Author Topic: FAILURE: Vega VV15 - Falcon Eye 1 - July 11, 2019 (01:53 UTC)  (Read 57875 times)

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Has any of the launch campaign hardware been delivered yet to Kourou--Vega stages or Falcon Eye 1?  We could be approximately one month from launch.

Any sightings of Emiratis in Kourou?

(The above are semi-rhetorical questions; I expect that this launch campaign will be low-key, as were the Mohammed VI A/B launches.)
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Some scheduling deduction:

We've been told it takes approximately 2 weeks between successive launches at Kourou.

Given the current schedule:

VV14 launches on March 22 UTC.  (EDIT 3/22--successful!)

VS22 launches on April 4 UTC, 13 days after VV14.

Assuming all launches happen as currently scheduled, I deduce that this launch will be approximately NET April 18.

(The following launch, VA248, is currently scheduled for May 10.)  (EDIT 3/22--delayed)

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EDIT 3/22; re: this launch in April: Well, nope.
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The SFN launch schedule, updated 3/22, listed this launch as delayed to June.

However, see the following post...
« Last Edit: 07/15/2019 07:58 am by input~2 »
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Re: Vega VV15 - Falcon Eye 1 - NET April 2019
« Reply #1 on: 03/22/2019 02:13 pm »
Assuming all launches happen as currently scheduled, I deduce that this launch will be approximately NET April 18.

(The following launch, VA248, is currently scheduled for May 10.)

When taking the new 5 July date for VA248 seriously, new deduction is (NET) late July.

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Re: Vega VV15 - Falcon Eye 1 - NET July 2019
« Reply #2 on: 05/31/2019 09:33 pm »
Following up on the possible future launch schedule at Kourou:

Planned launches:
Date - Satellite(s) - Rocket - Launch Site - Time (UTC)

2019
June  12  20 - DirecTV 16, Eutelsat 7C - Ariane 5 ECA (VA248) - Kourou ELA-3 - 21:41
NET Early July - Falcon Eye 1 - Vega (VV15) - Kourou ZLV
NET July 24 - Intelsat 39, GSAT-30  EDRS-C (Hylas 3) - Ariane 5 ECA (VA249) - Kourou ELA-3 (or Q3)

Changes on April 25th
Changes on May 10th

The gap between the launches of VA248 and VA249 provides sufficient time (approximately 2 weeks minimum between Kourou launches) for a VV15 launch window in early July.

Apparently, that's a deduction, not a known fact.  Thus, the cross-post.
« Last Edit: 06/06/2019 05:15 pm by zubenelgenubi »
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Re: Vega VV15 - Falcon Eye 1 - NET July 2019
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Re: Vega VV15 - Falcon Eye 1 - July 6, 2019 (01:53 UTC)
« Reply #4 on: 06/11/2019 09:23 pm »
Cross-post re: launch date and time:
Falcon Eye on 6 July at 01:53 UTC

https://www.dlr.de/rd/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-4926/8178_read-47362/

EDIT 6/14
Also, note, with respect to minimum launch cadence at CSG, that this launch follows VA248 by 16 days (UTC).

VV15 precedes VA249 by 18 days (UTC).
« Last Edit: 06/14/2019 11:16 pm by zubenelgenubi »
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Re: Vega VV15 - Falcon Eye 1 - July 6, 2019 (01:53 UTC)
« Reply #5 on: 06/15/2019 07:51 am »
Falcon Eye 1 - spy satellite for UAE   :(



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Re: Vega VV15 - Falcon Eye 1 - July 6, 2019 (01:53 UTC)
« Reply #6 on: 06/15/2019 02:38 pm »
Falcon Eye 1 - spy satellite for UAE   :(
Why the frowny face?

 - Ed Kyle

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Re: Vega VV15 - Falcon Eye 1 - July 6, 2019 (01:53 UTC)
« Reply #7 on: 06/15/2019 04:45 pm »
Falcon Eye 1 - spy satellite for UAE   :(
Why the frowny face?

 - Ed Kyle
I had the same question. If the USA, Russia, China, France, Germany, Japan, UK, Canada, and many others are allowed to have spy satellites, than why should that not be the case for UAE?

