Fresh from Star Wars Celebration, the first trailer.One word......Palpatine.
Disney hasn't disappointed me any worse than other producers. So I'll be there.I remember one early George Lucas interview where he stated there was enough in his imagined story arc for over a hundred movies (memory says hundreds of movies) but he had settled on three trilogies. The will be the last movie of the last trilogy.
Apparently they are planning a lengthy hiatus after this film.
Quote from: Scylla on 04/12/2019 05:19 pmFresh from Star Wars Celebration, the first trailer.One word......Palpatine.Okay, I hear Palpatine's evil laugh - but are they also implying a Biblical-style resurrection of Luke Skywalker?Is that Mark Hamill doing the voiceover?
Disney hasn't disappointed me any worse than other producers. So I'll be there.I remember one early George Lucas interview where he stated there was enough in his imagined story arc for over a hundred movies (memory says hundreds of movies) but he had settled on three trilogies.
The will be the last movie of the last trilogy.
Wrong Skywalker. Palpatine wasnt the only one to die on endor.
Quote from: jstrotha0975 on 04/13/2019 01:32 amQuote from: joek on 04/13/2019 12:30 amQuote from: jstrotha0975 on 04/12/2019 11:03 pmIt would be great if Disney left the politics out of it's movies. I don't need to be told how to live my life.Trailer seems pretty benign. What about it suggests intrusion on your politics, much lest telling you how to live your life? Unless you are are overly-sensitive and see boogie-men threatening you at every glance? Or maybe you just feel the need to vent? In any case, take it to twitter; your knee-jerk crap adds no value and is not welcome here.You're kidding right? They should have named the Last Jedi the Last Social Justice Warrior.Can we not have this kind of political nonsense on here. Thanks.
Quote from: joek on 04/13/2019 12:30 amQuote from: jstrotha0975 on 04/12/2019 11:03 pmIt would be great if Disney left the politics out of it's movies. I don't need to be told how to live my life.Trailer seems pretty benign. What about it suggests intrusion on your politics, much lest telling you how to live your life? Unless you are are overly-sensitive and see boogie-men threatening you at every glance? Or maybe you just feel the need to vent? In any case, take it to twitter; your knee-jerk crap adds no value and is not welcome here.You're kidding right? They should have named the Last Jedi the Last Social Justice Warrior.
Quote from: jstrotha0975 on 04/12/2019 11:03 pmIt would be great if Disney left the politics out of it's movies. I don't need to be told how to live my life.Trailer seems pretty benign. What about it suggests intrusion on your politics, much lest telling you how to live your life? Unless you are are overly-sensitive and see boogie-men threatening you at every glance? Or maybe you just feel the need to vent? In any case, take it to twitter; your knee-jerk crap adds no value and is not welcome here.
It would be great if Disney left the politics out of it's movies. I don't need to be told how to live my life.
...Quote from: Star One on 04/13/2019 08:16 amQuote from: jstrotha0975 on 04/13/2019 01:32 am...You're kidding right? They should have named the Last Jedi the Last Social Justice Warrior.Can we not have this kind of political nonsense on here. Thanks. Kinda hard to do when you're discussing movies full of political nonsense.
Quote from: jstrotha0975 on 04/13/2019 01:32 am...You're kidding right? They should have named the Last Jedi the Last Social Justice Warrior.Can we not have this kind of political nonsense on here. Thanks.
...You're kidding right? They should have named the Last Jedi the Last Social Justice Warrior.
OK, my pet peeve about the trailer is a little bit different. It's that hunk of the Deathstar sitting out in the bay (or whatever). When you have a mountain-sized piece of metal hit a planet at orbital speeds you have an extinction event, not a piece of wreckage perched in an otherwise-unharmed coast. There should have been a crater hundreds of miles across. The impactor should have been vaporized and spread out as a fine dust over the scorched surface of the planet, even if it was made of unobtainium. LEO (low Endorrian orbit) should be a debris-filled death zone over a nearly lifeless planet.The dead Imperial destroyers in the desert in the last movie were marginal enough, but at least there could be a possibility of a dying crew/control system guiding a vaguely lifting body shape to a mostly non-destructive landing. Never mind the politics and social activism (if any) - put the science back into science fiction!
