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Re: Impacts of Large Satellite Constellations on Astronomy
« Reply #620 on: 06/10/2021 03:24 pm »
twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1402688534486601731

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At the #AAS238 public policy session, charts by Pat Seitzer (presented by Richard Green) show that Starlink visorsats are 4x dimmer than the original ones, although at mag ~6.5 not quite yet at the goal of mag 7 or fainter.

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A similar chart for OneWeb satellites show they’re around mag 7.85. However, at their higher altitudes they’re visible longer each night.
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Re: Impacts of Large Satellite Constellations on Astronomy
« Reply #621 on: 06/15/2021 06:39 pm »
Book Review: Losing the Sky

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But does the public really care about megaconstellations interfering with astronomy? Lawrence describes the “loss of the sky” as “the final straw” for the public in broader concerns about the environment. But, despite visions offered by some astronomers of satellites crisscrossing the night sky, those satellites will be invisible to people in light-polluted cities and suburbs. The VisorSat versions of Starlink, in fact, are too dim to see with the naked eye in all but the best viewing conditions once in their final orbits. (They are more readily visible during their orbit-raising process, an issue SpaceX has also been trying to address.) They certainly pose a hazard to both professional and amateur astronomers, but their concerns may not be shared by the wider public.

At the end of book, Lawrence points readers to a petition demanding that the FCC withdraw licenses for Starlink and other megaconstellations. That petition has attracted only about 17,400 signatures since November 2019 (16,787 when Lawrence wrote that section of the book, published early this year.) That’s… not a lot. By contrast, an odd petition demanding that Washington’s Reagan National Airport be renamed after a teenage pop star has received more than 73,000 signatures since this spring. The public is more interested in pop stars than celestial stars.

Fortunately, public interest isn’t required to try and solve this problem. It can be included into broader discussions about space sustainability that include ways to mitigate the growth of orbital debris and clean up existing debris. Given the glacial pace of international proceedings, engagement with companies, like what astronomers have been doing with SpaceX since 2019 that led to things like VisorSat, offers the best path to near-term solutions to solving the problem. If astronomers wait for the diplomats to act, the sky may well be lost—at least for them.

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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/spacex-starlink-mega-constellation-faces-fresh-legal-challenge/

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Last year Scientific American was the first outlet to report on a paper in the Vanderbilt Journal of Entertainment and Technology Law that argued that the Federal Communications Commission’s (FCC’s) approval of mega constellations such as Starlink may have been in breach of U.S. environmental law—specifically, the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA). Since 1986, the FCC has had a “categorical exclusion” that means almost none of its activities require an environmental review under NEPA. The paper argued this exclusion should no longer be valid, considering the FCC’s current activities, particularly its licensing of satellites in space. “It’s clear from a legal standpoint that the FCC is not following NEPA,” says Ramon Ryan, a recent law graduate of Vanderbilt University and the paper’s author.

Questions remain, however, over arguments that NEPA should extend to space. To date, no court has ruled on the issue. Now the matter is set to be put to the test: The California-based communications company Viasat, which operates a rival satellite Internet service, submitted a filing to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit asking for a reassessment of the FCC’s licensing of some Starlink satellites. While the filing only relates to a recent modification to lower the planned altitudes of about 3,000 Starlink satellites, the case could set a precedent that will force the agency to consider any future satellite licenses’ impact on the night sky.

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Even if SpaceX is willing to voluntarily address the impacts of its satellites on the night sky, there are concerns that other countries and companies might not be so cooperative. China, which has plans to launch a constellation of 13,000 satellites, has been characteristically silent on the issue. Lynk, a U.S. company that wants to launch 5,000 satellites, did not respond to a request for comment. Amazon plans for a more than 3,000-strong Project Kuiper constellation.
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Re: Impacts of Large Satellite Constellations on Astronomy
« Reply #623 on: 07/02/2021 10:18 am »
Foust Forward | The sky isn’t falling (yet)

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Two years ago, when astronomers gathered at the 234th meeting of the American Astronomical Society (AAS) in St. Louis, one word was on the minds of many attendees: Starlink. Just a few weeks earlier, SpaceX had launched the first set of 60 Starlink satellites, and the unexpected appearance of the satellites in twilight skies as a bright string of pearls dismayed astronomers. With SpaceX planning to launch potentially tens of thousands of such satellites, astronomers had visions — or, more accurately, nightmares — of a ruined night sky.

