft will lift off from Space Launch Complex 40 at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida. Join us here on the blog, as well as on NASA TV and the agency’s website, for live launch countdown coverage, beginning at 12 p.m. EST.

SpaceX made the decision to call off the first launch attempt yesterday due to upper-altitude winds and high winds at sea, creating dangerous conditions around the drone ship “Of Course I Still Love You,” which the rocket’s first stage will attempt landing on following its separation from the rest of the launch vehicle.

The Dragon spacecraft that will deliver critical supplies, equipment and material to the space station on this mission first flew to the orbiting laboratory in 2014 on CRS-4, and then again on CRS-11, making it the first spacecraft that SpaceX reused for resupply missions. Now preparing to fly for a third time, the material it will carry on CRS-19 will directly support dozens of research investigations taking place in space. To learn more about some of those research experiments

https://blogs.nasa.gov/spacex/2019/12/05/spacex-gears-up-for-second-crs-19-launch-attempt/

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #94 on: 12/05/2019 02:01 pm »
https://twitter.com/trevormahlmann/status/1202244124734308355

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Get your download fingers ready! Here’s my 289.5 megapixel panorama of a (rare) brand new #Falcon9 B1059.1 and Dragon resupply capsule headed to the @Space_Station today at 12:51pm ET! 🚀


This appears to be behind a paywall.  Or am I missing something?  ???

Works fine for me. It’s a link to a public tweet. The site link in the tweet takes you to the full-resolution image on the photographer’s site.

In my case, the link to the photographer's site asked be to become a Patron or to log in. I did not go any further, but I do understand if someone wants to limit repeated large downloads from their site, so the pause seemed reasonable.
I hope that helps.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #95 on: 12/05/2019 02:10 pm »
In my case, the link to the photographer's site asked be to become a Patron or to log in. I did not go any further, but I do understand if someone wants to limit repeated large downloads from their site, so the pause seemed reasonable.
I hope that helps.

Yep, that's what I ran into as well.  Was just wondering if I were missing a link to an open DL.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #96 on: 12/05/2019 03:26 pm »
Throwing something into Trevor's tip jar definitely wasn't the worst thing I've ever done with $2, just saying.

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My word. That looks like a dead center landing
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #99 on: 12/05/2019 04:46 pm »
Just before the video cut off, it appears that the camera on the second caught the Dragon on its separate course.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #100 on: 12/05/2019 04:48 pm »
Just before the video cut off, it appears that the camera on the second caught the Dragon on its separate course.

Looks to me the second stage had rotated 180 degrees.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #101 on: 12/05/2019 04:51 pm »
Enjoyed the NSF live-feed, thanks to all on the team! 8)
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #102 on: 12/05/2019 04:54 pm »
Was I hearing things right when the guy commentating on the launch mentioned the launch abort would not happen until Feb 2020?
   
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #103 on: 12/05/2019 04:55 pm »
Congratulations to SpaceX and NASA for the successful launch!

Thankyou NSF for Chris's livestream!
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Akin's Laws of Spacecraft Design #1:  Engineering is done with numbers.  Analysis without numbers is only an opinion.

Was I hearing things when the guy commentating on the launch mentioned the launch abort would not happen until Feb 2020?
 

You didn't, but then in the IFA thread, there is a post indicting he mis-spoke,

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #105 on: 12/05/2019 05:23 pm »
Just after the "boost-back" burn at T+3:49, a large curved item comes off the first stage and slowly falls away, rotating as it goes.
It looks particularly large.
It doesn't look like the "snowflakes" we have seen from the second stage.
It's obviously not important for the entry burn or landing.  (Another bulls-eye!)
Any idea what it could be?
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #106 on: 12/05/2019 05:34 pm »
There was a ring similar to that on a past mission that was attributed to frost/ice buildup around a port on the first stage. 
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #107 on: 12/05/2019 05:43 pm »
There was a ring similar to that on a past mission that was attributed to frost/ice buildup around a port on the first stage.
Given the size+shape,  timing and location it originated from, I'd guess ice on the joint around the gridfin hinge.

