Author Topic: Atlas V N22 - Starliner CFT - CCSFS SLC-41 - 5 June 2024 14:52 UTC : UPDATES  (Read 319383 times)

Offline Chris Bergin

This thread is for the Starliner CFT launch.

As the NET May 1 launch date approached, we started a new thread for:

1. Updates about the CFT spacecraft;

2. Discussion about the CFT launch;

3. This thread will also become the mission thread, after separation from the LV:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=60593.0

The thread that you are now reading is now Updates Only for the CFT launch campaign.  The thread title is now edited to explicitly state this.

[edit: zubenelgenubi]



ULA with news on the LV (AV-082)

https://www.ulalaunch.com/missions/atlas-v-starliner-updates

https://twitter.com/ulalaunch/status/1118578404243247104

News articles:
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/tag/cst-100/
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/tag/starliner/

L2 Master Thread:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=29664.0
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Pictures from ULA’s flickr account. Based on ULA’s update it would seem that LV availability is not currently driving launch dates.

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Pictures from ULA’s flickr account. Based on ULA’s update it would seem that LV availability is not currently driving launch dates.

LV availability was never in doubt. The issue Boeing cited for OFT was pad availability.

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Pictures from ULA’s flickr account. Based on ULA’s update it would seem that LV availability is not currently driving launch dates.

LV availability was never in doubt. The issue Boeing cited for OFT was pad availability.

This.  LV availability was a misinterpretation of the statement by a small handful of people that somehow got morphed into a gospel-esque "truth".  Saying pad availability affects the launch date isn't casting aspersions on ULA, it's acknowledging that ULA has other customers with their own schedule needs, which might just override NASA's (hard as that may be for some people to believe).

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Pictures from ULA’s flickr account. Based on ULA’s update it would seem that LV availability is not currently driving launch dates.

LV availability was never in doubt. The issue Boeing cited for OFT was pad availability.

This.  LV availability was a misinterpretation of the statement by a small handful of people that somehow got morphed into a gospel-esque "truth".  Saying pad availability affects the launch date isn't casting aspersions on ULA, it's acknowledging that ULA has other customers with their own schedule needs, which might just override NASA's (hard as that may be for some people to believe).

Which leaves me wondering what happens when a NSS launch slides (through payload or LV delays) into the window ULA needs to stack and launch a planetary mission...? Is NASA able to pull rank if they can't get another window for years?

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Pictures from ULA’s flickr account. Based on ULA’s update it would seem that LV availability is not currently driving launch dates.

LV availability was never in doubt. The issue Boeing cited for OFT was pad availability.

...Which does not appear to be that constrained for the rest of the year. Or am I wrong? The July - November window looks wiiiiide open, for example. (Two Atlas V launches for CST-100 already penciled into the schedule here)

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Pictures from ULA’s flickr account. Based on ULA’s update it would seem that LV availability is not currently driving launch dates.

LV availability was never in doubt. The issue Boeing cited for OFT was pad availability.

This.  LV availability was a misinterpretation of the statement by a small handful of people that somehow got morphed into a gospel-esque "truth".  Saying pad availability affects the launch date isn't casting aspersions on ULA, it's acknowledging that ULA has other customers with their own schedule needs, which might just override NASA's (hard as that may be for some people to believe).

Which leaves me wondering what happens when a NSS launch slides (through payload or LV delays) into the window ULA needs to stack and launch a planetary mission...? Is NASA able to pull rank if they can't get another window for years?
Interplanetary gets priority over all else.  Plus, they usually know 3+ years out when than slot is required.  The rest are all worked out among OSL, LE, and NASA.  Even commercial missions, once they're on contract and have a slot, they can't be bumped.  If you can't meet your initial ILC, then yes, stuff can be worked out/negotiated, etc.  But if you (let's say OFT for example) keep slipping, you might just be out of luck if you then all of sudden want a specific launch period.   Contrary to popular (internet) belief, L-37 did not bump another launch provider out of their spot.  Same with L-71 and the range recently.   They had to find available range dates based on a SpaceX launch already scheduled.

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LE: Launch Enterprise 
https://www.losangeles.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Article/812286/launch-enterprise-directorate/
OSL: Office of Space Launch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Reconnaissance_Office

Office of Space Launch (OSL):

Responsible for all aspects of a satellite launch including launch vehicle hardware, launch services integration, mission assurance, operations, transportation, and mission safety; and,

OSL is NRO's launch representative with industry, the USAF, and NASA.
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Pictures from ULA’s flickr account. Based on ULA’s update it would seem that LV availability is not currently driving launch dates.