At the 238th meeting of the AAS, held online in early June, the threat posed by Starlink didn’t seem nearly as urgent among attendees as it did then, or at the next AAS meeting in January 2020 that devoted a special session on the subject. One reason may be that virtual meetings, even with chat rooms and Slack channels, can’t replicate the hallway discussions at in-person conferences where people share what they really think about such topics.

Another, though, is that astronomers have made progress mitigating the threat through cooperation rather than confrontation. Meetings between astronomers and SpaceX have led to design changes to the Starlink satellites, including the “VisorSat” design where a visor prevents sunlight from reaching reflective surfaces like antenna panels. SpaceX has launched about 1,000 VisorSat versions of Starlink.

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Re: Impacts of Large Satellite Constellations on Astronomy
« Reply #624 on: 07/04/2021 04:58 am »
Radio telescope faces “extremely concerning” threat from satellite constellations

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A multibillion-dollar radio telescope is moving into its construction phase while still working to raise funding and deal with satellite megaconstellations whose interference “change the game” for their plans.

In a June 29 talk at the annual meeting of the European Astronomical Society, Philip Diamond, director general of the Square Kilometer Array (SKA) Observatory, announced that the observatory’s council had formally approval plans to move into the construction phase of the radio telescope.

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Diamond said the SKA was in technical discussions with satellite operators on mitigation measures “that would significantly limit the impact on the SKA telescopes.” He didn’t elaborate on the specific measures.

During a talk at the conference July 2, Federico Di Vruno, spectrum manager of the SKA Observatory, said the observatory had developed “flagging and excision” technologies to identify radio-frequency interference by satellites and removing it from the data. “This represents a loss of observing time,” he said, but such interference from the constellations by OneWeb and SpaceX would account for less than four percent of observations.

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Re: Impacts of Large Satellite Constellations on Astronomy
« Reply #625 on: 07/18/2021 08:24 am »

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Re: Impacts of Large Satellite Constellations on Astronomy
« Reply #626 on: 07/28/2021 03:08 pm »
Astronomers back technical efforts to reduce impacts of satellite megaconstellations while seeking regulatory solutions

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With slow progress on regulation and policy, astronomers are making progress on other approaches to mitigate the effects that satellite megaconstellations will have on their observations.

At the conclusion of the weeklong SATCON2 workshop July 16, astronomers announced a proposal to develop a virtual center called SatHub that will provide tools for astronomers to avoid satellite passes in their observations or correct observations affected by such passes.

“The idea here is to have a one-stop shop for all of your different needs pertaining to low Earth orbit satellite constellation observations,” said Meredith Rawls of the University of Washington, chair of the workshop’s observations working group, at a press briefing about the workshop July 16.

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Re: Impacts of Large Satellite Constellations on Astronomy
« Reply #627 on: 07/28/2021 04:29 pm »
Assuring the outcome of access to the utility of Internet has a certain setting of desirability. (I myself am to the Right of Left.) That setting of desirability is greater than the setting of desirability that determines the degree of pristine state that can be preserved for science. Because assured outcome has a higher priority than preserving present conditions for science (I am not objecting), science must develop software that can back out the assured outcome, or, must move above the altitude of affected by assured outcome. The crisis caused by assured outcome is an opportunity for international collaboration on a substantial space based telescope that covers what is most impacted by assured outcome.
[The assured outcome of proliferating the magnitude of per capita American energy consumption will also hasten any crisis that various individuals assert they want to slow, halt or reverse. That is also an opportunity for  international collaboration above the altitude of greenhouse gas.]
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Re: Impacts of Large Satellite Constellations on Astronomy
« Reply #628 on: 08/04/2021 05:38 am »
Not directly related to the topic, but this article is an interesting read. It shows how the the National Radio Quiet Zone around Green Bank is not being enforced at all, one has to wonder why some astronomers have so much hatred towards mega-constellations when they couldn't even enforce a radio quiet zone a few miles from the radio telescope. Granted all the vocal anti-mega constellation astronomers I've seen are from the optical side, so it's possible the radio side actually knows how the real world works...