Also not particularly large or heavy, as when the top coldgas thruster engages, it blows the object away in under 1 frame of video. This shows both its location (right by the gridfin), and relatively low mass.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #108 on: 12/05/2019 06:12 pm »
Just before the video cut off, it appears that the camera on the second caught the Dragon on its separate course.

I don't recall seeing this view before of a Dragon with arrays deployed - seen from stage 2.


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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #109 on: 12/05/2019 06:20 pm »
Just before the video cut off, it appears that the camera on the second caught the Dragon on its separate course.

I don't recall seeing this view before of a Dragon with arrays deployed - seen from stage 2.
Second stage was probably in a PTC spin to keep temps in range for the long coast test.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #110 on: 12/05/2019 06:53 pm »
I know it is silly, but I really wish they would spray paint "Kilroy was here" on the back of that solar panel before a launch.  That would be a site to behold when the panel opened up.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #111 on: 12/05/2019 06:59 pm »
Any word on the 2nd stage coast/restart experiment?  Will we know anything?

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #112 on: 12/05/2019 07:31 pm »
It's sad NASA removed the post-launch press conferences, they were good moments for extra questions and comments about how the mission had gone...

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #113 on: 12/05/2019 08:59 pm »
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I do not recall ever seeing a launch image like this before, it's fascinating.  Is that the exhaust gases falling back down into the atmosphere?  There wouldn't be anything holding them up, so it's clouds gently raining down from the sky.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #114 on: 12/05/2019 09:48 pm »
I do not recall ever seeing a launch image like this before, it's fascinating.  Is that the exhaust gases falling back down into the atmosphere?  There wouldn't be anything holding them up, so it's clouds gently raining down from the sky.
I suspect it is the contrail that forms around Max-Q, slowly drifting and dispersing in this time-lapse.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
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Any word on the 2nd stage coast/restart experiment?  Will we know anything?
Maybe the experiment is still underway …

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Congrats to SpaceX, NASA and of course NSF :)

Did I see correctly that for the 1st time ever, the F9S2 M1DVac Nozzle stiffener ring decided it wasn't done yet and rode the hot nozzle all the way to orbit?

Usually it comes off a few seconds after ignition, but I'm pretty sure I saw it remain all the way to SECO this time.

Can anyone confirm that? Is it really the first time it does that?

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No, you can clearly see the ring separate. Look at about 17:48 in the archived live stream.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #117 on: 12/05/2019 11:30 pm »


No, you can clearly see the ring separate. Look at about 17:48 in the archived live stream.

Thanks, definitely, yeah. I was looking at a feature further down. Makes me wonder if they did change the stiffener ring design after all. Not that it really matters.

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So why did the SpaceX commentator say today's booster recovery was the 20th? Per the first two posts of the manifest, there have been over 40.

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=43418.0
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #119 on: 12/06/2019 01:37 am »
Ignoring FH boosters, 20 landings ago was Koreasat5A on 10-30-17.  Nothing exciting enough to create a breakpoint.
Counting FH landings, 20 goes back to 1/2 of the FH demo launch.

No idea.



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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #120 on: 12/06/2019 01:55 am »
Was it 20th on that droneship?  I seem to recall seeing that number mentioned before the launch.  (I haven't actually watched the launch with sound turned on yet.)

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Dragon has flown 20 times and returned.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #122 on: 12/06/2019 02:04 am »
Don't have time to count, but I assumed he meant 20th booster to be recovered, there were 40 something landings, but some of the boosters landed more than once.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
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So why did the SpaceX commentator say today's booster recovery was the 20th? Per the first two posts of the manifest, there have been over 40.

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=43418.0
20th successful landing and, presumably, full recovery return to port, on OCISLY (out of 27 attempts).  A total of 45 successful landings (and returns to port) have occurred, performed by 27 boosters.  Three boosters (19, 26, and 42) were retired after only one flight, despite landing.

