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#1480
by
baldusi
on 07 Apr, 2020 17:31
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On a completely unrelated note, this will probably set quite an example about fixed-price procurement for NASA. When a company really dropped the ball, it costed nothing extra to the taxpayers. I wish GPS OCX and JWST had had a bit more things like this. And yes, Northrop Grumman could take some note from Boeing about doing the right thing after screwing it up really bad... twice.
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#1481
by
SoftwareDude
on 07 Apr, 2020 20:39
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Reflying the test is the right thing to do. This announcement from Boeing presages, NASA's announcement. Boeing does this to soften the blow. NASA’s announcement likely contains more information about the first flight and Boeing’s CST-100 program that is not so good.
BTW: Some people here intimate that I am a SpaceX fan. I am not a SpaceX specific fan; I am a Space fan. However, I am a critic of government contractors. I know government contractors and how they work all too well. Trusting their intentions is naïve.
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#1482
by
Comga
on 08 Apr, 2020 02:49
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Boeing is repeating its flight test to the ISS.
NASA officials held back on immediately supporting a re-flight because they “didn’t think it would be sufficient” to address all of Boeing's problems, an agency official said.
"There are a bunch of recommendations that have not been released yet," the official said.
This
Reasonable certainty that low probability failure modes have all been mitigated cannot be proven by a single flight.
Even a pretty large number won't be adequate for statistical confidence , although it would be helpful.
It would be great to hear someday about those recommendations and the corresponding actions, but it seems doubtful.
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#1483
by
SoftwareDude
on 08 Apr, 2020 07:12
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I sincerely hope Boeing turns this around. Their survival as a NASA contractor and supplier depends on it.
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#1484
by
baldusi
on 09 Apr, 2020 18:32
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This is normal, short term focused CEO takes an engineering company with a great legacy and can cut all the fundamentals because inertia and brand name might take a decade to degrade. Or, given the length of Boeings developments, a couple of decades. Happened to Lucent, IBM, Hewlet-Packard, Audi and many more.
But I'm confident the new management will focus on getting back to their engineering roots. Early retirement is not good. But as long as they focus on safety and excellence first, they will be fine.
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#1485
by
D_Dom
on 12 Apr, 2020 17:25
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With my normal heavy handed approach I deepsixed many posts diverging from discussion of thread topic into corporate history (again). Focus all posts on Discussing CST-100 and remain excellent.
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#1486
by
leovinus
on 19 May, 2020 16:45
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While we have a lot of other stuff on our minds, I would appreciate it that when someone files a FOIA for the list please leave a note here to avoid filing it twice. Thanks!
I saw a couple of space journalists tweet last week that they were filing FOIAs to get full list of recommendations.
Any updates on the FOAI requests result? I have not seen any posts addressing this, and some brief Google searches do no identify recent FOAI disclosures about this either. Would love to read them in full.
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#1487
by
ThatOldJanxSpirit
on 02 Jun, 2020 10:49
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Soure said that the second flight of Starliner without a crew to the ISS is expected in mid-November 2020, and the first flight with a crew - in April 2021
https://ria.ru/20200531/1572235725.html
Yikes! That’s one heck of a delay. Can USCV-1 stretch that far, or will USCV-2 be flying on Dragon before CFT?
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#1488
by
TrevorMonty
on 02 Jun, 2020 12:16
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Soure said that the second flight of Starliner without a crew to the ISS is expected in mid-November 2020, and the first flight with a crew - in April 2021
https://ria.ru/20200531/1572235725.html
Yikes! That’s one heck of a delay. Can USCV-1 stretch that far, or will USCV-2 be flying on Dragon before CFT?
I would've thought NASA would book another Dragon for 2nd crew mission given its flying and Starliner schedule could easily slip. Could always offer Boeing additional mission later.
SpaceX is probably ready next Dragon so they can offer it at short notice.
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#1489
by
Nomadd
on 02 Jun, 2020 14:05
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Soure said that the second flight of Starliner without a crew to the ISS is expected in mid-November 2020, and the first flight with a crew - in April 2021
https://ria.ru/20200531/1572235725.html
Yikes! That’s one heck of a delay. Can USCV-1 stretch that far, or will USCV-2 be flying on Dragon before CFT?
Wouldn't April 1 be exactly when USCV-1 was due to come back if DM-2 stays up for four months?
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#1490
by
whitelancer64
on 02 Jun, 2020 14:38
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Soure said that the second flight of Starliner without a crew to the ISS is expected in mid-November 2020, and the first flight with a crew - in April 2021
https://ria.ru/20200531/1572235725.html
Yikes! That’s one heck of a delay. Can USCV-1 stretch that far, or will USCV-2 be flying on Dragon before CFT?
Wouldn't April 1 be exactly when USCV-1 was due to come back if DM-2 stays up for four months?
Launch date for USCV-1 as of now is August 30, so if they launch then, they'd be up there from early September 2020 to end of February, 2021.
I assume that DM-2 will remain on station until USCV-1 is ready to launch. I wonder if they'd do a direct handoff?
If USCV-1 launch is delayed to late September / into October, then the end of it would be approximately April 2021.