The Truth About the Quietest Town in America - The National Radio Quiet Zone limits wireless communications. But a journey to its center in Green Bank, West Virginia, reveals a town at odds with itself.

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As I dug into the issue, I found myself wading into a legal debate. Observatory staff and scientists initially told me in no uncertain terms that the facility could push back against any source of radio interference in town, be it Wi-Fi or a smartphone, a microwave or a malfunctioning electric blanket. But when I raised the issue with scientists and officials in the greater radio astronomy community, I was told that West Virginia’s law against radio noise was essentially toothless, meaning Niday had no power to crack down on Wi-Fi, smartphones, microwaves, and other reportedly “outlawed” electronics.

I would eventually bring the debate to Anthony Beasley, director of the National Radio Astronomy Observatory (NRAO) in Charlottesville, Virginia, which oversaw Green Bank’s operations from 1956 until 2016, when the two entities split. The NRAO still operates telescopes around the world and has a vested interest in maintaining the Quiet Zone. Beasley agreed there was ambiguity to the Quiet Zone regulations. But he said the argument was somewhat removed from reality. Even if the state and federal laws could be interpreted in their strictest possible way, it still wouldn’t make financial or logistical sense to hunt Wi-Fi up and down the valley. For a cash-strapped observatory fighting to merely stay open, why hire lawyers to prosecute Wi-Fi-users when that money could go toward scientific equipment, staff, and research?

“You’ve got to decide which hill you’re going to die on,” Beasley said. “Taking someone to court and potentially getting some kind of class action lawsuit going would be an incredible waste of time, in my opinion.”

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Re: Impacts of Large Satellite Constellations on Astronomy
« Reply #629 on: 08/13/2021 02:55 am »
Telesat close to completing Lightspeed funding

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Telesat is close to securing all the funds it needs for Lightspeed, after the Canadian government said it would inject more than a billion dollars into the low Earth orbit constellation.

The government plans to invest 1.44 billion Canadian dollars ($1.15 billion) in the project, which aims to start launching a network of nearly 300 broadband satellites next year.

In return, Telesat will invest in Canadian infrastructure to build out Lightspeed, including hundreds of jobs and scholarships.

It means Telesat has now made arrangements for about 4 billion Canadian dollars of funding for Lightspeed, more than two-thirds of its expected overall cost. Telesat has put a $5 billion price tag on Lightspeed, or 6.3 billion Canadian dollars.

By my count, Canadian government has now promised to invest more than $2B into Telesat constellation. This fact completely blew apart the narrative that somehow mega-constellation only exists due to some deficiency in US government's broadband policy. And the fact that Canadian government is investing more than twice the money into mega constellation than FCC is just the icing on the cake.

It's time for astronomers to realize mega-constellation is not some billionaires' ego trip, nor is it created to compensate for mistakes in US broadband policy. Mega-constellation is here because now is the time we have developed the technology to make it here, it's the forefront of the space industrialization age.

