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Re: For All Mankind
« Reply #120 on: 11/24/2019 06:14 pm »
!spoilers below!

I didn't catch the whole Apollo 23 crew but the CDR is Michael Collins (tidbit: had Collins not left NASA he probably would have commanded Apollo 17) to resupply the Jamestown base.

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I think I saw an Asian American astronaut. Harrison Liu already ?

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Re: For All Mankind
« Reply #121 on: 11/24/2019 07:49 pm »
No sign of an Apollo / Saturn replacement yet. Will we go to Apollo 42 or more ?

The Saturn-V seems to be grounded due to what happened to Apollo 23. Do those unmanned Titan resupply launches count as Apollo flights?

So I was reading that the real life Donald 'Deke' Slayton did in fact have a heart condition, but did later go to space in 1975 for the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deke_Slayton

Did he likewise get to assign himself in real life?

Since Ted Kennedy has become president instead of Richard Nixon, then does that mean no US Space Shuttle program happens? I'd always thought that Nixon was instrumental in starting up the Space Shuttle.

https://history.nasa.gov/stsnixon.htm

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« Reply #122 on: 11/24/2019 08:54 pm »
Yes, Slayton assigned himself to ASTP.
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Re: For All Mankind
« Reply #123 on: 11/24/2019 10:26 pm »
Since Nixon is no longer in the Oval Office to pursue detente, then maybe ASTP doesn't happen. Perhaps the show will have Deke Slayton meet the Soviets on the Moon instead of in orbit.

The Soviet moonbase is called "Zvesda", and it looks to be based on a real life Soviet moonbase concept of the same name that was part of their planned lunar exploration program:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zvezda_(moonbase)



That's a pretty big base - at least compared to the Jamestown.

Here it says it would have been crewed by 6 cosmonauts.

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/lunar_base.html


I wonder if it's buried? [spoiler]In that final scene at the end of episode 6, Gordo just sees that flashing red light on what looks to be a ridge or bulge on the horizon.[/spoiler]

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Re: For All Mankind
« Reply #124 on: 11/25/2019 11:58 am »
I'm betting that the episode names hint to what's coming next:
- A first (probably hostile) encounter with the Russians ("Hi Bob") followed by
- An accident happening on one of the Moon bases ("Rupture") and
- A rescue operation being organized by the other camp ("Dangerous Liaisons") ending up with
- A joint base ("City Upon a Hill").

The resulting cooperation would be parallel to the 'detente' that led up to ASTP.

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Re: For All Mankind
« Reply #125 on: 11/25/2019 03:33 pm »
Isn't that what Nixon sort of did with the Space Shuttle? And yet it helped to build up the aerospace industry in his home state of California.
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Quote from: Bill Anders via Seattle Times
Anders, still mulling both approaches, vividly recalls a call from H.R. “Bob” Haldeman, Nixon’s chief of staff, bluntly asking which option would provide more aerospace jobs in California. When he gave the obvious answer — the big shuttle — that was it. Click, decision made.
The shuttle program was launched, the jobs were secured and NASA embarked on what Anders calls a four-decade-long detour. The shuttle was a spectacular vehicle, with an equally spectacular price tag: It wound up increasing the cost of spaceflight tenfold. “That is a 100-fold error,” Anders says, with clear disgust.
https://www.seattletimes.com/pacific-nw-magazine/with-a-view-from-beyond-the-moon-an-astronaut-talks-religion-politics-and-possibilities/

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Re: For All Mankind
« Reply #126 on: 11/25/2019 04:59 pm »
The Jamestown design is interesting

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The propellant tanks look a bit small. Maybe it has additional tanks on the inside that can be reused to store the harvested water.

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Garret Reismann says those are supposed to be the fuel tanks, but I did the math (based on the door size) and assuming symmetry those tanks are simply not enough to go from lunar orbit to the surface.

If they were hydrolox engines and the base was loaded up wet workshop style it would work.

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Re: For All Mankind
« Reply #127 on: 11/26/2019 04:11 am »
The Jamestown design is interesting

[spoiler]

The propellant tanks look a bit small. Maybe it has additional tanks on the inside that can be reused to store the harvested water.

[/spoiler]

Garret Reismann says those are supposed to be the fuel tanks, but I did the math (based on the door size) and assuming symmetry those tanks are simply not enough to go from lunar orbit to the surface.

If they were hydrolox engines and the base was loaded up wet workshop style it would work.

It would also be feasible with a crasher stage or expendable tanks. But while it is fun to speculate, I don't think the producers and effects people quite go into the nitty gritty details like some of us do. It does look good, but they seem to be unwilling to put the time into showing upgraded Saturn V launch vehicles that would be necessary for the Jamestown as shown. Prove me wrong, show!  8)
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Re: For All Mankind
« Reply #128 on: 11/26/2019 06:53 am »
Actually, I'm even more curious about the Titan-launched cargo lander and what its payload to the lunar surface would be...

