Author Topic: For All Mankind (Read 227806 times)

Jarnis · « **Reply #160 on:** 12/16/2019 04:53 am »

You missing that the hardware they are using for moon landings is no longer "stock LEM" - they clearly have 3-person lander that is reusable (see previous episodes, 3 people went up to orbit, 2 went home, 1 landed back to the base). Which also suggests that no LEM is being carried. Not sure what that space is used for - Some supplies that gets transferred to the re-usable "super LEM"?

Actually bit of annoyance I have with the series - they happily skip over things that might have been worth showing or explaining a bit more as technology keeps diverging from original timeline. On one hand I get it why they do it and it gives fertile ground for speculation out of breadcrumbs that are shown, on the other hand the show does make it clear enough that someone behind the scenes has spent considerable time thinking about these things.

dglow · « **Reply #161 on:** 12/16/2019 05:12 am »

Quote from: sanman on 12/16/2019 04:23 am

Where is Apollo 24 now going though? Is it on some uncontrolled burn? Will Ellen-Deke-Harry make it to the Moon?

Hm, did I read it wrong? It looked to me like Harry tethered into the exhaust of the freshly-lit J-2.

hektor · « **Reply #162 on:** 12/16/2019 12:56 pm »

I confirm that I think Harry was incinerated by the J-2. Also Deke was also doing EVA at time of J-2 ignition (he was at the level of the CM of Apollo 24 and I wonder btw what he was doing there) so let's hope the tether of Apollo 24 was strong.

hektor · « **Reply #163 on:** 12/16/2019 02:35 pm »

By the way what was the Plan for Baldwin and Apollo 24 ? Once the crew of Apollo 24 was with Baldwin on the Moon, who was supposed to go back ? Baldwin alone ? Baldwin with an Apollo 24 crew member ?

sanman · « **Reply #164 on:** 12/16/2019 08:40 pm »

Ohh, that's right - Harry got swung into the fiery exhaust - so that was likely the end of him. And was Deke outside or inside?

So if they're doing a (premature) Trans-Lunar Injection burn, then perhaps they'd have the option of looping around the Moon for free-return flight like (real-world) Apollo 13, or else they try to carry out their planned mission of relieving/retrieving Bauer.

If they only have 2 people left on Apollo 24, and Bauer is coming up to meet them in his LSM, then perhaps he could return to Earth alone, while Ellen & Deke travel down to the Jamestown with supplies. And their Soviet guest makes 3 - until more come looking for him.

ncb1397 · « **Reply #165 on:** 12/16/2019 08:46 pm »

Quote from: sanman on 12/16/2019 08:40 pm

So if they're doing a (premature) Trans-Lunar Injection burn, then perhaps they'd have the option of looping around the Moon for free-return flight like (real-world) Apollo 13, or else they try to carry out their planned mission of relieving/retrieving Bauer.

They should do a 24/For all Mankind cross-over. Part of the normal transition from fighting the Russians to fighting terrorists in the 90s on.

hektor · « **Reply #166 on:** 12/16/2019 11:32 pm »

If they start the S-IVB at a random point of Earth orbit what was the probability they would go in the direction of the Moon, even missing it by a few thousand miles ?

dglow · « **Reply #167 on:** 12/17/2019 04:47 am »

Quote from: hektor on 12/16/2019 11:32 pm

If they start the S-IVB at a random point of Earth orbit what was the probability they would go in the direction of the Moon, even missing it by a few thousand miles ?

IIRC one of the displays in mission control showed their position at the time of the accident as within a TLI window.

hektor · « **Reply #168 on:** 12/17/2019 08:04 am »

Oh clever. You could even assume that was one of the factors why the S-IVB started.

mvdlist · « **Reply #169 on:** 12/17/2019 08:38 am »

Correct.

With the new unit going through its self-test, one can imagine a scenario the engine would fire when Apollo-24 computer was still in TLI-mode and all required parameters were met (ie. spacecraft within the TLI window of its orbit).

The 1000 miles deviation could then be explained by Apollo 24 dragging 25 along during the initial part of the burn before the tether was cut.