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Re: Impacts of Large Satellite Constellations on Astronomy
« Reply #630 on: 08/31/2021 03:04 am »
Analytical simulations of the effect of satellite constellations on optical and near-infrared observations

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The number of satellites in low-Earth orbit is increasing rapidly, and many tens of thousands of them are expected to be launched in the coming years. There is a strong concern among the astronomical community about the contamination of optical and near-infrared observations by satellite trails. We analyze the impact analysis of such constellations on optical and near-infrared astronomical observations in a rigorous and quantitative way, using updated constellation information, and considering imagers and spectrographs and their very different characteristics. We introduce an analytical method that allows us to rapidly and accurately evaluate the effect of a very large number of satellites, accounting for their magnitudes and the effect of trailing of the satellite image during the exposure. We use this to evaluate the impact on a series of representative instruments, including imagers (traditional narrow field instruments, wide-field survey cameras, and astro-photographic cameras) and spectrographs (long-slit and fibre-fed), taking into account their limiting magnitude. As already known (Walker et al. 2020), the effect of satellite trails is more damaging for high-altitude satellites, on wide-field instruments, or essentially during the first and last hours of the night. Thanks to their brighter limiting magnitudes, low- and mid-resolution spectrographs will be less affected, but the contamination will be at about the same level as that of the science signal, introducing additional challenges. High-resolution spectrographs will essentially be immune. We propose a series of mitigating measures, including one that uses the described simulation method to optimize the scheduling of the observations. We conclude that no single mitigation measure will solve the problem of satellite trails for all instruments and all science cases.

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Re: Impacts of Large Satellite Constellations on Astronomy
« Reply #631 on: 09/03/2021 05:43 am »
Analytical simulations of the effect of satellite constellations on optical and near-infrared observations

Finished reading this paper, it looks to me the result shows the impact of mega constellations to astronomy is pretty limited even under pessimistic assumptions, I wonder why no news media is picking this up....

1. Assumptions: They included ~60,000 satellites from all major players (Starlink Gen1 and 2, OneWeb Phase 1 and 2, Kuiper, GuoWang). The magnitude of the satellites is assumed to be the worst observed case for Starlink VisorSat, which is 5.7 at 550km (as seen in previous comments, average observed magnitude for VisorSat is 6.5)

2. Impact: See attached images from "Fig. 14. Average number of trails per exposure (a) and average fraction of the exposure lost (b) as a function of the sun elevation, for representative exposures at elevation > 30° on the instruments listed in Table 3. Twilights are shaded in blue; inaccessible solar elevations are shaded in grey for the equinoxes and solstices for Paranal latitude (-24.6°).". For most telescopes/instruments they considered, the loss fraction is less than 1%. Exception being LSST at 22% and FORS spectrographs at 8.8%. LSST's problem is due to magnitude brighter than saturation limit, since they're running the simulation using a satellite magnitude much brighter than the recommended 7.0 at 550km. This can probably be reduced significantly once SpaceX shows reduction to 7 magnitude is possible.

3. How they defined loss fraction: "The effect on the observations is computed as follows: Those satellites with an effective magnitude fainter than the 1σ detection limit were ignored, considering that their trail would be lost in the background noise. Those between the detection limit and heavy saturation limit were counted, and each one was considered to ruin a 5''-wide trail across the whole detector. In case of a long slit, they ruin 5'' of the slit. In real observations, it is plausible that all or part of the data below a non-saturated trail could be recovered, so this is a pessimistic limit. In the case of a fiber contaminated by a satellite, we consider that the whole spectrum is lost. For trails brighter than the heavy saturation limit, the whole exposure is considered damaged by the charge bleeding and/or electronic and/or optical ghosts. This was repeated for each shell in the constellation, and the effects were summed, resulting in maps of lost fractions. A value of, say, 50% indicates that either 50% of the individual exposures are entirely lost, or that 50% of the pixels in each exposure are lost or, more likely, a combination in between."

