For All Mankind

[woods170]

Personally I hate alternate reality series because there are idi*ts out there who can't tell reality apart from alternate reality.
 

[Star One]

Personally I hate alternate reality series because there are idi*ts out there who can't tell reality apart from alternate reality.

I don’t think that’s much of an argument against them as there are plenty of idiots in lots of things, and you can’t keep not doing things like this because there are idiots.

[FutureSpaceTourist]

To be honest I’d rather people thought the Soviets and (presumably) then the US landed on the moon instead of that no-one did!

I’m certainly interested in watching this. I hope it’s both good and successful.

[zack]

Looks like Apple has released a new trailer for the show.


Rather interested how it all plays out, looks rather interesting so far.

I do wonder whats going on in that scene, stranded crew?

[mme]

Looks like Apple has released a new trailer for the show.


Rather interested how it all plays out, looks rather interesting so far.

I do wonder whats going on in that scene, stranded crew?

Spaceflight and Aerosmith's "Dream On"? Be still my beating heart. Griffin and Reisman are advisors on the show. I think that the Soviets beating the US to the Moon is a clever premise to imagine a universe where the space race never ended. In my opinion the whole point of science fiction is to explore "what ifs" so I have no issue with alternative histories as long as the story is entertaining.

[mme]

For All Mankind — Remembering Apollo 11 trailer



I'm excited.

[mme]

Why would the Soviets beat us to the moon? That was the space race and we won. Continuing the space race would be space stations and shuttles.

The shuttle was the result of the space race being over. If the space race continued Nova class rockets and Mars or Venus would be next. If there was a shuttle, it would have had to keep evolving to compete with the soviet response.

[Oersted]

Looks like Apple has released a new trailer for the show.

How does Apple dare to only envision a female crew going to the Moon? - Where are the transgender LBTQIABCD-crew members? We cannot accept such a reductionist view of gender identity and yada yada yada yada...

(...I'll see myself out...)

[sanman]

So the Soviet moonlanding is happening roughly on the same date as the real world Apollo 11. I guess that means the show is going to be set in the 70s for the most part.
I'm assuming it that there won't be any references to real world iconic astronauts like Gargarin, Leonov, Armstrong, Aldrin, etc, etc, and that it will be a cast of entirely fictional characters.

[LM13]

So the Soviet moonlanding is happening roughly on the same date as the real world Apollo 11. I guess that means the show is going to be set in the 70s for the most part.
I'm assuming it that there won't be any references to real world iconic astronauts like Gargarin, Leonov, Armstrong, Aldrin, etc, etc, and that it will be a cast of entirely fictional characters.

If you look closely at the trailer, Leonov is named as the cosmonaut who first sets foot on the Moon. 

[sanman]

If you look closely at the trailer, Leonov is named as the cosmonaut who first sets foot on the Moon.

Ah, ok - so I wonder if Alexei Leonov then becomes an actual character portrayed in the show?
Based on Moore's previous BSG work, he'll probably want to show both sides of the space race.

I wonder if the Soviet N-1 launchpad disaster would instead be switched to an American disaster (worse than Apollo1/Grissom-Chaffee-White)
That could provide an additional rationale for the change in the US flight crew roster

Ah - so it's "the Man in The (Very) High Castle"...

The (Wo)Man in the High Capsule   

[Lunadyne]

Thought this might be interesting, from back in 2010:

[JohnF]

Absurd baloney, typical liberal Hollywood junk, much rather see a flick where the Apollo program didn't end in in 75', instead seeing upgrades to the Saturn V, equipment development/evolution testing/success failure, going to Mars first by say 1985, yeah yeah I know this Moore movie is fantasy, Thank God, sorry but we won the space race, we did get to the moon first.

[tyrred]

Yes, "we" did. 
And yes, "we" can.
For all mankind.  Is this the point?
I'd like to see the alternatives.  History isn't fate, things could have gone differently.
Where can I watch besides Apple TV + Ultra?

[Star One]

Interview with Ronald D. Moore as the show launches:

https://m.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Why-Ronald-D-Moore-Created-Alternate-History-in-14800704.php

[Ronpur50]

Absurd baloney, typical liberal Hollywood junk, much rather see a flick where the Apollo program didn't end in in 75', instead seeing upgrades to the Saturn V, equipment development/evolution testing/success failure, going to Mars first by say 1985, yeah yeah I know this Moore movie is fantasy, Thank God, sorry but we won the space race, we did get to the moon first.

Like an adaptation of Stephen Baxter's "Voyage" novel?

[Steve G]

As a writer of science fiction, to those that oppose the series, you don't have to watch it and spare your righteous comments. Alternative history is an extremely popular medium and it invokes thought. There are so many posts on these forums that involve "what if" and that's a very healthy exercise, so I know many of our posters will be watching. What if Vostok had launched two years earlier? What if Apollo 1 had been successful? I can go on and on. I am looking forward to the series. If you don't like it, change the channel.

[Endeavour_01]

Note: Some spoilers ahead for the first three episodes

I saw the first three episodes yesterday. Liked it a lot and looking forward to what's coming next. I am a big fan of alternate history fiction, especially when it is based in plausibility, and this show has done a good job so far in the plausibility department.

