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mjp25 · « **Reply #540 on:** 04/29/2021 09:51 pm »

I would have liked to see them embrace the Space Transportation SYSTEM of which the space shuttle was only supposed to be a part. Presumably, if the budget supported 10 orbiters, it could have supported 5 and the orbital transfer vehicle and a lunar transfer vehicle.

sanman · « **Reply #541 on:** 05/02/2021 03:35 pm »

Blackstar · « **Reply #542 on:** 05/05/2021 05:00 pm »

https://screenrant.com/for-all-mankind-season-2-ending-mars-future-explained/

mjp25 · « **Reply #543 on:** 05/08/2021 11:08 pm »

It probably doesn't matter much because they're skipping ahead to the 90s but what about President Glenn in 84?
will Glenn get a ride in 95?

Ice · « **Reply #544 on:** 05/16/2021 08:19 pm »

Collection of Lunar scenes from season 2

Here are some of the images:

JAFO · « **Reply #545 on:** 05/16/2021 09:51 pm »

Quote from: Blackstar on 04/27/2021 03:02 pm

Quote from: sanman on 04/12/2021 03:22 am
That's Ronald Moore's style, as shown numerous times in BSG. Sometimes it does seem like he wants to make an episode of Dallas. I'll predict that the Karen-Danny fling will lead to a falling out between Ed and Gordo. This presumes that Gordo doesn't get killed in some military showdown on the Moon.

One of the things that bugged me most this season was the Karen-Danny thing. Keep in mind that he's 19 and she is in her 50s, probably 52 or 53 based upon her meeting and marrying Ed while he was flying during the Korean War. I won't say it was completely implausible, but if you think it out at all, it implies that Karen is really messed up. After all, she slept with a young man who was friends with her dead son. Oedipus ain't got nothing on her.

But there was really nothing indicating that Karen was that messed up. She was mad at Ed for going back to spaceflight and clearly she was acting out. But that anger does not match up to her actions unless she has some kind of undiagnosed mental illness.

While 19/50ish is at the upper end of the scale, May-December romances are not as uncommon as people may think, and that kind of age gap is not insurmountable for an affair, be it short term or occasional companionship for a period of time, and No, I will not tell you how I know that.

AFA the friend of her late son, well, I can’t speak for that, but an interesting movie called “Adore” came out a few years ago starring Robin Wright that’s worth checking out for a take on a similar subject. The movie is complex and handles the subject well. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2103267/

Mykha Dmytro · « **Reply #546 on:** 06/15/2021 10:34 am »

Quote from: mjp25 on 04/29/2021 09:51 pm

I would have liked to see them embrace the Space Transportation SYSTEM of which the space shuttle was only supposed to be a part. Presumably, if the budget supported 10 orbiters, it could have supported 5 and the orbital transfer vehicle and a lunar transfer vehicle.

I'm also disappointed with the second season, where realism was neglected (although it started in the first, but it wasn't so noticeable)

In my opinion, the Marine Draclin should have produced fuel for refueling Saturn-5. In orbit, the second-stage tanks would be refilled with fuel and about 200 tons could be delivered to Miyat.

Mykha Dmytro · « **Reply #547 on:** 06/15/2021 10:51 am »

I will explain my opinion a little:

There can be no Space Shuttles on the Moon - half the weight (wings and second stage engines) does not need to be delivered there and then back.

The most realistic option is as follows:
1) every few years Saturn-5 delivers to low Earth orbit manned coabel (in the first figure) a means of landing on the moon (in the second figure) acceleration stage which must first slow down in lunar orbit. and then deliver a manned spacecraft from there to low Earth orbit.

2) Then 2-3 space shuttle flights deliver cargo and rocket fuel (heptyl).

3) Acceleration ship is the second stage of Saturn-5, and for the flight is refueled by one launch of the Sea Dragon (one for each flight)
Next, the chemical accelerator unit removes the bundle of cargo and does not slow down, but only flies around the moon, and returns to Earth's orbit for reuse (has fuel to slow itself down empty)

4) When approaching the Moon, it is braked by an interorbital tug, one of which remains in orbit, the other ensures the landing of the manned spacecraft. Apparently, it will not be one, but 2-3 trucks, one of which is rocket fuel for flights to the moon.

5) Upon completion of the mission, the manned spacecraft takes off into the orbit of the moon, docks with the interorbital tug that awaits it here, and flies to Earth orbit, where it remains to wait for the Space Shuttle, and then reused.

Later (as technology becomes available) a space tug on chemical fuel can be replaced by a nuclear one (third figure)

RoadWithoutEnd · « **Reply #548 on:** 06/15/2021 11:18 am »

Mixed feelings about this show. The premise is irresistible: Almost every space fan sees the cancellation of Apollo as Original Sin, so the "What if?" game is a favorite. It starts out powerful, finding a plausible pivot point where the political structure might have made a better decision, but the logic starts to fray well before the end of the first season.

At a certain point it stops being an exploration of superior possibilities and becomes technological fan-service. A deterministic timeline where our wildest dreams have plot armor might be rarer than a dystopia, but it isn't much more interesting as it goes on.