4. Bonus 1: They refuted the whole "satellites are making the night sky brighter!" meme created by another paper: "The satellites, including those that are not directly detected, contribute to the sky background. To evaluate this effect, surface brightness maps were computed. The magnitude of a satellite from a constellation was evaluated using Eqn. 6, then converted into flux, and finally used to weight the satellite density map described in §2.1.3. A total flux density map was obtained summing the contributions of all satellite shells, and transformed into surface brightness in mag/sq.arcsec. An example is presented in Fig. 10. In the illuminated part of the shells, the satellites contribute to a surface brightness in the 28–29 mag/sq.arcsec range (0.3–0.7 μcd m-2), with peaks around 26.5 mag/sq.arcsec (2.7 μcd m-2) at the cusps of the constellations. The surface brightness of the dark night sky is around V = 21:7 (Patat 2008) (225 μcd m-2), which means that the satellites from Table 1 will contribute at most an additional ~1% to the sky brightness in the worst areas of the sky. The contribution to the sky brightness is therefore small, and the simulations and mitigation focus on the discrete contamination by individual satellites."

5. Bonus 2: They also refuted the "sky will be full of satellites!" meme, although detailed analysis would be in another paper: "The case of visual observations – either naked eye, or through binoculars or telescope – will be considered in a separate paper. In summary, 15 to 50 satellites would be visible in the sky with the naked eye when the sun elevation is between -12° and -24°. When the sun is higher than -12°, the sky is too bright and no satellite is visible. When the sun is lower than -24°, no satellite is bright enough to be visible."
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Re: Impacts of Large Satellite Constellations on Astronomy
« Reply #632 on: 09/09/2021 12:20 pm »
This sounds like some radical group that we need to watch out for: Action Against Satellite Light Pollution

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Welcome to the Action Against Satellite Light Pollution website (AASLP). Our movement is dedicated to asking probing and necessary questions, whilst seeking answers as to whether individuals and organisations who are affected by satellite light pollution were consulted first? What efforts, if any are being made by the corporations who run these satellite programmes to mitigate and minimise the adverse impacts that their actions have on the human right to view a dark and uninterrupted night sky? Satellite light pollution and radio interference cause major problems for astronomers, both professional and amateur. Other vital astrophysical scientific research is also becoming impossible to undertake, past examples of which, communication satellite technology  would not have been ‘realised’ without it. Our goal is to inform and encourage questioning by global citizens and if possible engage an active movement against the unjustified exploitation of our commonwealth… the night sky.

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Re: Impacts of Large Satellite Constellations on Astronomy
« Reply #633 on: 09/09/2021 01:48 pm »
Jason Report on the Impacts of Large Satellite Constellations

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The U.S. National Science Foundation commissioned a study by the independent science advisory group JASON to assess the impact of current and planned large satellite constellations on astronomical observations in 2020. The charge for JASON was to:

* Understand the types and numbers of spacecraft planned for launch in the next decade.
* Understand the current regulatory process for commercial launches to Low Earth Orbit, both in the U.S and internationally.
* Characterize the types of interference that spacecraft could have on observations of multiple types, specifically in the optical and infrared wavelength regimes.
* Gather and describe the range of observations currently being made and foreseen for the future.
* Suggest any additional data that should be gathered to better understand the scope of the problem for the future.

NSF commissioned the report as a resource for all stakeholders. The JASON group had broad discretion in constructing its report and identifying relevant issues. The report sets benchmarks and the foundation for discussing the impacts on astronomy at various wavelengths.

NSF is reviewing the report's findings and recommendations and intends to continue to work with stakeholders on the development of mutual solutions.

Please review the full PDF report.

Recent and upcoming relevant activities and events can be found at the following:

* Report from the Dark and Quiet Skies conference sponsored by the UN Office of Outer Space Affairs and the International Astronomical Union and at the request of the United Nations Committee on the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space
* Satellite Constellations 1 report
* Satellite Constellations 2 workshop, July 12-16, 2021
* Dark and Quiet Skies for Science and Society Conference, October 3-7, 2021
* NSF's Spectrum Innovation Initiative
* Radio Spectrum Coordination Agreement

https://www.nsf.gov/news/special_reports/jasonreportconstellations/JSR-20-2H_The_Impacts_of_Large_Constellations_of_Satellites_508.pdf
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Re: Impacts of Large Satellite Constellations on Astronomy
« Reply #634 on: 10/03/2021 04:24 am »
Anyone who observes satellites for any period of time will understand why satellites are not going to ruin astronomy. There may be a few satellites visible after sunset or before sunrise, but a much worse problem is this thing called “airplanes”.