When you have a mountain-sized piece of metal hit a planet at orbital speeds you have an extinction event, not a piece of wreckage perched in an otherwise-unharmed coast.
...And; it was a huge structure with artificial gravity...
Quote from: MATTBLAK on 04/13/2019 12:50 pm...And; it was a huge structure with artificial gravity...Do you suppose it did? Or, since it was planetoid-sized, was it just the natural gravity of a large object? I've often wondered about whether it raised tides as it approached watery planets. Also if Doc Smith's free planets used as projectiles disrupted the stability of planetary systems even when they missed. Guess I need to get a life.
Old technical reflections on the destruction of the 2nd Death Star: https://www.theforce.net/swtc/ds/ruction.html#dds2
Having been a wide-eyed 14 year old at the local opening of Star Wars in 1977 I'm looking forward to this. Unlike much of the discussion on this board this isn't rocket science. It's comic book fantasy and I've enjoyed the heck out of all of it. Enjoy it for what it is and pass the popcorn. May The Force Be With You, Always.
Quote from: laszlo on 04/13/2019 01:09 pmQuote from: MATTBLAK on 04/13/2019 12:50 pm...And; it was a huge structure with artificial gravity...Do you suppose it did? Or, since it was planetoid-sized, was it just the natural gravity of a large object? I've often wondered about whether it raised tides as it approached watery planets. Also if Doc Smith's free planets used as projectiles disrupted the stability of planetary systems even when they missed. Guess I need to get a life.Even something that large and artificial wouldn't have the same density as a nickel-iron or even a carbonaceous body of similar size.
Quote from: Elvis in Space on 04/13/2019 02:59 pmHaving been a wide-eyed 14 year old at the local opening of Star Wars in 1977 I'm looking forward to this. Unlike much of the discussion on this board this isn't rocket science. It's comic book fantasy and I've enjoyed the heck out of all of it. Enjoy it for what it is and pass the popcorn. May The Force Be With You, Always. They killed the main stars, there's nothing left to enjoy.
Lucasfilm/Disney saw the often hostile reaction to Rian Johnston's 'vision' for the franchise. People don't mind some differences to their beloved franchise - but not that different. Killing off Skywalker in the second film of the trilogy- at least in his physical form - and having him act all emo and sulky did not sit well with Mark Hamill or his fans. But he was professional about it and did his job. Also; I think about half of the audience simply viewed some of the new characters as an unwelcome distraction from the ongoing story.
<snip>"Taking some time off". Yes. In one of the Disney conferences, Disney executives indicated that planning a Star Wars movie every year was a big mistake. Thus you would see a slow down in the rate of Star Wars movies produced. Said having a new movie every lessened the value of the series.<snip>
Right now, I’m thinking Godzilla King of the Monsters is going to be the movie of the year (sales and popularity).
