And another cockpit photo.
Almost certainly a setup pilots will generally be happier with. But I can't help but think that Crew Dragon's approach is going to be more like the way forward for 21st century spacecraft.
And another cockpit photo.
There is one switch/handle with a very prominent large red protector around it. It looks like it's in a very awkward position; easy to hit with a knee.
Starline-VR: Boeing astronaut training in virtual reality
This is a video of the VR representation of the controls in the Starliner.
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There is one switch/handle with a very prominent large red protector around it. It looks like it's in a very awkward position; easy to hit with a knee.
Well, one hopes the reason for the protector is to make sure hard knocks don't activate it by accident. But if that's the idea, it might be better to just move the thing.
(Not the first time this sort of thing was an issue, though. For Apollo 11, a pocket that they'd added to Armstrong's suit for lunar rock samples was close enough to snagging the abort handle that the astronauts were worried about accidents:
https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11tcdb.html)
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There is one switch/handle with a very prominent large red protector around it. It looks like it's in a very awkward position; easy to hit with a knee.
That is the ascent abort handle and that is exactly why the red rings is around it.
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Certainly there’s no quick or easy change of crews between the capsules, they could hardly be any more different. A lot of training time to switch.
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Certainly there’s no quick or easy change of crews between the capsules, they could hardly be any more different. A lot of training time to switch.
Not nearly as much as switching between shuttle and Soyuz.
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Certainly there’s no quick or easy change of crews between the capsules, they could hardly be any more different. A lot of training time to switch.
Not nearly as much as switching between shuttle and Soyuz.
Didn't anyone going up on the Shuttle have to be trained to get back on Soyuz anyway?
John
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Certainly there’s no quick or easy change of crews between the capsules, they could hardly be any more different. A lot of training time to switch.
Not nearly as much as switching between shuttle and Soyuz.
Didn't anyone going up on the Shuttle have to be trained to get back on Soyuz anyway?
John
No. You need custom seat liners and Sokol suits to use Soyuz. Visiting Shuttle crews to ISS did not need Soyuz training, because they would not have been able to use it. (except in an extreme emergency)
And another cockpit photo.
Almost certainly a setup pilots will generally be happier with. But I can't help but think that Crew Dragon's approach is going to be more like the way forward for 21st century spacecraft.
The Boeing 777X will have a touchscreen display interface, replacing the cursor control devices featured in the original 777 and the 787. Starliner is a throwback even by 1990s widebody airliner standards.The iPad electronic flight bag was love at first sight for pilots, and the touchscreen-ification of the cockpit became inevitable much quicker than most had anticipated.
No. You need custom seat liners and Sokol suits to use Soyuz. Visiting Shuttle crews to ISS did not need Soyuz training, because they would not have been able to use it. (except in an extreme emergency)
AFAIK Ken Bowersox and Donald Pettit flew to the ISS on STS-113 but had unexpectedly to come back on Soyuz TMA-1 because the shuttle was grounded after the Columbia accident, and they had never flown on any Soyuz before.
No. You need custom seat liners and Sokol suits to use Soyuz. Visiting Shuttle crews to ISS did not need Soyuz training, because they would not have been able to use it. (except in an extreme emergency)
AFAIK Ken Bowersox and Donald Pettit flew to the ISS on STS-113 but had unexpectedly to come back on Soyuz TMA-1 because the shuttle was grounded after the Columbia accident, and they had never flown on any Soyuz before.
Right, but as ISS crew members they had brought with them customized seat liners and Sokol suits. (since Soyuz was the emergecy escape), and had practiced Soyuz ops beforehand.
Up until commercial crew is available, all ISS expedition members were trained on Soyuz and capable of returning with it. Bob & Doug are now the first long term crew members where Soyuz is not the return option.
No. You need custom seat liners and Sokol suits to use Soyuz. Visiting Shuttle crews to ISS did not need Soyuz training, because they would not have been able to use it. (except in an extreme emergency)
AFAIK Ken Bowersox and Donald Pettit flew to the ISS on STS-113 but had unexpectedly to come back on Soyuz TMA-1 because the shuttle was grounded after the Columbia accident, and they had never flown on any Soyuz before.
Right, but as ISS crew members they had brought with them customized seat liners and Sokol suits. (since Soyuz was the emergecy escape), and had practiced Soyuz ops beforehand.
