https://twitter.com/jimbridenstine/status/1177711106300747777Quote My statement on @SpaceX's announcement tomorrow:“I am looking forward to the SpaceX announcement tomorrow. In the meantime, Commercial Crew is years behind schedule. NASA expects to see the same level of enthusiasm focused on the investments of the American taxpayer. It’s time to deliver.”
My statement on @SpaceX's announcement tomorrow:“I am looking forward to the SpaceX announcement tomorrow. In the meantime, Commercial Crew is years behind schedule. NASA expects to see the same level of enthusiasm focused on the investments of the American taxpayer. It’s time to deliver.”
Quote from: FutureSpaceTourist on 09/27/2019 11:23 pmhttps://twitter.com/jimbridenstine/status/1177711106300747777Quote My statement on @SpaceX's announcement tomorrow:“I am looking forward to the SpaceX announcement tomorrow. In the meantime, Commercial Crew is years behind schedule. NASA expects to see the same level of enthusiasm focused on the investments of the American taxpayer. It’s time to deliver.”That's just.... wow. Really?
Ha, well, Jim's not all wrong here. SpaceX failed at what they were paid to do, the end. Now they need to make up for it by actually doing it.
Quote My statement on @SpaceX's announcement tomorrow:“I am looking forward to the SpaceX announcement tomorrow. In the meantime, Commercial Crew is years behind schedule. NASA expects to see the same level of enthusiasm focused on the investments of the American taxpayer. It’s time to deliver.”
https://twitter.com/jimbridenstine/status/1177711106300747777
Quote from: b0objunior on 09/28/2019 01:21 amHa, well, Jim's not all wrong here. SpaceX failed at what they were paid to do, the end. Now they need to make up for it by actually doing it.No, they haven't. This is a milestone payment contract, they only get paid if they have done it (i.e. finished the milestone). They don't get paid if they haven't finished doing it.
Quote from: su27k on 09/28/2019 02:31 amQuote from: b0objunior on 09/28/2019 01:21 amHa, well, Jim's not all wrong here. SpaceX failed at what they were paid to do, the end. Now they need to make up for it by actually doing it.No, they haven't. This is a milestone payment contract, they only get paid if they have done it (i.e. finished the milestone). They don't get paid if they haven't finished doing it.So, they haven't been paid a dime up to this point?
Quote from: ncb1397 on 09/28/2019 03:15 amQuote from: su27k on 09/28/2019 02:31 amQuote from: b0objunior on 09/28/2019 01:21 amHa, well, Jim's not all wrong here. SpaceX failed at what they were paid to do, the end. Now they need to make up for it by actually doing it.No, they haven't. This is a milestone payment contract, they only get paid if they have done it (i.e. finished the milestone). They don't get paid if they haven't finished doing it.So, they haven't been paid a dime up to this point?So, they haven't done anything up to this point?
Quote from: su27k on 09/28/2019 03:19 amQuote from: ncb1397 on 09/28/2019 03:15 amQuote from: su27k on 09/28/2019 02:31 amQuote from: b0objunior on 09/28/2019 01:21 amHa, well, Jim's not all wrong here. SpaceX failed at what they were paid to do, the end. Now they need to make up for it by actually doing it.No, they haven't. This is a milestone payment contract, they only get paid if they have done it (i.e. finished the milestone). They don't get paid if they haven't finished doing it.So, they haven't been paid a dime up to this point?So, they haven't done anything up to this point?There have been zero crew rotations to the ISS or even test flights with people aboard. I think that might be the "deliver" part that Jim is referring to.
Quote from: ncb1397 on 09/28/2019 03:59 amQuote from: su27k on 09/28/2019 03:19 amQuote from: ncb1397 on 09/28/2019 03:15 amQuote from: su27k on 09/28/2019 02:31 amQuote from: b0objunior on 09/28/2019 01:21 amHa, well, Jim's not all wrong here. SpaceX failed at what they were paid to do, the end. Now they need to make up for it by actually doing it.No, they haven't. This is a milestone payment contract, they only get paid if they have done it (i.e. finished the milestone). They don't get paid if they haven't finished doing it.So, they haven't been paid a dime up to this point?So, they haven't done anything up to this point?There have been zero crew rotations to the ISS or even test flights with people aboard. I think that might be the "deliver" part that Jim is referring to.Maybe, maybe not. But I'm not replying to Jim (I hope this is just him under the gun of Shelby, not speaking out of his own volition), I'm replying to b0objunior who said SpaceX failed at what they were paid to do, that's not the case.