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« Reply #129 on: 11/26/2019 09:35 am »
Actually, I'm even more curious about the Titan-launched cargo lander and what its payload to the lunar surface would be...

Could it be something like a viking lander...?

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« Reply #130 on: 11/26/2019 12:30 pm »
Yes, maybe a Viking-derived lander on something like a Titan IIIC-Centaur could deliver 1 metric ton of supplies.

That would be expensive!
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Re: For All Mankind
« Reply #131 on: 11/27/2019 05:17 am »
Yes, maybe a Viking-derived lander on something like a Titan IIIC-Centaur could deliver 1 metric ton of supplies.

That would be expensive!

Well the idea that the US would maintain peak Apollo/Saturn levels of spending (and far exceed it to support a lunar base) is after all the most outlandish sci-fi element in this alternate history. IMO. ;-)

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Re: For All Mankind
« Reply #132 on: 11/27/2019 05:25 am »
That Soviet Union does it is even more outlandish. If you think of the impact on the Soviet economy...

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Re: For All Mankind
« Reply #133 on: 11/27/2019 05:37 am »
Yes, maybe a Viking-derived lander on something like a Titan IIIC-Centaur could deliver 1 metric ton of supplies.

That would be expensive!

Well the idea that the US would maintain peak Apollo/Saturn levels of spending (and far exceed it to support a lunar base) is after all the most outlandish sci-fi element in this alternate history. IMO. ;-)

The show does somewhat explain this by having the Vietnam War end early (with it being explicitly stated that funding is redirected to NASA). Outlandish a bit? Sure, but not "alien space bat" level outlandish. ;-)
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Re: For All Mankind
« Reply #134 on: 11/28/2019 04:51 pm »
Looks like the turkey slaughtering ;D gave us the new episode early.

The concerns about the gravity situation on the moon were nicely addressed.
Also, i quite liked how they showed the psychological effects of being stuck on the moon.

Spoiler: I liked what Danielle did for Gordo, but I am not sure if it was the right thing to do. That might become an even bigger issue later on.

But the ending on that cliffhanger, eek.

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Re: For All Mankind
« Reply #135 on: 11/28/2019 05:16 pm »
How about that crazy uber-LEM?

Integrated ascent and descent stages? How are they refueling it, from lunar H2O? How does any of that work?

And why... just so Baldwin can see the other two off from LLO?

Does not compute.

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Re: For All Mankind
« Reply #136 on: 11/28/2019 05:38 pm »
Haha, yes. The LEM surely got some upgrades it seems.
Maybe it is a new hydrolox LEM, that they can refuel. There was a small solar cell setup seen on the moon (not that it would be big enough), so maybe...

But you know, it is a TV show, sometimes you have to make things a bit unrealistic for dramatic effect.

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Re: For All Mankind
« Reply #137 on: 11/28/2019 07:23 pm »
Yes, maybe a Viking-derived lander on something like a Titan IIIC-Centaur could deliver 1 metric ton of supplies.

That would be expensive!

Well the idea that the US would maintain peak Apollo/Saturn levels of spending (and far exceed it to support a lunar base) is after all the most outlandish sci-fi element in this alternate history. IMO. ;-)

The show does somewhat explain this by having the Vietnam War end early (with it being explicitly stated that funding is redirected to NASA). Outlandish a bit? Sure, but not "alien space bat" level outlandish. ;-)
I'm loving having a sci-fi show where the characters are humans that are human (I don't mean the species, I mean imperfect but for the most part decent. No super geniuses that magically know everything or insane villains pulling all the strings from their secret volcano. Just driven people trying to get through the day. A bit of political intrigue but not House of Cards in space.)
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Re: For All Mankind
« Reply #138 on: 11/28/2019 09:20 pm »
They've already started production on season 2 so there's hope!

‘For All Mankind’ Drama Renewed For Season 2 By Apple

https://twitter.com/krysmarshall/status/1185007034778836992

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I am over the moon about this!🚀🌙

https://deadline.com/2019/10/for-all-mankind-sonya-walger-krys-marshall-promoted-series-regulars-season-2-apple-drama-1202762115/

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Sonya Walger [Molly Cobb] and Krys Marshall [Danielle Poole] have been promoted to series regulars on the second season of For All Mankind

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« Reply #139 on: 11/29/2019 01:23 pm »
A "deep fake" video was recently created of US President Nixon's speech in the event of Apollo 11 mission failure.





https://www.axios.com/deepfake-richard-nixon-apollo-11-speech-50268e67-0188-4f03-8f78-9260303a855c.html


It would have been interesting if this could have been used in episode 1 of "For All Mankind", during that brief period when they thought the Eagle lander had crashed.

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