First Stage Landing Stats
as of 12/05/2019
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Successes/Attempts      45/54*
F9 Successes/Attempts   39/45
FH Successes/Attempts    6/9*
OCISLY                  20/27*
JRTI                     7/8
CC LZ-1                 13/14
CC LZ-2                  3/3
VA LZ-4                  2/2
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* FH-2 Core B1055.1 landed successfully on OSCILY, but subsequently
  toppled and was lost.  Is not counted as a success in these numbers.


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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #124 on: 12/06/2019 09:01 pm »
What are the TLEs for the initial orbit insertion?
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What are the TLEs for the initial orbit insertion?
0 DRAGON CRS-19
1 44821U 19083A   19339.74539757 -.00003561  11257-4  00000+0 0  9997
2 44821  51.6416 231.3246 0130257  46.9556  65.0049 15.94162986    03

2019-083A - DRAGON CRS-19 - 2019-12-05 17:53 UTC - 210.91/384.64km/51.64°

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Beautifully clear weather today for #CRS19! Here’s a long exposure I made on my iPhone with the @NightCapApp from the roof of the Vehicle Assembly Building! GO Dragon!

⚙️/⬇️/🖼: tmahlmann.com/photos/Rockets…

I do not recall ever seeing a launch image like this before, it's fascinating.  Is that the exhaust gases falling back down into the atmosphere?  There wouldn't be anything holding them up, so it's clouds gently raining down from the sky.

I suspect it is the contrail that forms around Max-Q, slowly drifting and dispersing in this time-lapse.

 - Ed Kyle

The cascade is not exhaust but indeed condensation, and forms not at Max-Q but instead approaching and reaching the sound barrier. The callout for "supersonic" begins most precisely at T+00:01:03, and the callout for "maximum aerodynamic pressure" begins 11 seconds later, at T+00:01:14. Condensation forms because the air pressure decreases surrounding vehicles approaching and reaching the sound barrier. Then picture squeezing water from a rag lengthwise, which would be analogous to what MaxQ did with the vapor.

In all honesty, I learned of this phenomenon just this past October, when a Jacksonville hobbyist photographer's photo from the Jacksonville Sea and Sky airshow was explained by a local meteorologist. That photo and one other like it were posted publicly on Facebook, so I am sharing both. The plane is the USAF F-35 Lightning, and photo credit to Moody McCall.

The vertical temperature and dew point gradients at the Cape would have also had an impact, so I am including a description of Florida weather typical for this time of year, from meteorologist Matt Devitt at WINK Weather covering SW Florida. 
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #127 on: 12/07/2019 10:10 pm »
ISS flying into sunset with Dragon trailing behind, from the Philadelphia suburbs a few minutes ago.  My first sight of a Dragon!
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #128 on: 12/08/2019 12:21 am »
Any word on the 2nd stage coast/restart experiment?  Will we know anything?
Maybe the experiment is still underway …

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Cross posting from the updates thread,

One more box ticked for US Air Force GEO launches.

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LOS ANGELES  The upper stage of the SpaceX Falcon 9 mission to the International Space Station Dec. 5 successfully performed a six-hour coast and a deorbit burn, a test that had been requested by the U.S. Air Force to demonstrate the vehicle can deliver national security payloads directly to geosynchronous Earth orbit.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #129 on: 12/08/2019 04:25 am »
 So I noted in this post https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=49550.msg2022448#msg2022448
 that SpaceX 'limited stage 2 acceleration to 3.5g'. This sounded familiar to me from I think ULA launches describing a '3.5g throttle segment', and perhaps somewhere else where I'd heard it was desirable for some payloads to limit acceleration to this level. Was this perhaps yet another aspect, along with the stage 2 on orbit, testing to certify Falcon for certain military and intelligence payloads? Or nothing to do with anything.   

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #130 on: 12/08/2019 11:55 am »
So I noted in this post https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=49550.msg2022448#msg2022448
 that SpaceX 'limited stage 2 acceleration to 3.5g'. This sounded familiar to me from I think ULA launches describing a '3.5g throttle segment', and perhaps somewhere else where I'd heard it was desirable for some payloads to limit acceleration to this level. Was this perhaps yet another aspect, along with the stage 2 on orbit, testing to certify Falcon for certain military and intelligence payloads? Or nothing to do with anything.   