If I would to guess for the next episode; Apollo-24 is not on a free-return trajectory and either in a very wide orbit around the Earth or, even worse, in a heliocentric orbit!

hektor · « **Reply #170 on:** 12/17/2019 08:46 am »

Well I hope that they have not decided to kill Ellen and Deke ; they have introduced the LSAM in Episode 8 so I hope they can use it for something. Given the situation help from Soviet Union does not seem in the cards.

Any idea what LSAM stands for by the way ?

ncb1397 · « **Reply #171 on:** 12/17/2019 08:56 am »

Quote from: hektor on 12/17/2019 08:46 am

Well I hope that they have not decided to kill Ellen and Deke ; they have introduced the LSAM in Episode 8 so I hope they can use it for something. Given the situation help from Soviet Union does not seem in the cards.

Any idea what LSAM stands for by the way ?

For what it is worth, Altair was known as the LSAM or Lunar Surface Access Module.

mvdlist · « **Reply #172 on:** 12/17/2019 09:48 am »

Maybe a rescue mission to save the remaining crewmembers of Apollo-24 from their very high Earth orbit or heliocentric orbit?

That could be the For All Mankind's equivalent to the real-world Apollo-13 mission. Such a rescue mission could also be the starting point for beyond the Moon exploration...

libra · « **Reply #173 on:** 12/17/2019 12:52 pm »

Quote from: ncb1397 on 12/16/2019 08:46 pm

Quote from: sanman on 12/16/2019 08:40 pm
So if they're doing a (premature) Trans-Lunar Injection burn, then perhaps they'd have the option of looping around the Moon for free-return flight like (real-world) Apollo 13, or else they try to carry out their planned mission of relieving/retrieving Bauer.

They should do a 24/For all Mankind cross-over. Part of the normal transition from fighting the Russians to fighting terrorists in the 90s on.

ROTFL

And of course in 24 Season 5 the evil president looked like a clone of Nixon...

"For all president men kind", anybody ?
(Gregory Itzin = Charles Logan = Nixon lookalike).

Orbiter · « **Reply #174 on:** 12/18/2019 10:32 pm »

Quote from: hektor on 12/17/2019 08:46 am

Well I hope that they have not decided to kill Ellen and Deke ; they have introduced the LSAM in Episode 8 so I hope they can use it for something. Given the situation help from Soviet Union does not seem in the cards.

Any idea what LSAM stands for by the way ?

Poor Deke, first mission after all those years only for everything to go so horribly wrong.

zack · « **Reply #175 on:** 12/20/2019 04:04 pm »

After all the Starliner excitement today, the season finale sure kept the action going.

Another great episode, and be sure to watch the after credit scene

Nibb31 · « **Reply #176 on:** 12/20/2019 05:33 pm »

I'm afraid it really jumped the shark in the finale.

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I don't understand how Ed got home. Weren't the CSM tanks empty? There was no way those small tanks that Ed threw over to Ellen were large enough to do the LOI burn, let alone return to Earth afterwards. That made no sense.

The plan should have been to dock the LSAM to the CSM, then transfer Deke and Ellen to the LSAM, ditch the CSM, and return to Jamestown to wait for the next ship.
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wenderro · « **Reply #177 on:** 12/20/2019 06:43 pm »

Well, at least the bonus scene was something, do not miss it!

sanman · « **Reply #178 on:** 12/20/2019 07:29 pm »

[spoilers]OMG - Deke Slayton dies - does that mean Ed Baldwin would fill his job role?

We're now up to 1983, and they haven't revealed who the US President is, but the previous mention of what would have been Ronald Reagan's 1976 election campaign may have foreshadowed it. Presumably there was no Carter presidency.

Sea Dragon! This really is alternate history. ("So long, and sorry about all the fish")
So Jamestown base gets an expansion, but does the orbital hardware get an upgrade as well?

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Markstark · « **Reply #179 on:** 12/20/2019 08:08 pm »

I loved it! Yes there were some silly parts. But excellent overall