The purpose of the Commercial Crew Program (CCP) is to facilitate the development of a U.S.commercial crew space transportation capability with the goal of achieving safe, reliable and costeffective access to and from low Earth orbit (LEO) including the International Space Station (ISS)no later than 2017. Once the capability is matured and available, NASA intends to purchasecommercial crew transportation services to meet its ISS crew rotation and emergency return needs....The Contractor shall complete the design, development, test, evaluation, and certification of anintegrated CTS capable of transporting NASA crew to and from the ISS, in accordance with thedesign reference missions and the certification standards and requirements specified in thiscontract. Certification of the CTS shall be determined by NASA. The Contractor shall providespecial studies for risk reduction and other purposes related to its CTS, to the extent ordered underCLIN 003 of this contract. The Contractor shall also provide complete, initial Post CertificationMissions to and from ISS including ground, launch, on-orbit, return and recovery operations, asordered by IDIQ tasks under this contract.
By that metric so has Boeing. Why was SpaceX thrown under the bus?
Quote from: Orbiter on 09/28/2019 02:00 amBy that metric so has Boeing. Why was SpaceX thrown under the bus?Because Boeing isn't promising to build the greatest rocket ever when they've still yet to launch a single crewed vehicle
Quote from: su27k on 09/28/2019 04:09 amQuote from: ncb1397 on 09/28/2019 03:59 amQuote from: su27k on 09/28/2019 03:19 amQuote from: ncb1397 on 09/28/2019 03:15 amQuote from: su27k on 09/28/2019 02:31 amQuote from: b0objunior on 09/28/2019 01:21 amHa, well, Jim's not all wrong here. SpaceX failed at what they were paid to do, the end. Now they need to make up for it by actually doing it.No, they haven't. This is a milestone payment contract, they only get paid if they have done it (i.e. finished the milestone). They don't get paid if they haven't finished doing it.So, they haven't been paid a dime up to this point?So, they haven't done anything up to this point?There have been zero crew rotations to the ISS or even test flights with people aboard. I think that might be the "deliver" part that Jim is referring to.Maybe, maybe not. But I'm not replying to Jim (I hope this is just him under the gun of Shelby, not speaking out of his own volition), I'm replying to b0objunior who said SpaceX failed at what they were paid to do, that's not the case.let me quote SpaceX's contract...QuoteThe purpose of the Commercial Crew Program (CCP) is to facilitate the development of a U.S.commercial crew space transportation capability with the goal of achieving safe, reliable and costeffective access to and from low Earth orbit (LEO) including the International Space Station (ISS)no later than 2017. Once the capability is matured and available, NASA intends to purchasecommercial crew transportation services to meet its ISS crew rotation and emergency return needs....The Contractor shall complete the design, development, test, evaluation, and certification of anintegrated CTS capable of transporting NASA crew to and from the ISS, in accordance with thedesign reference missions and the certification standards and requirements specified in thiscontract. Certification of the CTS shall be determined by NASA. The Contractor shall providespecial studies for risk reduction and other purposes related to its CTS, to the extent ordered underCLIN 003 of this contract. The Contractor shall also provide complete, initial Post CertificationMissions to and from ISS including ground, launch, on-orbit, return and recovery operations, asordered by IDIQ tasks under this contract.https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/files/NNK14MA74C-SpaceX-CCtCap-Contract.pdfSpaceX isn't being paid for doing some review or something like that. That just spreads out the payments ahead of time because payment on delivery (i.e. live crew member arrival on ISS, live crew member return to Earth) would be too burdensome financially and risky for the contractors. As such, the government takes on the risk that one or both vehicles never will successfully or safely rotate crews through the ISS or do so late which might mean less operational rotations would occur (the cost per flight then would be greater).
If you interpret contract this way, then any contractor who hasn't delivered the final product also "failed at what they were paid to do", this include Boeing, twice (SLS core stage and Starliner) and Lockheed Martin (Orion), plus whoever the contractor is for the SLS GSE, plus Northrop Grumman (JWST), and many many others.