Quote from: Norm38 on 04/16/2019 01:26 pmMy prediction for this is it's going to become a big Force Ghost reunion. Luke's quote was "I'll always be with you. No one's every really gone".That means that everyone we've ever seen as a force ghost (Obi-wan, Yoda, Anakin) is back. Seemingly Palpatine. That means Qui-Gon too, and if they want to throw a curve ball, Darth Plagueis the Wise (Ep 2) who according to Palpatine was the first to figure out how to use the Force to cheat death.Other Jedi? There was a line from Yoda at the end of Ep 3 that indicated that a Jedi/Sith had to learn the technique before dying to become a Force Ghost. That means no Mace Windu.So are we going to have Rey / Kylo Ren and then that light/dark battle echoed in Jedi/Sith ghosts? Will the ghosts fight?Finally, there was talk that the stronger one side becomes, the stronger the other side must become to balance the Force. So the only way to not have Sith is to not have Jedi, to have Force users just be normal flawed people, neither saint nor demon. Do the dead have to die again? Purge the Force?A lot of ways this could go.Your description seems impossible as the new Disney Star Wars Parks would fail if this is done. Imagine a Disney park where creepy Force ghosts run around and tell you what to do all the time. Beam. Me. Up. Yuck. Actually (for fun) I tried to write a page summary of what Ep IX could be while attempting to hope for the best. So as Anakin becomes Darth Vader, there has to be a great amount of hatred toward Obi-Wan. I can imagine that Anakin wanted to clone Padme. But also perhaps enslave the family of Obi-Wan to retaliate. So my theory is that Rey is a clone of a Kenobi family member. Theory is that the empire wanted Jedi clones for their next TK units. They may have been rumored in conversations between stormtroopers. So Rey is a new TK unit. She saw herself multiple times in the dark sit put in VIII. So confirming this will have to be in IX. if there is a end battle, think time travel weapons will be unleashed. This epic battle in IX creates the damaged star ships seen in Episode VII. Believe that Rey was sent back in time from IX to VII. Perhaps the reason she doesn’t remember anything is that this cartwheel samurai jump seen in the trailer actually is a scene.where she bumps her head in a tie fighter. But hoping the final explosion scene is of an Emperor Luke Skywalker placing a Death Star bean right on top of the castle on Mustafar. Perhaps after a cloned/resurrected Padme (Luke’s mom) is saved. See some hope for interesting paths. But as always with Disney, I’ve got a bad feeling about this.
My prediction for this is it's going to become a big Force Ghost reunion. Luke's quote was "I'll always be with you. No one's every really gone".That means that everyone we've ever seen as a force ghost (Obi-wan, Yoda, Anakin) is back. Seemingly Palpatine. That means Qui-Gon too, and if they want to throw a curve ball, Darth Plagueis the Wise (Ep 2) who according to Palpatine was the first to figure out how to use the Force to cheat death.Other Jedi? There was a line from Yoda at the end of Ep 3 that indicated that a Jedi/Sith had to learn the technique before dying to become a Force Ghost. That means no Mace Windu.So are we going to have Rey / Kylo Ren and then that light/dark battle echoed in Jedi/Sith ghosts? Will the ghosts fight?Finally, there was talk that the stronger one side becomes, the stronger the other side must become to balance the Force. So the only way to not have Sith is to not have Jedi, to have Force users just be normal flawed people, neither saint nor demon. Do the dead have to die again? Purge the Force?A lot of ways this could go.
Some of the gripes shared reminds me of advice my mother-in-law gave me when watching one of those silly Vern movies back in the 90s. She said, "son you are missing out, turn off your brain and just enjoy. You will laugh and get the point of the experience." Sometimes we forget the fiction part of science fiction and are holding it to some scientific or engineering test. I personally can't wait to see the movie.
Game of Thrones or Star Wars?
D23 trailer:
Quote from: Star One on 08/26/2019 01:28 pmD23 trailer:So that's quite a reveal at the end. I'd sort of been expecting that very possibility, because there's been a lot of fan speculation about that.But why show that in a trailer?
Quote from: sanman on 08/26/2019 07:06 pmQuote from: Star One on 08/26/2019 01:28 pmD23 trailer:So that's quite a reveal at the end. I'd sort of been expecting that very possibility, because there's been a lot of fan speculation about that.But why show that in a trailer?I suspect if she embraces the dark side, they would NOT have shown it. My guess is it's one of the following:1. A dream/nightmare.2. An elaborate and unlikely ruse it infiltrate the Sith or First Order or whatever.3. A temporary temptation she overcomes at the last minute a la Darth Vader (but living happily ever after.)4. A step in the way to "reunite" the light and dark side of the force.Or maybe she really does join the dark side. But given the modern formula in the movie industry of misleading trailers, I doubt it.
Don't forget about clones, also these Star Destroyers don't look First Order. They look very much like Imperial Star Destroyers.
Hey relax... this is the same director who brought us old Spock talking to future Spock!My pet theory is that Rey is a clone. Her ancestors tie together Skywalker, Kenobi, as well as Palpatine. C3PO is Darth Plageus...I have a very bad feeling about this.
