Author Topic: For All Mankind (Read 227821 times)

hektor · « **Reply #200 on:** 12/23/2019 09:05 pm »

Caution : link to a spoilery article (even regarding Season 2)

For All Mankind Producers Break Down Season 1 Finale and Post-Credits Scene

hektor · « **Reply #201 on:** 12/26/2019 11:32 am »

Regarding the political context, I have the impression that Reagan will be elected in 1976 instead of 1980. So if we move forward to the eighties we could still have a Reagan presidency at the beginning of Season 2. The interesting question will be who will take over in 1984...

In season 1 we saw that Brezhnev happened. Will we have Gorbachev ?

hektor · « **Reply #202 on:** 12/26/2019 03:29 pm »

For season 2 ?

RGNASA · « **Reply #203 on:** 12/26/2019 09:10 pm »

I think that it would be interesting to see what impact a continuing space race would have on John Glenn's 1984 bid for the presidency.

libra · « **Reply #204 on:** 12/27/2019 04:28 am »

Well OTL he very nearly was Carter VP in place of Mondale - imagine, the difference it would have made for the space program. From a nay sayer to a hero.

His OTL 83-84 run for the presidency however fell flat even with The Right Stuff as... booster. (lame pun assumed, 2.0)

hektor · « **Reply #205 on:** 12/27/2019 07:55 am »

I think it would be interesting to have him as president. First he has already appeared in the season 1 (played by Matt Battaglia), and it was not nice. Indeed he is one of the only non fictional characters who is not presented under a favorable light. So being played by an actor he could have a more active role in the series than with reusing archival pictures like for Nixon and Ted Kennedy.

Second to reference STS-95 there could be a POTUS goes to space episode which could be interesting.

sanman · « **Reply #206 on:** 12/29/2019 12:18 am »

Maybe I'm speaking prematurely and inaccurately, but it seems like there is no Space Shuttle in this alternate timeline.

But that then raises the question of what it is that's there instead of the US Space Shuttle program. So far, we can see that Sea Dragon exists, along with space-based nuclear reactors, but what else is there?

Will they take the leap to nuclear-propulsion, and as-yet unachieved technologies like fusion, etc?
ie. how long until they go full-on sci-fi in their technologies, given the pace of progress on this show (15 years in 1 TV season) which has already been pre-plotted to last 7 seasons?

JAFO · « **Reply #207 on:** 12/29/2019 05:58 am »

Quote from: sanman on 12/29/2019 12:18 am

Maybe I'm speaking prematurely and inaccurately, but it seems like there is no Space Shuttle in this alternate timeline.

But that then raises the question of what it is that's there instead of the US Space Shuttle program. So far, we can see that Sea Dragon exists, along with space-based nuclear reactors, but what else is there?

Will they take the leap to nuclear-propulsion, and as-yet unachieved technologies like fusion, etc?
ie. how long until they go full-on sci-fi in their technologies, given the pace of progress on this show (15 years in 1 TV season) which has already been pre-plotted to last 7 seasons?

Maybe they could zig instead of zag and build the small shuttle for crew rotation to a space station instead of the big one HR Haldeman forced on NASA?

Ronpur50 · « **Reply #208 on:** 01/02/2020 04:23 pm »

I have enjoyed this show quite a lot. The characters have grown on me. I find it kind of interesting that the only real astronaut around now is Buzz Aldrin.

Technology has changed quite a lot with the continued expansion of Apollo. The LSAM obviously. The Titan III that was shown launched was one that did not launch in this timeline until many years later. Even an improved, digital DSKY as early as Apollo 15. Apollo 15 flew in a lunar polar orbit and had real-time SIM data transmissions! The CSM was shown to have an upgraded cockpit. And I assume, with the planned use of water for fuel generation, meant that the service module would have changed to LOX/hydrogen as well.

They don't spend much time on explaining these tech upgrades. Just showing how they change the missions and equipment.

Little things like the different NASA logos and different layouts of Eagle help show this is a very different reality.

I had read an interview with Ron Moore saying how season 2 would show how 10 years will have change everything. I can't wait.

As a bonus, here is a Apollo 15 Launch Pass I made up using a screen capture of the crew patch, and based on the real pass and what they wore in the episode. And the Alt-NASA Worm.

tea monster · « **Reply #209 on:** 01/03/2020 01:39 am »

That Russian is staring at the American moonbase for a while there. What did he do while he was alone there?

If you have the fall of Russia in the TV series then we remove any threat-based motivation to have a 'real' space program. If the 'beat the Ruskies' drive evaporates then we revert to modern times, which involves waiting large chunks of a Century for either Elon or Jeff to do something with the moon or Mars.

It's interesting to see how they get on with the big dumb booster concept. It should be a lot cheaper than Saturn.

One thing I said in another thread was that it would be interesting to posit that the Space Shuttle was manufactured as originally intended and actually fulfilled it's mission directive to be a cheap, safe and reliable space truck. That would shake things up for sure!

joseph.a.navin · « **Reply #210 on:** 01/05/2020 04:13 am »

I wish in season 2 they have some sort of Vandenberg USAF involvement either an 80's version of MOL or the DoD Shuttle plans from SLC-6. But, I also wish they would do an Apollo Venus sort of mission or other Apollo applications program concepts.

Star One · « **Reply #211 on:** 01/08/2020 03:02 pm »

I’ve got a free subscription to Apple TV+ but I can only see the app for my phone, is there no way of getting the app for smart televisions or on the Playstation as I don’t really want to watch this on a mobile screen?

