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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SAOCOM 1B : Mar. 30, 2020 : Florida
« Reply #80 on: 02/27/2020 12:44 am »
HAWTHORNE, Calif. – February 26, 2020. Media accreditation is now open for SpaceX’s SAOCOM 1B mission from Space Launch Complex 40 (SLC-40) at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida. The launch is targeted for no earlier than March 30.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SAOCOM 1B : Mar. 30, 2020 : Florida
« Reply #81 on: 02/28/2020 12:14 am »
SpaceNews has a story with some info about this launch: https://spacenews.com/spacex-planning-major-increase-in-florida-launch-activity/

A small section related to this launch"
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The new trajectory does raise some issues regarding sonic booms along the Florida coast. A March 2019 report by Blue Ridge Research and Consulting, included as an appendix to the environmental assessment, said that cities along the coast including Vero Beach, Fort Pierce and Port Saint Lucie could hear sonic booms roughly comparable to thunder and unlikely to cause damage.

However, the report said a “narrow focus boom region” of less than eight square kilometers could form north of Vero Beach where the overpressure from the sonic boom would exceed two pounds per square foot, including an area of about 0.025 square kilometers with a peak overpressure of 4.6 pounds per square foot. That would create a “low probability of structure damage (to glass, plaster, roofs, and ceilings) for well-maintained structures,” the report notes, adding that the specific location of the peak overpressure would depend on the flight trajectory and atmospheric conditions.

The first use of that polar trajectory is expected in about a month, when a Falcon 9 launches Argentina’s SAOCOM 1B radar imaging satellite from SLC-40 on March 30. Another Falcon 9 launched the SAOCOM 1A satellite into polar orbit from Vandenberg Air Force Base in October 2018.

And see this trajectory... (image below)  :o  :o  :o Hugging the coastline real close, with the first stage landing between Cuba and Bahamas.  8)

A LOT of flights will likely be affected unless this launches in the middle of the night. And how much of the area below will be cleared of boats?
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SAOCOM 1B : Mar. 30, 2020 : Florida
« Reply #82 on: 02/28/2020 01:00 am »
That figure isn't specifically for the SAOCOM-1B flight.  This flight has a permit filed for RTLS landing.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SAOCOM 1B : Mar. 30, 2020 : Florida
« Reply #83 on: 02/28/2020 02:03 am »
SpaceNews has a story with some info about this launch: https://spacenews.com/spacex-planning-major-increase-in-florida-launch-activity/
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Launch criteria could be modified to preclude launches during weather conditions that could produce the potentially damaging sonic boom during ascent.
It may already BE so, ISTR.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SAOCOM 1B : Mar. 30, 2020 : Florida
« Reply #84 on: 02/28/2020 02:07 am »
This launch, if "promoted" well, could be viewed by millions of Floridians and tourists.

Also, given flight detouring to adjacent airspaces from the Cape to Miami, this could also be the most viewed launch by people aloft in history.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SAOCOM 1B : Mar. 30, 2020 : Florida
« Reply #85 on: 02/28/2020 03:41 am »
I have been REALLY curious about this sun synchronous launch trajectory from the Cape.
Thanks, Lars-J!

A crude measurement of that image, with the assumption that the center of the map projection is an undistorted point, says that the inclination is about -69 degrees.
Sun synchronous orbits are generally -81 to -82 degrees, which are the southbound equator crossing (descending node) angles that are  commonly read as 98 to 99 degree inclinations. 
That requires a 12 to 13 degree turn from the second stage.
IXPE is making a >28 degree turn to get to an equatorial orbit from the Cape, so more than double this.

Looking real closely, the dogleg appears to be that the Falcon 9 will head offshore, and immediately turn to this heading.
It may do this in reverse for the landing.

What are the odds of getting EVERY airplane out of that airspace?
It's going to be like the wayward boat problem in three dimensions over a much greater distance.
Plus (almost) all boaters know they are near Cape Canaveral and alert for launches heading east or north-east with short exclusion zones. 
Will every VFR pilot around Miami be alert to the launch?
It's not that so many people may be in the air when this launches, as much as there might be one too many people in the air.  ;)

It might be interesting to find the
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"narrow focus boom region” of less than eight square kilometers could form north of Vero Beach where the overpressure from the sonic boom would exceed two pounds per square foot, including an area of about 0.025 square kilometers with a peak overpressure of 4.6 pounds per square foot.
"0.025 square kilometers" is ~160 meters square.  Pretty small.
"4.6 pounds per square foot" is ~0.2% of sea level air pressure. Unsure how significant that would be.  It might be up to 40 pounds on ones' front if it came in square.
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SAOCOM 1B : Mar. 30, 2020 : Florida
« Reply #86 on: 02/28/2020 02:37 pm »
What are the odds of getting EVERY airplane out of that airspace?
It's going to be like the wayward boat problem in three dimensions over a much greater distance.
Plus (almost) all boaters know they are near Cape Canaveral and alert for launches heading east or north-east with short exclusion zones. 
Will every VFR pilot around Miami be alert to the launch?
It's not that so many people may be in the air when this launches, as much as there might be one too many people in the air.  ;)

Isn't the boat exclusion zone only in the area immediately offshore from the Cape? Outside of that they let rockets fly over boats.

F9 will be pretty high for almost all of that trajectory. Do they have to clear the planes under it?
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SAOCOM 1B : Mar. 30, 2020 : Florida
« Reply #87 on: 02/28/2020 02:55 pm »
This launch, if "promoted" well, could be viewed by millions of Floridians and tourists.