ULA mentioned the “3.5g throttling” because they have to keep the Atlas V’s RD-180 and RL-10 engines at a level to maintain that acceleration for crew reasons. Keeping true to the typically-used throttle profile could cause the crew to black-out.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #131 on: 12/08/2019 12:27 pm »
So I noted in this post https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=49550.msg2022448#msg2022448
 that SpaceX 'limited stage 2 acceleration to 3.5g'. This sounded familiar to me from I think ULA launches describing a '3.5g throttle segment', and perhaps somewhere else where I'd heard it was desirable for some payloads to limit acceleration to this level. Was this perhaps yet another aspect, along with the stage 2 on orbit, testing to certify Falcon for certain military and intelligence payloads? Or nothing to do with anything.

EELV (and presumably also NSSL) Standard Interface Specifications (SIS) for, e.g., a payload mass of 6000 lb limit the "vertical" acceleration to 3.5 g in case the lateral acceleration might exceed 0.5 g.

The interface specs are indeed most likely derived from the military and intelligence payload requirements, like, e.g., Orion-type SIGINT satellites, which might have light-weight "fragile" deployable radio antennas with densities of at most 0.5 kg per square meter (0.1 lb / sq ft).


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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #132 on: 12/08/2019 03:19 pm »
Cargo.

Curious illustration
From NASA?
Is that the Starliner “trunk”?
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
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Curious illustration
From NASA?
Is that the Starliner “trunk”?

That's the Dragon trunk.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #134 on: 12/08/2019 04:52 pm »
I noticed yesterday when they brought OCISLY back with CRS19 that the first stage looked like it was leaning slightly.
Is that a problem with the hydraulics in the landing legs?
It's not a very big lean just curious.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #135 on: 12/08/2019 05:24 pm »
I noticed yesterday when they brought OCISLY back with CRS19 that the first stage looked like it was leaning slightly.
Is that a problem with the hydraulics in the landing legs?
It's not a very big lean just curious.

Don’t think it was anything out of ordinary, but there is a crush-core in each leg at the end is the travel for the piston. This absorbs some landing impact. If it comes in off vertical, that first leg to touch can take a larger load and would use up more of the crush/core.

Don’t know if it really is leaning or is that an artifact of wide-angle lenses, but even if it were, there are benign explanations

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #136 on: 12/08/2019 06:15 pm »
Curious illustration
From NASA?
Is that the Starliner “trunk”?

That's the Dragon trunk.
No it’s not.
It has narrow external pods in threefold symmetry, no solar panels, and some small protuberance.
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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Curious illustration
From NASA?
Is that the Starliner “trunk”?

That's the Dragon trunk.
No it’s not.
It has narrow external pods in threefold symmetry, no solar panels, and some small protuberance.

Pretty sure its Dragon. It has some weird perspective going on with the solar array covers.
I tried it at home

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #138 on: 12/08/2019 07:53 pm »
Curious illustration
From NASA?
Is that the Starliner “trunk”?

That's the Dragon trunk.
No it’s not.
It has narrow external pods in threefold symmetry, no solar panels, and some small protuberance.

Pretty sure its Dragon. It has some weird perspective going on with the solar array covers.

Ah. I see my mistake :-[
I misinterpreted a lighting line on the solar array cover and the stylized disconnect.
Carry on!
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[Spaceflight Now] Falcon 9 performs extended mission in test for future U.S. military launches
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A SpaceX official said Friday that engineers added baffles to the second stage tanks to help prevent liquid propellant from pooling on the tank walls. The official said SpaceX’s earlier long-duration coast demonstrations, such as the STP-2 mission on the Falcon Heavy, proved the upper stage could perform maneuvers over several hours, but that engineers did not quite see the results they desired.