That tight formation of Star Destroyers looks just ... dumb. It's like they decided "more is better" must mean "a sh*tload of more things" would be spectacular. The lightsaber "flip-phone" also does not impress. How deep of a scar in the ground did she cut swinging that open *after* igniting it? Anyway, all the other stuff looks exciting. I'm still excited about the film. And I liked both previous entries in the trilogy. But I'm concerned that JJ will fail to stick the landing and make this the SW equivalent of "Star Trek Into Darkness".
At this point that trailer only gave me meh. I'm tired of it all... Not sure the last three movies were actually a net positive. ( I stood in line for 2 hours to see Star Wars in 1977 when it first opened)
Quote from: Lar on 08/27/2019 03:03 amAt this point that trailer only gave me meh. I'm tired of it all... Not sure the last three movies were actually a net positive. ( I stood in line for 2 hours to see Star Wars in 1977 when it first opened)I just think it's because the story is incredibly uncompelling. Even the Star Wars prequels were more compelling and generated more excitement before their releases.
LOL I am sure any excitement soon disappeared once anyone actually saw any of the prequels, especially the first one. The only thing that’s compelling about the prequels is the levels of derision engendered by their plots and dialogue.
Quote from: Star One on 08/27/2019 05:45 amLOL I am sure any excitement soon disappeared once anyone actually saw any of the prequels, especially the first one. The only thing that’s compelling about the prequels is the levels of derision engendered by their plots and dialogue.I was thinking about this the other night - in a way it's the most awesome troll ever. Lucas didn't want another cult - so he made the movies great for kids or anyone who doesn't take this stuff too seriously. It's entertainment, it doesn't have to make sense. A whole generation of kids grew up loving these movies and not understanding why their parents don't. Then one day they figure out that it's all just silly.Of course, there's still people who cult around the prequels. Including those who enjoy them on the same level as Monty Python - because they're silly.
Quote from: Lar on 08/27/2019 03:03 amAt this point that trailer only gave me meh. I'm tired of it all... Not sure the last three movies were actually a net positive. ( I stood in line for 2 hours to see Star Wars in 1977 when it first opened)IMO the last three movies (episodes 7 thru 9) are completely unnecessary. They don't add a d*mn thing to the Skywalker story arc. Everybody was entirely content with the "They lived happily ever after" ending of Return of the Jedi. The three new movies basically are a rehash of first six: arrogance of the (new) republic leads to its fall destruction with a small band of resistance fighters facing insurmountable odds to defeat the empire's first order's superweapon but end being victorious in the end anyway.Utterly and completely unnecessary. The only reason they exist is Disney. They bought the franchise from George Lucas and now will exploit it and suck it dry.
I really liked the first 3 movies. Originally. As a kid. Adults these days, though...
This movie was disappointingly bad, mainly due to bad writing and a formulaic approach.It was like a shopping list of re-hashed favorite scenes from across the story franchise, especially Return of the Jedi.These were arranged in a treasure hunt type of format that has them hopping from place to place in a mad dash.Each stopover featured its obligatory distinct locale, as per an algorithmic routine.Everything is stitched together through various blatantly contrived and even absurdly contradictory story script acrobatics.Rey is again very over-powered, able to perform stupendous feats with relative ease using the Force. Nobody ever feels like they were ever at serious risk of suffering harm, and emotional bonds between characters just suddenly appear on cue, without actually feeling earned.The visuals are of course very slick and over-the-top, which may perhaps give this film an appeal to younger viewers who have no investment in or attachment to the original trilogy.The image of Disney and J J Abrams are probably going to take a hit over their handling of what's been a popular space opera story franchise.
It's not about a sense of ownership.It's about bad writing. And that's the problem with the sequels.
Quote from: Athelstane on 12/21/2019 07:12 amIt's not about a sense of ownership.It's about bad writing. And that's the problem with the sequels.Yes - bad writing comes into it - I'm a writer and I wanted to b1tchslap Rian Johnson for some of the writing for 'The Last Jedi'. But I have also seen people time and again, using 'bad writing' as a Strawman for their sense of ownership and sometimes misogyny towards strong female characters - particularly the new ones.