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Re: Impacts of Large Satellite Constellations on Astronomy
« Reply #635 on: 10/08/2021 03:03 am »
The Fault In Our Stars

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Soon after the launches began, lawyers and activists got involved, asking pointed questions about whether near-Earth space—once the domain of nations and militaries, now open to businesses and billionaires—was an environmental commons in need of protection, like a forest or river. Executives such as Musk pushed back, arguing global broadband would be a boon for poor, isolated communities desperate for online opportunities. But Tyson [Tony Tyson, Chief Scientist for the Large Synoptic Survey Telescope], for the moment at least, wanted to avoid public conflict. He emailed a former contact at SpaceX, hoping to speak engineer-to-engineer as he would have in his Bell Labs days.

And so it was that Tyson and several colleagues found themselves on the phone with Musk himself, negotiating the first chapter in an ongoing environmental dispute over who exactly decides the future of the sky. According to other people on the call, Musk said that if astronomers were clever, they would just put their telescopes into space, where the seeing was better anyway. But doing that would cost 10 or 100 times more, the astronomers replied—and if SpaceX was clever, their engineers could just solve the satellite brightness problem cheaply.

Tyson, explaining the technical needs of the Rubin detector, pushed for dimming the satellites by a factor of 30 or even 100—with Musk balking at the latter figure. But at the end of the conversation, Musk turned to some SpaceX engineers on the call. “Fix this,” he said.
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Re: Impacts of Large Satellite Constellations on Astronomy
« Reply #636 on: 10/16/2021 12:52 pm »
Conclusions from Satellite Constellations 2 Released

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The Satellite Constellations 2 (SATCON2) workshop, held 12–16 July 2021, brought together more than 350 astronomers, satellite operators, dark-sky advocates, policy experts, and other stakeholders from 40 countries to discuss how to implement the strategies and recommendations emerging from the 2020 SATCON1 workshop to minimize the negative impacts of satellite constellations on astronomy and the night sky. The executive summary of the SATCON2 report is released today online. The full report, which will add the detailed reports of the four SATCON2 working groups to the Executive Summary, will be released in the near future.

https://noirlab.edu/public/products/techdocs/techdoc031/

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« Reply #637 on: 10/17/2021 11:45 pm »
Conclusions from Satellite Constellations 2 Released

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The Satellite Constellations 2 (SATCON2) workshop, held 12–16 July 2021, brought together more than 350 astronomers, satellite operators, dark-sky advocates, policy experts, and other stakeholders from 40 countries to discuss how to implement the strategies and recommendations emerging from the 2020 SATCON1 workshop to minimize the negative impacts of satellite constellations on astronomy and the night sky. The executive summary of the SATCON2 report is released today online. The full report, which will add the detailed reports of the four SATCON2 working groups to the Executive Summary, will be released in the near future.

https://noirlab.edu/public/products/techdocs/techdoc031/

For the TL:DR crowd

Suggesting a global public info sharing group/portal/clearing house from the observation side of things called SatHub run by a new IAU2 "Centre for the Protection of the Dark and Quiet Sky from Satellite Constellation Interference", with a expanded remit from visible wavelengths to an expanded EM spectrum. They want operators to submit new orbit data every 8 hours or when a maneuver happens (whichever is first). They also want relevant metadata for sats such as reflectivity/BRDF/EIRP, transmission bandpasses, nominal flux density, etc so basically satellite profiles.  Operators should emit orbital data in standardized formats, leaning strongly on both plaintext NASA Modified ITC Ephemeris format (like SpaceX), as well as OMM format from CCSDS 502.0-B-2 that Celestrak likes. Orbital data will not be overwritten/erased, allowing for historical comparison, with relevant search capability in open source software tools allowing for translation/conversion to alternate formats and ephemerides like TLE.