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Falcon 9 cargo mission for NASA demonstrated long-duration coast required by U.S. Air Force

LOS ANGELES  The upper stage of the SpaceX Falcon 9 mission to the International Space Station Dec. 5 successfully performed a six-hour coast and a deorbit burn, a test that had been requested by the U.S. Air Force to demonstrate the vehicle can deliver national security payloads directly to geosynchronous Earth orbit.

Something similar to the requirement above was also demonstrated earlier, on March 4, 2016 with the SES-9 launch. After a long delay following the CRS-7 anomaly in 2015, SpaceX compensated SES with a supersychronous injection. 
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
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Space News...

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Falcon 9 cargo mission for NASA demonstrated long-duration coast required by U.S. Air Force

LOS ANGELES  The upper stage of the SpaceX Falcon 9 mission to the International Space Station Dec. 5 successfully performed a six-hour coast and a deorbit burn, a test that had been requested by the U.S. Air Force to demonstrate the vehicle can deliver national security payloads directly to geosynchronous Earth orbit.

Something similar to the requirement above was also demonstrated earlier, on March 4, 2016 with the SES-9 launch. After a long delay following the CRS-7 anomaly in 2015, SpaceX compensated SES with a supersychronous injection.

Putting something in supersync GTO is not remotely similar to putting it directly in GEO.

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Falcon 9 cargo mission for NASA demonstrated long-duration coast required by U.S. Air Force

LOS ANGELES  The upper stage of the SpaceX Falcon 9 mission to the International Space Station Dec. 5 successfully performed a six-hour coast and a deorbit burn, a test that had been requested by the U.S. Air Force to demonstrate the vehicle can deliver national security payloads directly to geosynchronous Earth orbit.

Something similar to the requirement above was also demonstrated earlier, on March 4, 2016 with the SES-9 launch. After a long delay following the CRS-7 anomaly in 2015, SpaceX compensated SES with a supersychronous injection.

Putting something in supersync GTO is not remotely similar to putting it directly in GEO.

"Not remotely similar" is not a fair assessment, because supersync got the SES satellite to its final destination faster than previously planned, which is in essence what the Air Force wants to do with their national security satellites. However, I did find conflicting definitions for supersync on Stack Exchange, one saying the perigee is raised and the apogee is lowered, the latter cost offset by saving on inclination change, and as in the case of SES-9 as I remember it, the apogee was raised https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/13620/differences-between-launch-injection-and-transfer-orbits-for-geostationary-satel
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #143 on: 12/09/2019 05:44 am »
Supersync GTO from the second stage poimt of view is just a normal GTO mission where the only difference is that the second second stage burn lasts longr. The result is an higher that GEO altitude apogee and sometimes lower inclination.

There are no particular difficulties for this profile as the timing is almost identical to a normal GTO mission. A direct to GEO mission is much more complex and is not as trivial.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #144 on: 12/09/2019 10:36 pm »
Apple’s Tim Cook appreciating a CRS-19 launch photo:

https://twitter.com/johnkrausphotos/status/1204175292006359041

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Thanks, @tim_cook! 🍎🤯🚀

Love the 'Sent from my iPhone' 😃

In response to:

https://twitter.com/johnkrausphotos/status/1202707507795386369

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Today’s Falcon 9 launch of #CRS19 — Shot on an iPhone placed at Space Launch Complex 40! #ShotoniPhone

It’s amazing how far smartphone cameras have come 🚀🤯
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #145 on: 12/11/2019 03:55 pm »
SpaceX retracts Falcon 9 booster’s landing legs a second time after speedy reuse..
By Eric Ralph Posted on July 29, 2019
https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-retracts-falcon-9-landings-legs-second-time/

Is this the 3rd time legs have been retracted?  (1056.1, 1056.2 and 1059.1)

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« Reply #146 on: 12/28/2019 05:57 pm »
Yes, very cool... reminds me when I used to write 3D software (long long time ago) using a home made version of Earth data (continents, islands, rivers, about 8000 data points), adding a random orbital inclination and letting it run for x hours.