I would argue that she might have started out that way - but she had to end up as something else, otherwise why bother introducing new characters at all? The new films had to - they simply could not carry on only with 60-something actors and characters. And certainly not with all-white and mostly male ones. And I'm more that demographic than I am Rey/Daisy Ridley!Some little background: I was born in the 1960's. I am a multi-decade veteran of 'Geek Culture' before that was even a label or appellation. I am a veteran of Star Trek fandom from the beginning of the 1970's and also of Doctor Who, Gerry Anderson, DC, Marvel and classic SF novels as well. When 'Star Wars' debuted in 1977 I wasn't initially a fan. So many people raved about the special effects and the casual, lived-in and used look of that technology and universe. I didn't get the fuss - because I had already seen those effects and universes in my mind's eye, because of all the novels I read even as a kid, and all the comics I read/looked at. When 'The Empire Strikes Back' came out - that's when I became a Fan. I'm a writer - I've had three stories published in anthologies (no; you haven't heard of them) and I have written 'Fan Fiction' for Star Trek, Star Wars, Doctor Who, Gerry Anderson Etc for many years. And I know 'Mary Sue' doesn't mean what many people think it means.Mary Sue is largely a literary creation, birthed from Fan Fiction by authors who create a talented, know-all, do-all character that they insert into an existing universe to interact with established beloved characters to either save their hides or ruin their successes - because the Fan Fiction author wants to use them as their avatar to put a stamp on that Universe. Did JJ Abrams do that with the character of Rey? Yes - and NO. Because Abrams is a professional writer, director and producer who makes real, 'popcorn' movies. He was given custody of the Star Wars universe because Lucas didn't want it anymore - he fricken sold it!! If Lucas had created the character of Rey or someone like her - would Boomer and some Millennial fans be shrieking that she's a 'Mary Sue'? I'd bet you my entire collection of 'Expanded Universe/Legends' novels (below) that they would not. Now; I would say that 'George could do No Wrong' but I know better - there are plenty of fans who really don't like the prequel Trilogy. But I say - except for a few miscast actors and some ill-advised minor characters - the prequel Trilogy is just Fine. 'The Rise Of Skywalker' is Fine or at least good enough.Also: most Jedi and Force-sensitive characters must be Mary Sues, right?! I mean; they arrive with abilities that other characters don't have, talents and luck others don't have... Then maybe all Jedi's are Mary Sues - they become instant heroes don't they? Don't worry about it - even Palpatine must be one, too: he has convenient offspring that give him some background, because even after all these years, we don't know much about him. George sized him just right to be the Big Bad, with little or no background. So he must be the Evil Mary Sue Bwah-Hah-Hah!!You know what?! To paraphrase another famous Disney Franchise: Why don't we all just "Let It Go..." ...P.S: if anyone wants to read my Star Wars/Star Trek crossover FanFic story - just ask. Guaranteed mostly free of any Mary Sues.
At least it's getting better reviews than Cats.
In 2011, the Game of Thrones TV series emerged onto the entertainment landscape and quickly established itself as a firm success. That story was premised on a particular twist - that an age-old savior-prophecy of a 'chosen one' was to be fulfilled this time by a pair of lovers (Jon Snow and Danaerys Targaryen), one of whom who has to tragically kill the other in order to save the world. In Hollywood, where plagiarism travels faster-than-lightspeed, a lightbulb went off in somebody's head, with the thought that this same idea could be repurposed for the Star Wars story franchise, to hopefully breathe new life into it along with a new round of profits. Thus the idea of "Star Wars: A New New Hope" was born, featuring Rey and Kylo Ren as the new pair.
The first few seasons of GoT were anything but an "age-old savior-prophecy". It's not like that in the books either.Instead it's inspired by all the generic save-the-world superhero theme park ride trash that dominates the big screen nowadays.
Quote from: Oli on 12/23/2019 10:28 amThe first few seasons of GoT were anything but an "age-old savior-prophecy". It's not like that in the books either.Instead it's inspired by all the generic save-the-world superhero theme park ride trash that dominates the big screen nowadays.The rumor is that the top job at Lucasfilm will now go to Jon Favreau, who is currently producer for The Mandalorian, having also produced Iron Man and various other hits.