Even more so since Spring Break will still be going pretty strong.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SAOCOM 1B : Mar. 30, 2020 : Florida
« Reply #88 on: 02/28/2020 07:35 pm »
Also, the more people informed, the less of a UFO flap. (And therefore, a more pleasant IFO event.)
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SAOCOM 1B : Mar. 30, 2020 : Florida
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SAOCOM 1B : Mar. 30, 2020 : Florida
« Reply #90 on: 03/05/2020 07:51 pm »
This launch, if "promoted" well, could be viewed by millions of Floridians and tourists.

Also, given flight detouring to adjacent airspaces from the Cape to Miami, this could also be the most viewed launch by people aloft in history.
It is wrong that I'm hoping for a *slight* delay so that it will happen during the night airshows at Sun n' Fun? Bummer that it's not going to be a RTLS, though.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SAOCOM 1B : Mar. 30, 2020 : Florida
« Reply #91 on: 03/05/2020 08:50 pm »
It is wrong that I'm hoping for a *slight* delay so that it will happen during the night airshows at Sun n' Fun? Bummer that it's not going to be a RTLS, though.

I thought it is planned to be RTLS.

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It is wrong that I'm hoping for a *slight* delay so that it will happen during the night airshows at Sun n' Fun? Bummer that it's not going to be a RTLS, though.

I thought it is planned to be RTLS.

Yep, it is.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SAOCOM 1B : Mar. 30, 2020 : Florida
« Reply #93 on: 03/06/2020 02:07 am »
That's what I thought, I was confused by this image from the post above by Lars shows a landing site SSE of Florida, that's not for this mission but a generic plan for barge landings. My bad.



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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SAOCOM 1B : Mar. 30, 2020 : Florida
« Reply #94 on: 03/06/2020 10:55 am »
That's what I thought, I was confused by this image from the post above by Lars shows a landing site SSE of Florida, that's not for this mission but a generic plan for barge landings.

Combining the western and eastern ASDS ground tracks from the Draft Environmental Assessment, and interpolating (in red) also leaves me confused. F9 ASDS MECO is typically no more than 100km downrange adjacent Vero Beach, and FH core MECO perhaps 150km downrange adjacent Port St Lucie. So if S2 has already separated, what is the point of the booster plane change in the western ASDS trajectory at around 250km downrange? Would it not just be a waste of propellant?

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SAOCOM 1B : Mar. 30, 2020 : Florida
« Reply #95 on: 03/06/2020 01:11 pm »
That's what I thought, I was confused by this image from the post above by Lars shows a landing site SSE of Florida, that's not for this mission but a generic plan for barge landings.

Combining the western and eastern ASDS ground tracks from the Draft Environmental Assessment, and interpolating (in red) also leaves me confused. F9 ASDS MECO is typically no more than 100km downrange adjacent Vero Beach, and FH core MECO perhaps 150km downrange adjacent Port St Lucie. So if S2 has already separated, what is the point of the booster plane change in the western ASDS trajectory at around 250km downrange? Would it not just be a waste of propellant?

When would the fairing separate?

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SAOCOM 1B : Mar. 30, 2020 : Florida
« Reply #96 on: 03/06/2020 01:54 pm »
That's what I thought, I was confused by this image from the post above by Lars shows a landing site SSE of Florida, that's not for this mission but a generic plan for barge landings.

Combining the western and eastern ASDS ground tracks from the Draft Environmental Assessment, and interpolating (in red) also leaves me confused. F9 ASDS MECO is typically no more than 100km downrange adjacent Vero Beach, and FH core MECO perhaps 150km downrange adjacent Port St Lucie. So if S2 has already separated, what is the point of the booster plane change in the western ASDS trajectory at around 250km downrange? Would it not just be a waste of propellant?

Is that the vehicle ground track, or the IIP ground track? For overflight purposes, only the IIP trace matters, and the IIP is much further downrange than the vehicle. So the booster could do the azimuth change before MECO, shaping the IIP track far downrange.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SAOCOM 1B : Mar. 30, 2020 : Florida
« Reply #97 on: 03/06/2020 09:26 pm »
Is that the vehicle ground track, or the IIP ground track? For overflight purposes, only the IIP trace matters, and the IIP is much further downrange than the vehicle. So the booster could do the azimuth change before MECO, shaping the IIP track far downrange.

I'm using the sonic boom contour maps from the draft EA (attached), and the drone ship location and flight path are clearly marked.

When would the fairing separate?

Taking the recent Starlink 1.0-F3 launch as an example, around 190km downrange adjacent Jupiter Inlet. So, if S2 were to perform the same 30°+ plane change as indicated for the western ground track booster, it would occur at an altitude of around 110 km, and a velocity of around 2,400 m/s, just after fairing separation. The cost of a 30° dogleg at this velocity would be around 1,200 m/s, and with about 1g of acceleration available from the second stage at this point, it would take around 120 seconds to perform with a full 90° yaw.  This plus additional gravity losses would take a sizeable chunk out of the payload, perhaps halving it. I can't help but think I'm missing something.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SAOCOM 1B : Mar. 30, 2020 : Florida
« Reply #98 on: 03/07/2020 04:45 am »
There's been some talk about the drone ship being located somewhere in the Caribbean Sea. Have there been unofficial reports of a drone ship landing instead of an RTLS landing?
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SAOCOM 1B : Mar. 30, 2020 : Florida
« Reply #99 on: 03/07/2020 04:54 am »
There's been some talk about the drone ship being located somewhere in the Caribbean Sea. Have there been unofficial reports of a drone ship landing instead of an RTLS landing?

There is a filing for a RTLS for this mission
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