The goal was to come back, pan around and try to figure out where I was.

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This video was created using  thousands of individual photos taken by astronauts aboard the ISS then using software to interpolate missing frames, we have been able to recreate it in real-time.

The process isn't perfect and you may notice some artifacts but I think that on the whole it looks pretty cool!

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #147 on: 01/07/2020 06:18 am »
Has anyone ever seen the Dragon following behind the ISS shortly before/after berthing? I noticed the ISS is flying overhead shortly after canadarm release and around 80 minutes after sunset. I curious to know if it's possible to see it and how long after departure I'd have to wait to see it.

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Has anyone ever seen the Dragon following behind the ISS shortly before/after berthing? I noticed the ISS is flying overhead shortly after canadarm release and around 80 minutes after sunset. I curious to know if it's possible to see it and how long after departure I'd have to wait to see it.
Go to https://www.heavens-above.com/PassSummary.aspx?satid=25544&lat=0&lng=0&loc=Unspecified&alt=0&tz=UCT, enter your location, and it will tell you when the ISS is visible.  Click on the pass in the table closest to the Dragon sep, and it will display a sky map showing the path of the ISS.  The ISS will be one of the brightest objects in the sky.  You might need binoculars to see the Dragon.

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Has anyone ever seen the Dragon following behind the ISS shortly before/after berthing? I noticed the ISS is flying overhead shortly after canadarm release and around 80 minutes after sunset. I curious to know if it's possible to see it and how long after departure I'd have to wait to see it.
Go to https://www.heavens-above.com/PassSummary.aspx?satid=25544&lat=0&lng=0&loc=Unspecified&alt=0&tz=UCT, enter your location, and it will tell you when the ISS is visible.  Click on the pass in the table closest to the Dragon sep, and it will display a sky map showing the path of the ISS.  The ISS will be one of the brightest objects in the sky.  You might need binoculars to see the Dragon.

Yeh spotted ISS easily as usual, just Dragon was too close to the ISS. With the Binoculars I had I would've needed Dragon to be a good 1500m away from the ISS to tell the two apart. If only they departed 30 minutes earlier or so.

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This seems like another of those “out of an abundance of caution” investigations

When the solar panels are “glinting” they are reflecting light from the Sun, which subtends a half degree. Therefore, any particular portion of the solar panels that flexes by a quarter degree moves the “line of sight” the equivalent of the full angular diameter of the sun. That will make dramatic changes in brightness.
The Dracos do not fire perfectly smoothly. The solar panels are long, light, flexible, segmented structures. It would be very surprising if they DIDN’T shake with large multiples of that tiny angle. I would EXPECT the brightness of sunlight to vary dramatically and rapidly.
Dragon doesn’t need plume impingement to create this visible effect.
There are many people at NASA with the appropriate knowledge of the nature of scattered light (we affectionately call them “scatterbrains”) but they may never be asked if this is considered a propulsion problem. It’s like asking a surgeon what to do about a medical issue. They routinely recommend surgery. Plume modeling will be another “rabbit hole” that could result in delays and unnecessary modifications. Let’s hope that doesn’t happen.
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https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1214491407685210112
This seems like another of those “out of an abundance of caution” investigations

When the solar panels are “glinting” they are reflecting light from the Sun, which subtends a half degree. Therefore, any particular portion of the solar panels that flexes by a quarter degree moves the “line of sight” the equivalent of the full angular diameter of the sun. That will make dramatic changes in brightness.
The Dracos do not fire perfectly smoothly. The solar panels are long, light, flexible, segmented structures. It would be very surprising if they DIDN’T shake with large multiples of that tiny angle. I would EXPECT the brightness of sunlight to vary dramatically and rapidly.
Dragon doesn’t need plume impingement to create this visible effect.
There are many people at NASA with the appropriate knowledge of the nature of scattered light (we affectionately call them “scatterbrains”) but they may never be asked if this is considered a propulsion problem. It’s like asking a surgeon what to do about a medical issue. They routinely recommend surgery. Plume modeling will be another “rabbit hole” that could result in delays and unnecessary modifications. Let’s hope that doesn’t happen.

