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Davidthefat · « **Reply #20 on:** 01/14/2019 03:23 pm »

Quote from: Steven Pietrobon on 01/14/2019 08:12 am

Quote from: Tywin on 01/13/2019 06:00 pm
4-SpaceX: 7000

Will soon be 6300 with the recently announced 10% cut.

Aerojet Rocketdyne's head count is around 6000; not sure if that includes the numerous contractors working onsite.

ncb1397 · « **Reply #21 on:** 01/14/2019 03:58 pm »

Quote from: Davidthefat on 01/14/2019 03:23 pm

Quote from: Steven Pietrobon on 01/14/2019 08:12 am
Quote from: Tywin on 01/13/2019 06:00 pm
4-SpaceX: 7000

Will soon be 6300 with the recently announced 10% cut.

Aerojet Rocketdyne's head count is around 6000; not sure if that includes the numerous contractors working onsite.

Wikipedia says 4965. Their website says:

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nearly 5,000 employees

http://www.aerojetrocketdyne.com/about-us

Tywin · « **Reply #22 on:** 01/14/2019 04:04 pm »

New ranking:

1-CASC: 60000

2-Krunichev: 25000

3-Progress: 17700

4-ArianeGroup: 9000 (but not all this employees work in the space division), Thales Alenia Space: 8000, Energia:7800

5-SpaceX: 6500, Maxar Technologies: 6500,

6-Aerojet Rocketdyne: 5000

7-Energomash: 4400 (http://engine.space/eng/), Viasat: 4700

8-The space division of the giants, Boeing, LM, Northrop, Airbus, with maybe a numbers of employees between 4000-5000...

9-ULA: 3400

10-OHB SE: 2500, Telespazio Spa: 2500

11-SES:2000

12- Inmarsat: 1700, Blue Origin: 1500

13-Eutelsat: 1000, Intelsat: 1100

14-Avio Spa: 900

15-SITAEL: 380, Rocket Lab: 380, Iridium: 300

Tywin · « **Reply #23 on:** 01/14/2019 04:39 pm »

ISS-Reshetnev’s: 8500:

http://www.iss-reshetnev.com/personell

NPO Lavochkin: 5000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavochkin

1-CASC: 60000

2-Krunichev: 25000

3-Progress: 17700

4-ArianeGroup: 9000 (but not all this employees work in the space division), Thales Alenia Space: 8000, ISS-Reshetnev’s: 8500, Energia:7800

5-SpaceX: 6500, Maxar Technologies: 6500,

6-Aerojet Rocketdyne: 5000, NPO Lavochkin: 5000

7-Energomash: 4400 (http://engine.space/eng/), Viasat: 4700

8-The space division of the giants, Boeing, LM, Northrop, Airbus, with maybe a numbers of employees between 4000-5000...

9-ULA: 3400

10-OHB SE: 2500, Telespazio Spa: 2500

11-SES:2000

12- Inmarsat: 1700, Blue Origin: 1500

13-Eutelsat: 1000, Intelsat: 1100

14-Avio Spa: 900

15-SITAEL: 380, Rocket Lab: 380, Iridium: 300

Sam Ho · « **Reply #24 on:** 01/14/2019 06:00 pm »

I think Northrop Grumman may have more space-related employment than that. NGIS has about 15,000 employees, and there is also space work in Aerospace Systems. Aerospace Systems is, for example, the prime contractor on JWST.

http://www.northropgrumman.com/AboutUs/BusinessSectors/InnovationSystems/Pages/default.aspx

From Slide 6 of this presentation, when NGIS was still Orbital ATK, it appears around half of NGIS would be considered space-related.

Tywin · « **Reply #25 on:** 01/15/2019 08:14 pm »

Quote from: Sam Ho on 01/14/2019 06:00 pm

I think Northrop Grumman may have more space-related employment than that. NGIS has about 15,000 employees, and there is also space work in Aerospace Systems. Aerospace Systems is, for example, the prime contractor on JWST.

http://www.northropgrumman.com/AboutUs/BusinessSectors/InnovationSystems/Pages/default.aspx

From Slide 6 of this presentation, when NGIS was still Orbital ATK, it appears around half of NGIS would be considered space-related.