Up until commercial crew is available, all ISS expedition members were trained on Soyuz and capable of returning with it. Bob & Doug are now the first long term crew members where Soyuz is not the return option.
The reason being that their spacecraft stays with them. During shuttle ISS crew-members were brought up by Shuttle and could either return on Soyuz or on Shuttle. But in case of coming down on Shuttle that was obviously not the same shuttle mission that had delivered them to ISS in the first place. Shuttle didn't stay with the ISS crews it brought up.
CCP spacecraft are basically using the same rotation routine as used on early Salyut missions: same spacecraft brings crew up to ISS and returns that same crew to Earth.
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The reason being that their spacecraft stays with them.
But what if something were to go wrong with the spacecraft? Something that would obviously make it impossible to use (major MMOD hit or something)?
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The reason being that their spacecraft stays with them.
But what if something were to go wrong with the spacecraft? Something that would obviously make it impossible to use (major MMOD hit or something)?
Well obviously there is no spare room in the Soyuz that is for the return of the astronauts launched in it.
A new unmanned spacecraft would have to be sent to the ISS to recover them.
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The reason being that their spacecraft stays with them.
But what if something were to go wrong with the spacecraft? Something that would obviously make it impossible to use (major MMOD hit or something)?
Well obviously there is no spare room in the Soyuz that is for the return of the astronauts launched in it.
A new unmanned spacecraft would have to be sent to the ISS to recover them.
Emphasis mine.
Exactly. It is this very scenario which has already happened on Salyut and Mir missions. CCP will copy the solution (send up a spare spacecraft) if this scenario ever plays out.
And another cockpit photo.
Almost certainly a setup pilots will generally be happier with. But I can't help but think that Crew Dragon's approach is going to be more like the way forward for 21st century spacecraft.
The Boeing 777X will have a touchscreen display interface, replacing the cursor control devices featured in the original 777 and the 787. Starliner is a throwback even by 1990s widebody airliner standards.The iPad electronic flight bag was love at first sight for pilots, and the touchscreen-ification of the cockpit became inevitable much quicker than most had anticipated.
The reason Boeing - and Orion - went with those screen interfaces even though touch screens were available was because of concerns of how they would perform with gloves on especially under high-g vibrations.
Well Nasa and SpaceX appear to be ok with touch screens with gloves and high-g vibrations.
I suspect the reasons for (Boeing) sticking with this display is simply a reluctance to change.
And another cockpit photo.
Almost certainly a setup pilots will generally be happier with. But I can't help but think that Crew Dragon's approach is going to be more like the way forward for 21st century spacecraft.
The Boeing 777X will have a touchscreen display interface, replacing the cursor control devices featured in the original 777 and the 787. Starliner is a throwback even by 1990s widebody airliner standards.The iPad electronic flight bag was love at first sight for pilots, and the touchscreen-ification of the cockpit became inevitable much quicker than most had anticipated.
The reason Boeing - and Orion - went with those screen interfaces even though touch screens were available was because of concerns of how they would perform with gloves on especially under high-g vibrations.
Well Nasa and SpaceX appear to be ok with touch screens with gloves and high-g vibrations.
I suspect the reasons for (Boeing) sticking with this display is simply a reluctance to change.
And another cockpit photo.
Almost certainly a setup pilots will generally be happier with. But I can't help but think that Crew Dragon's approach is going to be more like the way forward for 21st century spacecraft.
The Boeing 777X will have a touchscreen display interface, replacing the cursor control devices featured in the original 777 and the 787. Starliner is a throwback even by 1990s widebody airliner standards.The iPad electronic flight bag was love at first sight for pilots, and the touchscreen-ification of the cockpit became inevitable much quicker than most had anticipated.
The reason Boeing - and Orion - went with those screen interfaces even though touch screens were available was because of concerns of how they would perform with gloves on especially under high-g vibrations.
Starliner (Atlas V) and Orion (SLS) both ride on vehicles with SRBs, and thus the crew will experience significantly more vibration than a crew in a Dragon (Falcon 9) will.
That said, it is also possible to be concerned about something without being so concerned as to not approve it. Realistically, I suspect that the vibrations will make the SpaceX touch screen significantly more difficult to use during launch than Boeing's buttons. But the people on these vehicles are astronauts, and are more than capable of managing and overcoming such challenges, and NASA knows that.
Addendum: Also, with the obvious exception of Apollo 12, has a crew ever had to flip a switch during launch? It may be that it's just not a very important capability to begin with.