LV availability was never in doubt. The issue Boeing cited for OFT was pad availability.

This.  LV availability was a misinterpretation of the statement by a small handful of people that somehow got morphed into a gospel-esque "truth".  Saying pad availability affects the launch date isn't casting aspersions on ULA, it's acknowledging that ULA has other customers with their own schedule needs, which might just override NASA's (hard as that may be for some people to believe).

Which leaves me wondering what happens when a NSS launch slides (through payload or LV delays) into the window ULA needs to stack and launch a planetary mission...? Is NASA able to pull rank if they can't get another window for years?
Interplanetary gets priority over all else.  Plus, they usually know 3+ years out when than slot is required.  The rest are all worked out among OSL, LE, and NASA.  Even commercial missions, once they're on contract and have a slot, they can't be bumped.  If you can't meet your initial ILC, then yes, stuff can be worked out/negotiated, etc.  But if you (let's say OFT for example) keep slipping, you might just be out of luck if you then all of sudden want a specific launch period.   Contrary to popular (internet) belief, L-37 did not bump another launch provider out of their spot.  Same with L-71 and the range recently.   They had to find available range dates based on a SpaceX launch already scheduled.

Can a following mission be bumped if the vehicle is already stacked but something delays the payload? Not bumped on the range, but on the pad. It's not like ULA will stand down one Atlas to stack and launch another off the same pad... right?

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https://twitter.com/ulalaunch/status/1131576180942016514

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The #AtlasV @Commercial_Crew first stage booster for the #Starliner is loading into the Mariner for the journey to Cape Canaveral, Florida. @BoeingSpace

https://twitter.com/ulalaunch/status/1131572098789519362

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The #AtlasV Dual Engine Centaur is beginning the load in process into the Mariner, a 312-foot long ship that will navigate waters heading to Cape Canaveral en route for the @BoeingSpace #Starliner Crew Flight Test. @Astro_Ferg @AstroDuke @AstroIronMike
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After leaving Decatur AL on May 23 the @ulalaunch #DeltaMariner arrived in Port this morning just before 7am. It is carrying the Atlas V rocket that will help put a man back in space. @torybruno @ULANavy #nasa #space @nextspaceflight @SpaceXUpdates

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twitter.com/mhaskellphoto/status/1136262245959241728

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The crewed @ulalaunch Atlas booster is about to be rolled off the Delta Mariner and head onto the Cape! @NASASpaceflight #ULA

https://twitter.com/mhaskellphoto/status/1136279874690256897

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Its an Atlas!

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https://twitter.com/ulalaunch/status/1136279190033063936

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The first #AtlasV #Starliner booster that will fly a crew has emerged from the Mariner cargo ship at Cape Canaveral today to write a new chapter in human spaceflight history! @BoeingSpace @Commercial_Crew
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As we don’t have a general Atlas V N22 thread, posting on first crewed flight thread:



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Go Atlas! Go Starliner! Watch the latest episode when we learn about the Emergency Detection System - unique technology developed for the Atlas V Starliner designed to protect the crew and monitor the health of the rocket.

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Belated cross-post:
https://twitter.com/ChrisG_NSF/status/1141738478390194177

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Planning launch for 30 November; Dock 1 Dec.; Return to Earth May 2020.
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Cross-post re: Starliner CFT:
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[C]rew flight test “when NASA’s ready.”

“We can say we’re ready but until NASA’s ready to fly we can’t.”
https://twitter.com/CatHofacker/status/1163469452446490624
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Belated cross-post re: CFT mission patch:
First look at the Starliner Orbital Flight Test, Pad Abort Test and Crew Flight Test insignia:

Boeing astronaut reveals mission patches for Starliner flight tests
http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-081919a-boeing-starliner-crew-mission-patch.html
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https://twitter.com/emrekelly/status/1178998081959931904

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Good mornin’ from LC-41. Bit windy out here.

https://twitter.com/emrekelly/status/1179006939214340096

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Welcome to @ulalaunch’s “white room” atop the crew tower at LC-41. Boeing’s Starliner will fit right behind Dane Drefke.

https://twitter.com/emrekelly/status/1179001694878932993

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Yowza. Beautiful view of @ulalaunch’s emergency egress system and overall infrastructure of LC-41’s crew tower. Next up: “white room” for astronauts.


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« Last Edit: 12/19/2019 04:06 pm by jacqmans »
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