Well Orbital Sciences, was almost all space and they have 3600 employees...and later they merge with ATK (and they have space stuff too), and now belong to Northrop...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_Sciences_Corporation

It's possible that numbers...

I wonder have much employees have the Ball corporation, in her aerospace, division, that work only in space stuff...

https://www.ball.com/na/vision/innovation/aerospace

In the page 18, the this presentation, they have 3450 employees in Aerospace division...

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9NzAwMjM0fENoaWxkSUQ9NDExODUyfFR5cGU9MQ==&t=1

DreamyPickle · « **Reply #26 on:** 01/15/2019 08:29 pm »

The employee count for Russian companies is surprisingly large. CASC is at the top but according to wikipedia it makes a lot of non-space products as well.

Maybe this is counting a lot of people who actually work on missiles or aircraft? Or maybe US/EU companies rely much more on small business contracts so their employee count is understated?

Tywin · « **Reply #27 on:** 01/15/2019 09:11 pm »

Quote from: DreamyPickle on 01/15/2019 08:29 pm

The employee count for Russian companies is surprisingly large. CASC is at the top but according to wikipedia it makes a lot of non-space products as well.

Maybe this is counting a lot of people who actually work on missiles or aircraft? Or maybe US/EU companies rely much more on small business contracts so their employee count is understated?

For CASC we try to pick only the space employees...and for the Russian company the same...

Yeah, if Roscosmos, don't recovery in the future with better budget, and S7 for example don't compete in the commercial market, I think so this russian companies they will have to reduce employees...

By the way somebody know what happens, to the website the Yuzhmash?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuzhmash

And how much employees have Yuzhnoye and Yuzhmash today?

https://www.yuzhnoye.com/en/home/

Jorge · « **Reply #28 on:** 01/16/2019 01:04 am »

Quote from: whitelancer64 on 01/10/2019 03:13 pm

Boeing employs over 50,000 people. Most of these people work on airplanes, not space-related stuff.

I've heard their space-related division is about 4,000 people, but I'm not sure how accurate that is.

http://www.boeing.com/company/general-info/#/employment-data

141,322 total, with 35,562 in Defense, Space & Security.

imprezive · « **Reply #29 on:** 01/16/2019 02:23 pm »

Virgin Orbit is ~500

Source: https://twitter.com/Virgin_Orbit/status/1081286956359643136

Tywin · « **Reply #30 on:** 01/16/2019 04:50 pm »

Yuzhnoye :

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As of the beginning of 2018, the number of employees at the enterprise is more than 5000.

https://www.yuzhnoye.com/en/company/kbu-today/

Nobody know what happens with Yuzhmash corporation website?

New ranking:

1-CASC: 60000

2-Krunichev: 25000

3-Progress: 17700

4-ArianeGroup: 9000 (but not all this employees work in the space division), Thales Alenia Space: 8000, ISS-Reshetnev’s: 8500, Energia:7800

5-SpaceX: 6500, Maxar Technologies: 6500,

6-Aerojet Rocketdyne: 5000, NPO Lavochkin: 5000, Yuzhnoye: 5000

7-Energomash: 4400 (http://engine.space/eng/), Viasat: 4700

8-The space division of the giants, Boeing, LM, Northrop, Airbus, with maybe a numbers of employees between 4000-5000...

9-ULA: 3400

10-OHB SE: 2500, Telespazio Spa: 2500

11-SES:2000

12- Inmarsat: 1700, Blue Origin: 1500

13-Eutelsat: 1000, Intelsat: 1100, Ball Aerospace: 1000 (estimate from her presentation)

14-Avio Spa: 900

15-Virgin Orbit: 500

16-SITAEL: 380, Rocket Lab: 380, Iridium: 300

luhai167 · « **Reply #31 on:** 01/17/2019 06:25 am »

Quote from: Tywin on 01/15/2019 09:11 pm

For CASC we try to pick only the space employees...and for the Russian company the same...