I don't know if that's quite right.  He didn't say anything about glint.  He said the panels flexed "quite vigorously."  These guys have been up there a while and I'm sure they understand the difference between a mirror surface shaking slightly and changing a sunlit "glint," and the structure actually shaking vigorously.  It's good to take a look at compare the expected vs actual plume affects on the structure, as well as any possibly unexpected contamination due to the plume.  I guess "abundance of caution" might apply, but I think it's more just good analysis of the observations of a smart, professional observer's report.

And in case I'm misunderstanding your post, he wasn't talking about the Dragon's panels; he was talking about plume impingement on and movement of the Cygnus' panels.

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And in case I'm misunderstanding your post, he wasn't talking about the Dragon's panels; he was talking about plume impingement on and movement of the Cygnus' panels.
Dang!
You appear to be correct
I did not listen and look sufficiently carefully.
On closer inspection that image looks more like overexposure to enhance the debris than glint, because the Dragon capsule is also very bright.
My mistake.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #153 on: 01/07/2020 08:00 pm »
Noticed some pretty gnarly outgassing / contamination on the surfaces surrounding the GNC bay.  Inside of the CBM petals is getting pretty brown from outgassing as well.

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Noticed some pretty gnarly outgassing / contamination on the surfaces surrounding the GNC bay. Inside of the CBM petals is getting pretty brown from outgassing as well.

Are you (and the ISS community) certain the discoloration is (1) real (e.g., not an artifact of lighting and color-balance); and (2) a result of outgassing (from which surfaces and materials?); surface contamination (e.g., propellant residues ); or oxidation from long-term orbital exposure to UV and atomic oxygen or other trace contaminants such as ammonia?

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« Reply #155 on: 01/08/2020 05:16 pm »
Noticed some pretty gnarly outgassing / contamination on the surfaces surrounding the GNC bay. Inside of the CBM petals is getting pretty brown from outgassing as well.

Are you (and the ISS community) certain the discoloration is (1) real (e.g., not an artifact of lighting and color-balance); and (2) a result of outgassing (from which surfaces and materials?); surface contamination (e.g., propellant residues ); or oxidation from long-term orbital exposure to UV and atomic oxygen or other trace contaminants such as ammonia?

On (1): yes, absolutely.  I've seen it personally on returned hardware, and this type of discoloration is visible in multiple other places that have known outgassing materials nearby.

On (2): It's a combination of things.  Contaminants outgas from all sorts of surfaces (silicone materials are notoriously bad for this, but a large number of polymeric materials spit out quite a bit of stuff).  When it's initially deposited, it's clear, but UV radiation causes discoloration.  This effect is visible on large portions of the Russian segment, and on the US segment, it's particularly bad on the edges of the airlock hatch thermal cover.

Here's a WIRED article from a year ago that talks pretty extensively about the problem.

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On (1): yes, absolutely.  I've seen it personally on returned hardware, and this type of discoloration is visible in multiple other places that have known outgassing materials nearby.

On (2): It's a combination of things.  Contaminants outgas from all sorts of surfaces (silicone materials are notoriously bad for this, but a large number of polymeric materials spit out quite a bit of stuff).  When it's initially deposited, it's clear, but UV radiation causes discoloration.  This effect is visible on large portions of the Russian segment, and on the US segment, it's particularly bad on the edges of the airlock hatch thermal cover.

Here's a WIRED article from a year ago that talks pretty extensively about the problem.

Thanks for the link. It's been decades since my days as a baby engineer on Space Station Freedom. I'd like to see how much of what warned about (and were warned about by others) WRT to external contamination was warranted. ;)
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-19 : December 5, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #157 on: 01/12/2020 07:00 pm »
Would it be accurate to say that this is some of the same general chemical process that produces tholins?
("organic" molecules, abiologically polymerized, then chemically altered by UV radiation)
(However, the polymers were produced by sapient carbon-based lifeforms.)
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