Author Topic: SpaceX F9 : Starlink v0.9 : May 23, 2019 - DISCUSSION  (Read 266728 times)

Offline dgates

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I noticed a U shaped tube on the MVac 2nd stage engine glowing red in one of the two camera views, have not seen that before on other launches.  Probably normal, or maybe they were running the MVac engine a little harder than usual? 
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I noticed a U shaped tube on the MVac 2nd stage engine glowing red in one of the two camera views, have not seen that before on other launches.  Probably normal, or maybe they were running the MVac engine a little harder than usual?

CRS-17 shows the same glowing so this is probably nominal.

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That was one heck of a light show with the grid fins right after the entry burn, up until loss of video.

I wonder of this was their most difficult landing yet, at least for block 5 (due to the high mass of the payload)? I can;t recall seeing the ASDS this far out before. To be honest, I would not have been surprised had this landing failed. I'm also wondering if this was a 3-engine landing.

I am hoping that the sat deployment goes well, and that there is video.

This was probably like a normal GTO landing. If you can't recall seeing landings this far out from the launchpad you may have missed a ton of GTO missions...

GTO missions use a due east launch azimuth which puts them far out at sea. This was a more northerly launch up the East coast, like an ISS launch but most ISS launches are RTLS. The only recent similar launch would have been DM-1.

I know it was to the northeast, I was talking in terms of distance. The other post said that it was very far out but it was not very far out compared to other missions, in this case, GTO missions. DM-1 was closer to the launchpad by about 200km.

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Is there any satellite tracker that has the ground track of the sats?

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https://twitter.com/marco_langbroek/status/1132064132390379520

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VIDEO! Prepare to be mind-blown!
The train of @SpaceX #Starlink satellites passing over Leiden, the Netherlands, some 25 minutes ago. Camera: WATEC 902H with Canon FD 1.8/50 mm lens. I was shouting when they entered FOV!
@elonmusk

Very nice.  I counted about 54 (wasn't trying too hard) and a couple were bigger blobs that could have been two sats still close together.

edit:  some were very faint, I wonder if a few hadn't deployed solar arrays yet (either intentionally or otherwise).
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https://twitter.com/marco_langbroek/status/1132064132390379520

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VIDEO! Prepare to be mind-blown!
The train of @SpaceX #Starlink satellites passing over Leiden, the Netherlands, some 25 minutes ago. Camera: WATEC 902H with Canon FD 1.8/50 mm lens. I was shouting when they entered FOV!
@elonmusk

Very nice.  I counted about 54 (wasn't trying too hard) and a couple were bigger blobs that could have been two sats still close together.

edit:  some were very faint, I wonder if a few hadn't deployed solar arrays yet (either intentionally or otherwise).

Or maybe the solar array on those faint ones was pointing in the opposite direction and so there was less reflective surface for light to hit the point in the ground where this video was recorded and see them brighter.

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Is there any satellite tracker that has the ground track of the sats?

Yeah, with the videos popping up, I REALLY want to see this.  With the orbit raising already in progress, I don't know how long these will be visible like this.
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Is there any satellite tracker that has the ground track of the sats?

Yeah, with the videos popping up, I REALLY want to see this.  With the orbit raising already in progress, I don't know how long these will be visible like this.

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You can import and plot TLEs in Flight Club without being a Patron! Get out and spot #Starlink tonight in just over 30 minutes!

TLE here: http://www.satobs.org/seesat/May-2019/0193.html
Copy+paste it into here: https://www2.flightclub.io/dashboard

https://twitter.com/flightclubio/status/1132118284600520707


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Should be passing over SoCal about 10pm PDT tonight (about 30 minutes)

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Nothing visible from NorCal unfortunately.  The prediction software claims they were in eclipse by just a few minutes.  Went outside to check anyway, and gave it a fairly generous time window, but nothing.

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Is there any satellite tracker that has the ground track of the sats?

Yeah, with the videos popping up, I REALLY want to see this.  With the orbit raising already in progress, I don't know how long these will be visible like this.

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You can import and plot TLEs in Flight Club without being a Patron! Get out and spot #Starlink tonight in just over 30 minutes!

TLE here: http://www.satobs.org/seesat/May-2019/0193.html
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https://twitter.com/flightclubio/status/1132118284600520707

Nice thank you. I checked FlightClub last night but only found the launch, not the ground track of the satellite. This might make a pass tonight at around midnight CET. Lets hope the clouds behave (doesnt look good for me).. Luckily there will be many more starlink launches, Ill get to see the string of sats eventually.

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Something I notice it happens recently is that they dump something from the Falcon as you can see from minute 1:00 ().

What is the liquid/vapour coming from the engine/valves? Do they dump the propellant when the Falcon 9 Lands? Is there any public document for the steps after landing?

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Something I notice it happens recently is that they dump something from the Falcon as you can see from minute 1:00 ().

What is the liquid/vapour coming from the engine/valves? Do they dump the propellant when the Falcon 9 Lands? Is there any public document for the steps after landing?

I think they’re either dumping out the ignitor fluid or excess liquid oxygen.

Either way, that’s part of the detanking process.
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Revised TLE from Marco Langbroek

http://www.satobs.org/seesat/May-2019/0228.html

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STARLINK TRAIN
1 70002U 19999A   19144.94244262 0.00000000  00000-0  00000+0 0    00
2 70002  53.2862 172.0411 0001500  47.9022 312.2115 15.45905383    01

comparison with previous tle (yellow Starlink)

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Something I notice it happens recently is that they dump something from the Falcon ... What is the liquid/vapour coming from the engine/valves? Do they dump the propellant when the Falcon 9 Lands? Is there any public document for the steps after landing?

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Regarding your question, this has been discussed at length here many time in recent years.  Go back to the earliest landings, where we saw this for the first time, for discussions that explain.  Find the posts RIGHT after we see the landing.    Besides the two propellants (fuel + oxidizer), they have the TEA/TEB igniter fluid to get rid of. (I'm NOT saying it was the TEA/TEB venting; go back and read earlier threads.)
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I gather that the satellites were inserted together into an initial orbit.

Is the plan for them to use differential altitude to move to different planes, if so, how many planes?

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I looked twice. Didn't see them either time, even though I looked in the right spot. I need a darker sky, I guess.

...I guess there goes the "oh no, it'll pollute the nightsky" argument.

Astronomy twitter has gone into complete meltdown over this. I haven't managed to see them yet as we have had heavy cloud in the UK for the last couple of days so I'm going to reserve judgement until I spot em.

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After the launch of a satellite its common to discuss observations of that satellite on the discussion thread for that launch, which is what we’re doing here.  But this set of satellites isn’t normal.  Its much more interesting being that there are 60 of them in a train formation, at least initially.  And it’s the first of a vast plethora of similar launches.  There will be a lot of discussing of Starlink observations and it won’t make sense going forward to have to determine which launch thread is appropriate to post about the Starlink you just saw.  So I’ve started (with Chris B’s blessing) a “Starlink Satellite Spotting” thread which is located here – Starlink Satellite Spotting

Mods, please move some of the posts above to the new thread.



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