SPOILERS and my thoughts on such are below:

Apollo 10's crew has been replaced with original viewpoint characters in this alternative reality. I understand why as they need characters they can mold but still a little miffed.

Alexei Leonov lands on the moon about a month before Apollo 11 in an LK lander. It is hinted in the episode that the N1 had a successful unmanned test in January of 69 and launched the manned lunar landing in June. In real history the N1 had a failed test launch in February of 69 and another failed launch in July so the timeline fits. Whoever researched this particular point did their homework.

Apollo 11 crew is unchanged. Seem to be portrayed mostly in-line with their real life counterparts (although there is one instance that may be a stretch that I'll discuss below).

The alternate reality version of Gene Kranz makes a great speech before Apollo 11 launches with some verbiage from real life thrown in at particular moments.

Apollo 11 launches at the same time as in our timeline and makes a rough landing on the lunar surface. It appears for a while that Neil and Buzz did not survive (communications are down) and Nixon prepares to give the, "In event of Moon Disaster" speech. Collins proclaims that he isn't coming back by himself (the stretch mentioned above) and while Houston is arguing with him about it they regain contact with Eagle.

Other plot points: After 11 comes home it becomes a "Race for the Base" with the rest of the Apollo missions focused on scouting locations. Skylab is repurposed as Moonlab, which seems implausible. If I recall correctly proposed lunar bases in AAP were CSM derived.

The Soviets land a woman on the moon and Nixon authorizes the formation of a female astronaut corps. "Mercury 13" are mentioned. Von Braun is forced out of the program as a scapegoat for NASA not landing first.

They packed a good amount of info in the first three eps. The CGI and scenes inside the Apollo hardware are good. I really liked the actor they got to play Deke Slayton. I think they nailed the political and press reaction to a Russian landing. Overall I think the show did a good job.

Personally I hate alternate reality series because there are idi*ts out there who can't tell reality apart from alternate reality.

I don’t think that’s much of an argument against them as there are plenty of idiots in lots of things, and you can’t keep not doing things like this because there are idiots.

Agreed. If people are stupid enough that watching this tv show will confuse them on who landed on the moon first then they probably think Jurassic Park is a real place with real dinosaurs. We shouldn't kowtow to idiots.

[Orbiter]

I dislike the plot point that Collins would have objected to leaving alone in the event Eagle had crashed. IIRC, in his book "Carrying the Fire" he made it pretty clear that he was coming home alone if Eagle didn't make it.

[Star One]

Note: Some spoilers ahead for the first three episodes

I saw the first three episodes yesterday. Liked it a lot and looking forward to what's coming next. I am a big fan of alternate history fiction, especially when it is based in plausibility, and this show has done a good job so far in the plausibility department.

SPOILERS and my thoughts on such are below:

Apollo 10's crew has been replaced with original viewpoint characters in this alternative reality. I understand why as they need characters they can mold but still a little miffed.

Alexei Leonov lands on the moon about a month before Apollo 11 in an LK lander. It is hinted in the episode that the N1 had a successful unmanned test in January of 69 and launched the manned lunar landing in June. In real history the N1 had a failed test launch in February of 69 and another failed launch in July so the timeline fits. Whoever researched this particular point did their homework.

Apollo 11 crew is unchanged. Seem to be portrayed mostly in-line with their real life counterparts (although there is one instance that may be a stretch that I'll discuss below).

The alternate reality version of Gene Kranz makes a great speech before Apollo 11 launches with some verbiage from real life thrown in at particular moments.

Apollo 11 launches at the same time as in our timeline and makes a rough landing on the lunar surface. It appears for a while that Neil and Buzz did not survive (communications are down) and Nixon prepares to give the, "In event of Moon Disaster" speech. Collins proclaims that he isn't coming back by himself (the stretch mentioned above) and while Houston is arguing with him about it they regain contact with Eagle.

Other plot points: After 11 comes home it becomes a "Race for the Base" with the rest of the Apollo missions focused on scouting locations. Skylab is repurposed as Moonlab, which seems implausible. If I recall correctly proposed lunar bases in AAP were CSM derived.

The Soviets land a woman on the moon and Nixon authorizes the formation of a female astronaut corps. "Mercury 13" are mentioned. Von Braun is forced out of the program as a scapegoat for NASA not landing first.

They packed a good amount of info in the first three eps. The CGI and scenes inside the Apollo hardware are good. I really liked the actor they got to play Deke Slayton. I think they nailed the political and press reaction to a Russian landing. Overall I think the show did a good job.

Personally I hate alternate reality series because there are idi*ts out there who can't tell reality apart from alternate reality.

I don’t think that’s much of an argument against them as there are plenty of idiots in lots of things, and you can’t keep not doing things like this because there are idiots.

Agreed. If people are stupid enough that watching this tv show will confuse them on who landed on the moon first then they probably think Jurassic Park is a real place with real dinosaurs. We shouldn't kowtow to idiots.

What are the production values like, is it a show that looks like it has had money spent on it?

Moore burnt a lot of his good capital with me that he’d built up with BSG with the poor last season of that show in my view, especially when it started hitting the viewer over the head with the ‘religious’ content.