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Re: Vega VV15 - Falcon Eye 1 - July 6, 2019 (01:53 UTC)
« Reply #8 on: 06/16/2019 08:03 am »
Falcon Eye 1 - spy satellite for UAE   :(
Why the frowny face?

 - Ed Kyle
I had the same question. If the USA, Russia, China, France, Germany, Japan, UK, Canada, and many others are allowed to have spy satellites, than why should that not be the case for UAE?
Can't speak for GWR, but I'm less than happy with ESA launching national security payload for regimes with human rights records as poor as the UAE.

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Re: Vega VV15 - Falcon Eye 1 - July 6, 2019 (01:53 UTC)
« Reply #9 on: 06/16/2019 08:05 am »
Falcon Eye 1 - spy satellite for UAE   :(
Why the frowny face?

 - Ed Kyle
I had the same question. If the USA, Russia, China, France, Germany, Japan, UK, Canada, and many others are allowed to have spy satellites, than why should that not be the case for UAE?
Can't speak for GWR, but I'm less than happy with ESA launching national security payload for regimes with human rights records as poor as the UAE.

And that concern doesn’t apply to other countries even in the above list?

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Re: Vega VV15 - Falcon Eye 1 - July 6, 2019 (01:53 UTC)
« Reply #10 on: 06/16/2019 08:08 am »
Falcon Eye 1 - spy satellite for UAE   :(
Why the frowny face?

 - Ed Kyle
I had the same question. If the USA, Russia, China, France, Germany, Japan, UK, Canada, and many others are allowed to have spy satellites, than why should that not be the case for UAE?
Can't speak for GWR, but I'm less than happy with ESA launching national security payload for regimes with human rights records as poor as the UAE.

And that concern doesn’t apply to other countries even in the above list?
It does.

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Re: Vega VV15 - Falcon Eye 1 - July 6, 2019 (01:53 UTC)
« Reply #11 on: 06/16/2019 08:31 am »
Falcon Eye 1 - spy satellite for UAE   :(
Why the frowny face?

 - Ed Kyle

It is claimed: These are upgraded Pléiades-HR satellites. (from CNES)

Everyone can have their opinion. Smiley is allowed!
« Last Edit: 06/16/2019 08:42 am by GWR64 »

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Re: Vega VV15 - Falcon Eye 1 - July 6, 2019 (01:53 UTC)
« Reply #12 on: 06/16/2019 08:37 pm »
Falcon Eye 1 - spy satellite for UAE   :(
Why the frowny face?

 - Ed Kyle

It is claimed: These are upgraded Pléiades-HR satellites. (from CNES)

Everyone can have their opinion. Smiley is allowed!
Source of CNES claim please.

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Re: Vega VV15 - Falcon Eye 1 - July 6, 2019 (01:53 UTC)
« Reply #13 on: 06/17/2019 01:45 am »


It is claimed: These are upgraded Pléiades-HR satellites. (from CNES)

Everyone can have their opinion. Smiley is allowed!
Source of CNES claim please.

Badly formulated, the Pléiades-HR are from CNES.

https://spacenews.com/36389military-space-quarterly-long-anticipated-uae-spy-sat-contract-goes-to/

https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/falcon-eye-1.htm
« Last Edit: 06/17/2019 01:49 am by GWR64 »

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Re: Vega VV15 - Falcon Eye 1 - July 6, 2019 (01:53 UTC)
« Reply #14 on: 06/17/2019 10:28 am »
Falcon Eye 1 - spy satellite for UAE   :(
Why the frowny face?

 - Ed Kyle
I had the same question. If the USA, Russia, China, France, Germany, Japan, UK, Canada, and many others are allowed to have spy satellites, than why should that not be the case for UAE?
Can't speak for GWR, but I'm less than happy with ESA launching national security payload for regimes with human rights records as poor as the UAE.

Emphasis mine.

Wrong.
This is not ESA launching that payload. It is being launched by Arianespace, which in turn is a subsidiary of ArianeGroup, which in turn is majority owned by the major players in the European aerospace industry.