...Disney, like a well-tuned corporate empire, has then efficiently brought together a bunch of big name talents to mechanically execute on a plan that had a seed, but no soul. And the results of this are plain for all to see.J J Abrams, who originally made his name in television and had landed the Star Trek movie reboots, has likewise shown up to do this movie for the paycheque, while also re-capitulating what entertained him in his youth. And that's what he's done in this movie - re-hashed what was done before.The power of the paycheque and the quarterly profit statement has prevailed, while inspiration and originality have taken a backseat to plagiarism and performing on command.A lack of vision gave way to free-form arbitrary plot contrivance, which was passed off as pleasing the masses.Rules and conventions that had evolved for a story universe were cast aside for expediency, and this was branded as boldness and originality. Original Star Wars: I have a story to tell you.New Star Wars: It's time for me to $ell a $tar War$ $tory again, so just take whatever I can come up withThis is akin to farming fertile land until it becomes dry dust.
With the movies truly at the end of their rope (and the Skywalker saga concluding) In stark contrast with the raving critics of The MandalorianI'm left wondering - whatif Star Wars future (and possible renewal / redemption) belonged to SERIES ? We are, possibly, at a turning point. As shown by The Mandalorian, Star Wars basic settings/ universe, which made a large part of the original trilogy, can be better explored / exploited, at length, in a serie rather than in a movie. Plus in a serie one can develop brand new characters with more depth than in a movie.
The head of Disney's newly-purchased Lucasfilm, Kathleen Kennedy, was tasked to oversee the production of this new trilogy while not having any over-arching story plan for it beyond just an imported cloned premise.
George Lucas was retired from the franchise after having cashed out, he had no real role or stake in architecting such an arc.
J J Abrams, who originally made name in television and had landed the Star Trek movie reboots, has likewise shown up to do this movie for the paycheque
The power of the paycheque and the quarterly profit statement has prevailed, while inspiration and originality have taken a backseat to plagiarism and performing on command.
Original Star Wars: I have a story to tell you.
New Star Wars: It's time for me to $ell a $tar War$ $tory again, so just take whatever I can come up with
This is akin to farming fertile land until it becomes dry dust.
Kennedy wasn't the right hands. A least not alone. She needs a creative next to her, guiding a story.
Kennedy was never an 'idea' person, she is the money producer, an experienced producer who was with Lucas and Spielberg for decades. who's job it was to oversee the nuts and bolts of a production but not the creativity.
It has been discussed around the trade sites that she also wanted to deviate from the Marvel format, where the creatives, directors/writers are basically restrained from being creative. They have to fit within a story and style that is created by a handful of people, overseen by one man, Kevin Feige. Kennedy's intent was to give each writer/director pretty much carte blanche with where they went on the story and she had outline where it would end up. Which is why you go from the Force Awakens to the out of left field, wtf was that The Last Jedi.
If you have ever paid much attention to JJ's interviews you will notice one thing, he throws crap at the wall and sees what sticks. And while he was promoted as the idea guy for all three movies it is now painfully obvious that actually he did his usual, came up with a bunch of ideas in the original movie that the following creators could pick up and carry forward or abandon as they wanted. If he didn't stick around because of his work load or whatever it is obvious he had no start at A and finish at C type of story in mind either.
Actually George was/is far from out emotionally at least. He's been throwing a temper tantrum for years that Disney refused to follow his plotted out story arc for the final three movies. My thoughts on that is he sold the franchise off. If he wanted control he could have kept it, Disney chose though to put him out to pasture so to speak. So he wanted his movies, but he no longer owned it. And evidently the story delt with the micro universe of the midi-chlorians... Ack!
I believe that is unfair to JJ. He returned to save the last movie after they crap canned the director/writer who evidently was doing a worse job than Rian Johnson. If that is even possible. This is entirely Kennedy's fault who instead of having an outline that at least detailed something of a story arc for all three movies with a specific destination for the final one, decided to let the creatives do as they wish, go where they want. While Lucas obviously played fast and loose with how his storyline played out and who some of the characters were, he still had a final destination for Return of the Jedi and that didn't change much. That can't be said for this trilogy.
