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Greatest disappointment in human spaceflight?

Discontinuation of Apollo/ Saturn-V
Cancellation of soviet N1/ manned lunar landing
Discontinuation of space shuttle program
Cancellation of Constellation Program (target 2020 return to the moon)
Discontinuation of energia rocket/ Buran

Voting closes: 03/11/2019 06:21 am


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Offline FinalFrontier

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Re: POLL: greatest disappointment in human spaceflight?
« Reply #20 on: 02/10/2019 10:50 pm »
Cancellation of the Apollo applications program and the follow on moon base and mars drms is obviously the correct answer.

However, I picked cancellation of CXP. Not because it was cancelled but because of what happened afterward.
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Re: POLL: greatest disappointment in human spaceflight?
« Reply #21 on: 02/10/2019 11:06 pm »
1.  Cancellation of the entire Apollo Saturn architecture (including Saturn IB) and the follow-on Apollo Applications Program.
2.  Failure to reboost Skylab for possible reuse.
3.  Failure of the Space Shuttle to achieve high flight rates and low delivery costs.
4.  Cancellation of Space Shuttle launches from Vandenberg.
5.  John Glenn not flying Gemini or Apollo missions.
6.  Cancellation of a probe to fly by Halley's Comet in 1986.
7.  The downsizing of Russia's segment of the ISS.

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Re: POLL: greatest disappointment in human spaceflight?
« Reply #22 on: 02/10/2019 11:49 pm »
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A gentle reminder ... for some kinds of polls it may be best to first have a discussion about what the options ought to be first, THEN create the poll. I see a LOT of possible things that I'd consider voting for that aren't in the poll as written. Or at least always include an "other - see comments" so that people can add their own.

Too late to change this one now. But everyone should keep it in mind for future.
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Re: POLL: greatest disappointment in human spaceflight?
« Reply #23 on: 02/11/2019 04:03 am »
The US state department interference in the American attempt to rent Mir.
 
Human spaceflight is basically just LARPing now.

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Re: POLL: greatest disappointment in human spaceflight?
« Reply #24 on: 02/11/2019 07:01 am »
The five options in the poll are all things that are not disappointments to me.  They are all things I'm glad happened.

All five of these were huge programs that sucked up a lot of money.

Apollo was worth it, but it couldn't continue forever, and it was right to end it.  OK, I'd rather they had done a few more flights before ending it, but still it was better to end it and shift instead to a reusable launch vehicle.  Which is what was intended when Apollo was cancelled.  Unfortunately, STS didn't live up to its design goals, but the goals were the right ones.

The other four programs were all too big and expensive for what they did.  It was right to cancel them all.  The money for them could be better spent on other programs.

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Re: POLL: greatest disappointment in human spaceflight?
« Reply #25 on: 02/11/2019 07:07 am »
My biggest disappointment: that in the 1980s when it became apparent that STS wasn't fulfilling its original design goals that a realistic, near-term replacement program wasn't instituted with lessons learned from STS.

There were many ideas for next-generation replacements for STS, and NASA spent a lot on them, but they were all missing the main lesson of STS: focus on costs.

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Re: POLL: greatest disappointment in human spaceflight?
« Reply #26 on: 02/11/2019 01:15 pm »
The re-vectoring (effectively the cancellation of) Orbital Space Plane (OSP) into Constellation.  By starting over we lost any hope of a continuous (or at least short gap) US crewed capability.

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Re: POLL: greatest disappointment in human spaceflight?
« Reply #27 on: 02/15/2019 09:40 pm »
I picked Apollo/Saturn V because with a few more flights we could have either kept Skylab in orbit or launched a second Skylab. Then the Shuttle program would have started with Skylab as a destination. It was a long wait before Shuttle could go to Mir and until ISS was started.
I picked Apollo Saturn mostly because the Saturn V architecture could have been adopted to other missions and the cost could have been greatly reduced if the S-ID booster was developed.

http://www.astronautix.com/s/saturns-idbooster.html

The Saturn V-B could have been a useful workhorse for many LEO missions.
The HL-20 and HL-42 plus the Saturn VB could have done most of the Shuttle's missions.
The Saturn V-C would have been a good vehicle for general science payloads and deep space probes and the Saturn V-D would have been capable of launching crewed Mars missions.
« Last Edit: 02/15/2019 09:45 pm by Patchouli »

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