Dr. Strangelove · « **Reply #212 on:** 01/08/2020 04:08 pm »

Goto tv.apple.com
Login with your AppleID and watch on any device you want. Most have built in browsers these days. Or play it on a laptop and hook it up to your TV with HDMI. Not the optimal experience but works well enough.

Star One · « **Reply #213 on:** 01/08/2020 04:56 pm »

Quote from: Dr. Strangelove on 01/08/2020 04:08 pm

Goto tv.apple.com
Login with your AppleID and watch on any device you want. Most have built in browsers these days. Or play it on a laptop and hook it up to your TV with HDMI. Not the optimal experience but works well enough.

Thank you.

QuantumG · « **Reply #214 on:** 01/08/2020 09:50 pm »

Quote from: Nibb31 on 12/20/2019 09:16 pm

It still doesn't make sense. Instead of throwing the fuel canisters over to refuel the CSM (which really wouldn't have been possible in real life) they could have thrown a tether and EVA'd Ellen and Deke (nobody except Ellen knew he was wounded at this point) over to the LSAM since they were abandoning the expended CSM anyway.

Huh? Deke was in bad shape from Earth orbit. He wasn't EVAing anywhere. If I was stranded on the Moon I wouldn't be throwing away a screwdriver, let alone a CSM.

What makes you think they couldn't refuel it?

This is show is full of throwaway lines that hand-wave away a lot of silly stuff - it's drama, not science, after all - but transferring some N2O4 to replenish the ACS of the command module seems like a reasonable idea. That's assuming the CM still had MMH in the tanks. Putting Aerozine 50 into a MMH tank is probably fine too. They lampshade the problem by having the backroom folks say they'll have to work up a procedure - Apollo 13 style. Seems like the writers thought through the technical issues - and that's all we can really ask for.

We don't get to see how Ed gets back to Earth, but I know how I'd write it.

sanman · « **Reply #215 on:** 01/09/2020 05:50 pm »

So I'm wondering if Korolev is alive in this alternate timeline. If so, could we see Korolev meeting Von Braun?

Having killed off Gene Krantz and Deke Slayton, it seems like Von Braun would logically be next on the story's hit list of famous people to eliminate.

Since launch vehicles are central features of the storyline, will Sea Dragon be a recurrent launch vehicle in the new season? And if so, will Aerojet's Robert Truax be mentioned even in passing? Will they only carry famous names from Apollo into the 1980s, or will we see the likes of Sally Ride and other astronauts from what would have otherwise been the Space Shuttle era?

The news report at the end stated the reactor was meant for the "Jamestown colony," which says that it's been enlarged from the small base module. I wonder if the Soviets have similarly kept pace with their own expanded base.

mme · « **Reply #216 on:** 01/09/2020 11:08 pm »

Quote from: sanman on 01/09/2020 05:50 pm

So I'm wondering if Korolev is alive in this alternate timeline. If so, could we see Korolev meeting Von Braun?

Having killed off Gene Krantz and Deke Slayton, it seems like Von Braun would logically be next on the story's hit list of famous people to eliminate.

Since launch vehicles are central features of the storyline, will Sea Dragon be a recurrent launch vehicle in the new season? And if so, will Aerojet's Robert Truax be mentioned even in passing? Will they only carry famous names from Apollo into the 1980s, or will we see the likes of Sally Ride and other astronauts from what would have otherwise been the Space Shuttle era?

The news report at the end stated the reactor was meant for the "Jamestown colony," which says that it's been enlarged from the small base module. I wonder if the Soviets have similarly kept pace with their own expanded base.

I think the writers used historical people to sort of "anchor" the story for us but I believe they killed them off/wrote them out to reduce the confusion with reality and to open up the possibilities moving forward as the timelines continue to diverge. I saw an interview where the writers thought about killing Deke off sooner but they loved the fact that he assigned himself a flight in the real world so they wanted to give him that flight. Von Braun died in 1977 and I think they will keep it that way. My guess is that moving forward they may include historical people but only as "touchstones," not major characters.

As for Korolev, the writers have hinted he lived and that is part of how the Russians made it to the Moon. But next season opens in 1983 which would make him 76 years old if he's still alive in the timeline. Given the shows' US centric perspective, focus on the astronauts and the impacts on society as a whole - I doubt we'll ever meet Korolev.

sanman · « **Reply #217 on:** 01/10/2020 09:57 pm »

Given the significant time jumps in this show, I wonder what effect that will have on the cast of characters?

For example, isn't the young girl Aleida going to be in university by the 1980s timeline? She'd also look significantly older than before.

Now that Jamestown is a colony, it'll be interesting to see just how big it will be, and what kind of new look it will have.

Obviously, the show is supposed to chronicle humanity's journey outward and not just stay in a static place, and that progress can only be driven by new discoveries and developments which propel humanity farther out (such as the discovery of lunar water in earlier episodes). So I wonder what these new discoveries/developments are likely to be?

cebri · « **Reply #218 on:** 02/05/2020 10:42 am »

Good show overall.

[spoiler]
In the last episode, when Ed took off and the Russian cosmonaut was standing right by, I could not stop thinking about all that Moon dust ripping holes in his suit.
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sanman · « **Reply #219 on:** 02/08/2020 05:28 pm »

You mean moondust can go projectile in the lunar vacuum? Would that also be the case on Mars, where there's slightly more atmosphere?

And yet you'd think that it mostly wouldn't be a direct transfer of exhaust kinetics, and that most of that would be bounced off the ground.