If it wasn't there to make money it wouldn't exist in the first place.
Sorry but if you study the history of star Wars it is blatantly obvious that the 'story' was a money grab. Lucas has always been a better businessman than a writer. He knew that even if Star Wars was a middling movie or even a bomb he could make a lot of money off of the toy licenses. In fact he was so worried about Star Wars not being a hit, that to keep the toys going he had Alan Dean Foster craft a screenplay sequel that could be produced for as little as 2 or 3 million and not the 11 million Star Wars itself was costing while filming the first movie. The screenplay became the novel "Splinter of the Mind's Eye". Star Wars is really a carefully crafter 2.5 hour commercial for a toy line. Think about it, all those droid designs, aliens... Were they really needed for the storyline? No the storyline for the movie is all humans vs humans with a couple of droids. Did he need so many droid variations for the Jawa scenes? No. Did he need all the aliens for the Cantina Scene? No. But I don't think even Lucas realized just how big a kids toy commercial it was because as the decades passed he kept revising the original movies to be even more kid "friendly". The most notable change, Han shoots first. Dumbing the movie down to a 5 year old's level. But that wasn't the only change to make them more kid friendly, there is a good youtube video detailing all of the kiddyfaction of Star Wars.
When he finished Return of the Jedi, he made it well known he was stopping there because the Special Effects technology just wasn't where he needed it to be for the Sequels. The special editions were used to push the technology to where he needed. We may not like the final results, but Lucas was already a very rich man at the time he started the sequels. He didn't need the money, ILM alone was rolling in the money. He'd adopted a couple of kids and wanted to tell them the story. Unfortunately the story appealed to kids.
No it's not. Lucas got to obsessed with it being kid friendly. He started with a movie that was like old Warner Bugs Bunny cartoons. Something a kid could understand but enjoyable for an adult and his last try at it was more like a Saturday morning my little pony show, all commercial for toys. Lucas in his concern for children, got in his own way. Put the franchise in the rights hands and you'll be crying it's greatness once again. Kennedy wasn't the right hands. A least not alone. She needs a creative next to her, guiding a story.
Creativity was the necessary core of it all, without which the rest was just a wasted mechanical effort.
Kennedy et al really did not know their own product, or its particular fanbase.
J J Abrams just wasn't the right talent to pull off a new Star Wars trilogy. I get that he was brought in at the last minute, but they needed a more creative vision. They needed some kind of vision, period.
Gee, they were going to play up the Midi-chlorians even more? How? "Fantastic Voyage" into the Midi-chlorians?
They badly needed a creative vision or story arc. This is a well-defined universe.
Without a story, they're obviously going to fall short on that too.
That's why there were things like the Ewok movies, etc.
They also needed a greater moral message to underpin the story.
Would The Mandalorian be getting the same attention if it was with a baby Hutt instead of a baby Yoda?
Did you even read what I said? Kennedy's intent was to let each movies creative choose where they went. Rian Johnson went where he wanted to that is for sure. The problem was there was no cohesive storyline for all three movies to keep the directors from going off on tangents.
I disagree, Rebel One while it's production was a disaster ended up one of the best movies IMO. Solo was also fan fulfillment that got slagged more because Harrison Ford wasn't playing the character. And unfair point since the guy is in his 70s. Kennedy is also a top producer on Mandalorian. As I said she isn't a creative but when she hires the right person we get gold. We'll see how the upcoming Kenobi series is.
If you want he has several interviews and there are numerous articles out there. But yes he wanted to go into the micro universe of his worst idea ever. Starts at the 10:30 mark. A bit of information, the original draft for what became star wars was called the Journal of the Whills and it was a multi-generational story about the Skywalker family. The first movie was actually the middle of the original draft. So yes ultimately he was going to dive into the micro universe of his creation.
Yah, whatever. Tell you what, they are looking for the next movie trilogy, write up a spec script.