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#1491
by
abaddon
on 02 Jun, 2020 14:42
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DM-2 must complete it’s mission before certification and USCV-1. There will be no direct handover.
This is also off-topic for this thread which should stay focused on Starliner.
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#1492
by
SoftwareDude
on 02 Jun, 2020 22:51
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Soure said that the second flight of Starliner without a crew to the ISS is expected in mid-November 2020, and the first flight with a crew - in April 2021
https://ria.ru/20200531/1572235725.html
Yikes! That’s one heck of a delay. Can USCV-1 stretch that far, or will USCV-2 be flying on Dragon before CFT?
Wouldn't April 1 be exactly when USCV-1 was due to come back if DM-2 stays up for four months?
Launch date for USCV-1 as of now is August 30, so if they launch then, they'd be up there from early September 2020 to end of February, 2021.
I assume that DM-2 will remain on station until USCV-1 is ready to launch. I wonder if they'd do a direct handoff?
If USCV-1 launch is delayed to late September / into October, then the end of it would be approximately April 2021.
Software is what they have to fix. Boeing is setting this date now, which means management is setting the dates. Management setting dates for modern software development completion is meaningless drivel. No one knows when Boeing will be ready.
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#1493
by
ulm_atms
on 02 Jun, 2020 23:27
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Software is what they have to fix. Boeing is setting this date now, which means management is setting the dates. Management setting dates for modern software development completion is meaningless drivel. No one knows when Boeing will be ready.
Actually...software is the easy part. The cultural fixes ASAP want...that's the long pole. "Cultural fixes" is code word for "we don't trust that you did what you did for the correct reasons." They are basically going over every single decision ever made on the project to date and why it was made. That takes a god awful long time if done correctly and how long it takes depends on the answers given and corrective action needed. All of which is very hard to estimate.
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#1494
by
SoftwareDude
on 03 Jun, 2020 05:41
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Software is what they have to fix. Boeing is setting this date now, which means management is setting the dates. Management setting dates for modern software development completion is meaningless drivel. No one knows when Boeing will be ready.
Actually...software is the easy part. The cultural fixes ASAP want...that's the long pole. "Cultural fixes" is code word for "we don't trust that you did what you did for the correct reasons." They are basically going over every single decision ever made on the project to date and why it was made. That takes a god awful long time if done correctly and how long it takes depends on the answers given and corrective action needed. All of which is very hard to estimate.
Yes, exactly, management making edicts about when the software is will complete is a cultural fix. The assumption about a completion date is that you know everything beforehand. With modern computers and software, no one can reliably say they know all of what has to be done. I think about the challenge for Boeing now, is that the hardware is pretty much fixed i.e., won't change, so the software has to make it work. while their competitor had the luxury making changes to both depending on what made the most sense.
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#1495
by
Athelstane
on 03 Jun, 2020 14:35
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Soure said that the second flight of Starliner without a crew to the ISS is expected in mid-November 2020, and the first flight with a crew - in April 2021
https://ria.ru/20200531/1572235725.html
Yikes! That’s one heck of a delay. Can USCV-1 stretch that far, or will USCV-2 be flying on Dragon before CFT?
If I had to be bet money on it, I'd say USCV-2 would fly before the Boeing crewed flight is ready.
NASA certainly doesn't want to put undue pressure on Boeing in terms of timeline, right? I have to think...if need be, they will cut the crewed test flight back down into a short 1-2 week mission, since there won't be a need to stretch it out to 6 months.
But we shall see.
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#1496
by
Nomadd
on 03 Jun, 2020 14:45
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DM-2 must complete it’s mission before certification and USCV-1. There will be no direct handover.
This is also off-topic for this thread which should stay focused on Starliner.
It's not off topic. The purpose was to decide when Starliner needs to launch, in addition to when it can launch.
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#1497
by
mgeagon
on 04 Jun, 2020 15:02
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Perhaps it's a bit early to determine, but what are the milestones to be expected as Boeing readies for the OFT2 in November? That NET is now only 5 months away.
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#1498
by
erioladastra
on 10 Jun, 2020 19:57
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Perhaps it's a bit early to determine, but what are the milestones to be expected as Boeing readies for the OFT2 in November? That NET is now only 5 months away.
That is a good question. Since this is a reflight many of the official milestones are in the past and won't be repeated. And some like Stage Ops Readiness Review and the various Flight Readiness Reviews will of course be held. I think those should kick off early October. I think what you are poking at is what new/major milestones because of the problems with OFT-1. Boeing/NASA created an Independent Review Team that defined a number of items that had to be addressed. Various boards will review/approve changes/software fixes/hardware fixes as they are being addressed. I would anticipate all of those will be reviewed at Boeing, ISS and CCP board meetings throughout the next 5 months.
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#1499
by
TorenAltair
on 12 Jun, 2020 02:53
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Starliner Crew Training Goes Virtual
http://www.boeing.com/features/2020/06/starliner-crew-training-goes-virtual.page
Regarding the cockpit layout (posted in the Updates thread)
The difference to the SpaceX layout is astonishing.
I wonder about the apparently small keypads. Are they potentially needed with spacesuits donned? I imagine it might be difficult to press these small keys with a gloved hand.