For added fun, they want the megaconstellation operators to foot the bill for the SatHub public portal website.

They also want operators to consult with indigenous communities under Duty to Consult, as they tend to get forgotten.

They also want industry to slow down deployments until a regulatory framework is in place (fat chance of that). They think the OST provides a partial legal mandate to deal with visible light pollution at least.

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With respect to rising space traffic issues, having the IAU fronting what effectively is the beginnings of an international space traffic control system by establishing the tracking capabilities is not entirely unreasonable. But, dealing with legacy space assets/debris tracking, plus military reluctance to distribute TLE's and satellite profiles make this difficult...

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Re: Impacts of Large Satellite Constellations on Astronomy
« Reply #638 on: 10/18/2021 08:09 am »
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For the TL:DR crowd

Suggesting a global public info sharing group/portal/clearing house from the observation side of things called SatHub run by a new IAU2 "Centre for the Protection of the Dark and Quiet Sky from Satellite Constellation Interference", with a expanded remit from visible wavelengths to an expanded EM spectrum. They want operators to submit new orbit data every 8 hours or when a maneuver happens (whichever is first). They also want relevant metadata for sats such as reflectivity/BRDF/EIRP, transmission bandpasses, nominal flux density, etc so basically satellite profiles.  Operators should emit orbital data in standardized formats, leaning strongly on both plaintext NASA Modified ITC Ephemeris format (like SpaceX), as well as OMM format from CCSDS 502.0-B-2 that Celestrak likes. Orbital data will not be overwritten/erased, allowing for historical comparison, with relevant search capability in open source software tools allowing for translation/conversion to alternate formats and ephemerides like TLE.

For added fun, they want the megaconstellation operators to foot the bill for the SatHub public portal website.

They also want operators to consult with indigenous communities under Duty to Consult, as they tend to get forgotten.

They also want industry to slow down deployments until a regulatory framework is in place (fat chance of that). They think the OST provides a partial legal mandate to deal with visible light pollution at least.
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If the astronomers want the mega constellation operator(s) to set up and fund the SatHub portal. Then doesn't that means said operator(s) don't have to put up the riff-raff if the portal is private?


note - there is only one mega constellation operator currently.


Constellation deployment is already well underway and likely to speed up to meet regulatory deadline. AIUI the OST deals with outer space not terrestrial matters. Plus there is no current International legal framework for light pollution from space objects that I know of.




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With respect to rising space traffic issues, having the IAU fronting what effectively is the beginnings of an international space traffic control system by establishing the tracking capabilities is not entirely unreasonable. But, dealing with legacy space assets/debris tracking, plus military reluctance to distribute TLE's and satellite profiles make this difficult...


The IAU is not set up to pass regulations. Something like IATA is a better model.


It will be very hard to get TLE's and profiles of US military space assets. Probably impossible from other military space operators like China, Russia, etc.


For the "duration" of an emergency the US government can federalized commercial US comsat constellations as military assets.


Also there will be more maneuverable military space assets more capable than the X-37 spaceplane in the future.



In summary. It is like closing the barn doors after the horses has already bolted.


edit: typo
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Re: Impacts of Large Satellite Constellations on Astronomy
« Reply #639 on: 11/09/2021 02:35 am »
AI algorithms can help erase bright streaks of internet satellites – but they cannot save astronomy

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Hossen Teimoorinia, a researcher at the University of Victoria, Canada, has been experimenting with different techniques for a while. "If you want to remove satellite traces to find moving objects you need to prepare a very good dataset," he tells El Reg.

Not only do you have to collect images from observatories and institutions, they need to show exactly the same region of space with and without satellite interference and have to be pre-processed to make sure they're the same size and resolution, and so on. The other possibility is to add fake, artificial trails in clean images of the night sky to increase the amount of training examples.

"It's a little bit time consuming. But hopefully we will be able to train one main model and use transfer learning so it can be fine-tuned to handle different images taken from different telescopes," Teimoorinia says.

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