ESA has no direct involvement in Vega other than it once supplied the funds to have Vega developed. But ESA is not involved in Vega's commercial launch business. Same goes for Ariane 5 and Ariane 6.
« Last Edit: 06/17/2019 10:31 am by woods170 »

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Vega VV15 - Falcon Eye 1 - July 6, 2019 (01:53 UTC)
« Reply #15 on: 06/17/2019 11:08 am »
Falcon Eye 1 - spy satellite for UAE   :(
Why the frowny face?

 - Ed Kyle
I had the same question. If the USA, Russia, China, France, Germany, Japan, UK, Canada, and many others are allowed to have spy satellites, than why should that not be the case for UAE?
Can't speak for GWR, but I'm less than happy with ESA launching national security payload for regimes with human rights records as poor as the UAE.

Emphasis mine.

Wrong.
This is not ESA launching that payload. It is being launched by Arianespace, which in turn is a subsidiary of ArianeGroup, which in turn is majority owned by the major players in the European aerospace industry.

ESA has no direct involvement in Vega other than it once supplied the funds to have Vega developed. But ESA is not involved in Vega's commercial launch business. Same goes for Ariane 5 and Ariane 6.

I don’t believe your post changes the basic ethical point the OP was making in their post.
« Last Edit: 06/17/2019 11:09 am by Star One »

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Re: Vega VV15 - Falcon Eye 1 - July 6, 2019 (01:53 UTC)
« Reply #16 on: 06/17/2019 12:36 pm »
Woods, I stand corrected. While it does not change my point a great deal, accuracy is important.

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Re: Vega VV15 - Falcon Eye 1 - July 6, 2019 (01:53 UTC)
« Reply #17 on: 06/17/2019 12:52 pm »
Falcon Eye 1 - spy satellite for UAE   :(
Why the frowny face?

 - Ed Kyle
I had the same question. If the USA, Russia, China, France, Germany, Japan, UK, Canada, and many others are allowed to have spy satellites, than why should that not be the case for UAE?
Can't speak for GWR, but I'm less than happy with ESA launching national security payload for regimes with human rights records as poor as the UAE.

Emphasis mine.

Wrong.
This is not ESA launching that payload. It is being launched by Arianespace, which in turn is a subsidiary of ArianeGroup, which in turn is majority owned by the major players in the European aerospace industry.

ESA has no direct involvement in Vega other than it once supplied the funds to have Vega developed. But ESA is not involved in Vega's commercial launch business. Same goes for Ariane 5 and Ariane 6.

I don’t believe your post changes the basic ethical point the OP was making in their post.

Correct. It doesn't.

But that wasn't the point of my post. The point was that Welsh Dragon incorrectly assumed that this launch was being performed by ESA.

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Re: Vega VV15 - Falcon Eye 1 - July 6, 2019 (01:53 UTC)
« Reply #18 on: 06/17/2019 03:17 pm »
Falcon Eye 1 - spy satellite for UAE   :(
Why the frowny face?

 - Ed Kyle
I had the same question. If the USA, Russia, China, France, Germany, Japan, UK, Canada, and many others are allowed to have spy satellites, than why should that not be the case for UAE?
Can't speak for GWR, but I'm less than happy with ESA launching national security payload for regimes with human rights records as poor as the UAE.

Emphasis mine.

Wrong.
This is not ESA launching that payload. It is being launched by Arianespace, which in turn is a subsidiary of ArianeGroup, which in turn is majority owned by the major players in the European aerospace industry.

ESA has no direct involvement in Vega other than it once supplied the funds to have Vega developed. But ESA is not involved in Vega's commercial launch business. Same goes for Ariane 5 and Ariane 6.

I don’t believe your post changes the basic ethical point the OP was making in their post.

Correct. It doesn't.

But that wasn't the point of my post. The point was that Welsh Dragon incorrectly assumed that this launch was being performed by ESA.

Well I am certainly not going to disagree with you about that.

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Re: Vega VV15 - Falcon Eye 1 - July 6, 2019 (01:53 UTC)
« Reply #19 on: 06/28/2019 11:10 am »
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