By my personal alternate timeline, we would probably have run into similar problems on a larger scale. We'd get "stuck on the Moon" in the same way we're stuck in LEO: A lot of make-work missions not really meant to do anything; politicos talking about Mars, but really just spouting empty rhetoric to justify throwing money at old contractors who have no intention of getting there; the old guard not wanting to disrupt their fine-tuned lunar business models.

sanman · « **Reply #549 on:** 06/25/2021 01:11 am »

How the gripping climactic scene in the finale was filmed:

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/06/awards-insider-for-all-mankind-finale-scene/amp

Blackstar · « **Reply #550 on:** 06/30/2021 01:37 pm »

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/06/awards-insider-for-all-mankind-finale-scene/amp

Inside the Most Stunning Scene of For All Mankind’s Riveting Finale
David Canfield
June 24, 2021 11:48 AM
This article contains spoilers for the For All Mankind season finale.

They were playing dead, over and over. Eyes opened, then closed. Sitting straight up, then lying down. Not making physical contact, then in a tender embrace. It was Michael Dorman and Sarah Jones’ last day of filming, working toward the climactic reveal of For All Mankind’s second season: Their characters, astronauts (and ex-spouses) Gordo and Tracy, had met their demise on the moon, at the very moment they fell back in love. The final image had to be just right, so they tried every pose they could think of. “That shot needed to be very beautiful,” says director Sergio Mimica-Gezzan. “I had this image of Pompeii, when Vesuvius exploded. They found people who were hugging in corners, in petrified shapes.”

Robotbeat · « **Reply #551 on:** 07/01/2021 04:57 am »

Quote from: RoadWithoutEnd on 06/15/2021 11:18 am

Mixed feelings about this show. The premise is irresistible: Almost every space fan sees the cancellation of Apollo as Original Sin, so the "What if?" game is a favorite. It starts out powerful, finding a plausible pivot point where the political structure might have made a better decision, but the logic starts to fray well before the end of the first season.

At a certain point it stops being an exploration of superior possibilities and becomes technological fan-service. A deterministic timeline where our wildest dreams have plot armor might be rarer than a dystopia, but it isn't much more interesting as it goes on.

By my personal alternate timeline, we would probably have run into similar problems on a larger scale. We'd get "stuck on the Moon" in the same way we're stuck in LEO: A lot of make-work missions not really meant to do anything; politicos talking about Mars, but really just spouting empty rhetoric to justify throwing money at old contractors who have no intention of getting there; the old guard not wanting to disrupt their fine-tuned lunar business models.

Honestly, Jamestown really seemed like they WERE stuck on the Moon. Same spot for like 14 years, fighting over water and then lithium. No Mars until 1995, in spite of having Sea Dragon long ago, nuclear shuttles, refueling, lunar water, etc. The Moon almost ended up getting millions of people killed over scraps of resources definitely not worth fighting over. Counts as a quagmire, TBH.

FutureSpaceTourist · « **Reply #552 on:** 07/16/2021 06:32 am »

https://twitter.com/krysmarshall/status/1415910670231502849

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You guys!!! #ForAllMankind is nominated for a Television Critics Award for Best Drama! Woot woot!👩🏿‍🚀

FutureSpaceTourist · « **Reply #553 on:** 09/18/2021 12:39 am »

https://twitter.com/therealshantel/status/1438942515361636355

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That’s a wrap! Season 3 of @forallmankind_ is in the@can! I have TONS of pics I can’t wait to share but they are ALLLLL spoilers so they will have to wait for now! Get ready for Karen Baldwin 3.0! #spacestuff instagram.com/p/CT7xKAvPqZ2/…

su27k · « **Reply #554 on:** 12/10/2021 02:24 am »

https://twitter.com/fam_news_/status/1468748176613994500

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For All Mankind has been ranked #1 on the Rolling Stones list of best TV shows of 2021!
#ForAllMankind #Season2 https://rollingstone.com/tv/tv-lists/best-tv-shows-2021-1266921/for-all-mankind-apple-tv-1266922/

Blackstar · « **Reply #555 on:** 05/14/2022 10:15 pm »

https://ew.com/tv/for-all-mankind-season-3-first-look-photos-exclusive/

FutureSpaceTourist · « **Reply #556 on:** 05/16/2022 03:03 pm »

https://twitter.com/appletvplus/status/1526216211062661120

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Official Trailer - #ForAllMankind Season 3

Over two decades after the Moon landing, there's a new battle to face—Mars.

@ForAllMankind_ Season 3 June 10 apple.co/for-all-mankind

libra · « **Reply #557 on:** 05/16/2022 03:23 pm »

Talk about a mind blowing trailer... off we go, into the wild Red Planet.

JAFO · « **Reply #558 on:** 05/17/2022 05:47 am »

Did anyone else's heart skip a beat at 0:28?

Jer · « **Reply #559 on:** 05/17/2022 10:11 pm »

Is anyone else disappointed that it seems like the show has given up any semblance of trying to present a probable alternate history?

Last season with the Space Shuttle and not already being on Mars when they had an operational Sea Dragon was bad enough. This season seems completely divorced from any kind reality; like NASA sitting on their hands not going to Mars for 10 years while having an operational NERVA engine, a private company that goes from start to launching a massive ship to Mars in 10 years, NASA sending a 62 years old Ed to Mars, etc.

I think 10 year time jump every season was a mistake, it should've been 5 years or even less. So season 2 it's the late 70s and we have all this base vs base stuff that had siphoned all the funds from NERVA and Mars but the new Detente frees its up, and season 3 it's the early 80s and now they have everything ready to go for Mars.