The probably with CASC is that even the space related sub-companies still do non-space stuff, it can muddy as they are vertically integrated and do sell to outside customers. for example making valves and turbo-pumps for both space and petrochemical industry, and making their own machine-tools for fabricating rocket parts, which they reconfigure to fab train parts and sell to the rail industry, solar cell fabs that make panels for both satellites and rooftops.

So basically a single company is doing what dozens of subcontractors would do elsewhere plus doing side jobs as well. Which make sense as China needs to build a entire industry from scratch due to embargoes, also need to take on side jobs to fill occupy idle resources as well.

Tywin · « **Reply #32 on:** 12/14/2019 03:06 pm »

For the next year, Blue will have the same number of employees, that ULA...

https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/1199244758067093504

New ranking:

1-CASC: 60000

2-Krunichev: 25000

3-Progress: 17700

4-ArianeGroup: 9000 (but not all this employees work in the space division), Thales Alenia Space: 8000, ISS-Reshetnev’s: 8500, Energia:7800

5-SpaceX: 6500, Maxar Technologies: 6500,

6-Aerojet Rocketdyne: 5000, NPO Lavochkin: 5000, Yuzhnoye: 5000

7-Energomash: 4400 (http://engine.space/eng/), Viasat: 4700

8-The space division of the giants, Boeing, LM, Northrop, Airbus, with maybe a numbers of employees between 4000-5000...

9-ULA: 3400, Blue Origin: 3500

10-OHB SE: 2500, Telespazio Spa: 2500

11-SES:2000

12- Inmarsat: 1700

13-Eutelsat: 1000, Intelsat: 1100, Ball Aerospace: 1000 (estimate from her presentation)

14-Avio Spa: 900

15-Virgin Orbit: 500

16-SITAEL: 380, Rocket Lab: 380, Iridium: 300

testguy · « **Reply #33 on:** 12/14/2019 03:51 pm »

The numbers for Aerojet are very misleading. Much of the head count is unrelated to space. Tactical rocket motors for the war fighter are a major portion of the business.

Tywin · « **Reply #34 on:** 12/14/2019 04:37 pm »

Quote from: testguy on 12/14/2019 03:51 pm

The numbers for Aerojet are very misleading. Much of the head count is unrelated to space. Tactical rocket motors for the war fighter are a major portion of the business.

The half then maybe?

testguy · « **Reply #35 on:** 12/14/2019 07:00 pm »

Quote from: Tywin on 12/14/2019 04:37 pm

Quote from: testguy on 12/14/2019 03:51 pm
The numbers for Aerojet are very misleading. Much of the head count is unrelated to space. Tactical rocket motors for the war fighter are a major portion of the business.

The half then maybe?

It is kind of hard to pull the numbers out of the annual report. For instance how much of missile defense is space and how much is tactical rockets. However your guesstimate of 50% is probably a reasonably estimate overall.

novak · « **Reply #36 on:** 12/14/2019 09:42 pm »

https://patch.com/texas/cedar-park/cedar-park-based-firefly-aerospace-named-turnaround-year

Firefly Aerospace has "over 500 employees," which puts them roughly tied with virgin orbit.

Tywin · « **Reply #37 on:** 04/04/2021 02:44 am »

April 2021 Ranking:

1-CASC: 60000

2-Krunichev: 25000

3-Progress: 17700

4- SpaceX: 9500, ArianeGroup: 9000 (but not all these employees work in the space division), Thales Alenia Space: 8000, ISS-Reshetnev’s: 8500,

5-Energia:7800

6-Aerojet Rocketdyne: 5000, NPO Lavochkin: 5000, Yuzhnoye: 5000

7-Energomash: 4400 (http://engine.space/eng/), Viasat: 4700, Maxar Technologies: 4500

8-The space division of the giants, Boeing, LM, Northrop, Airbus, with maybe a number of employees between 4000-5000...

9-ULA: 3400, Blue Origin: 3500

10-OHB SE: 2500, Telespazio Spa: 2500, SNC:4000 (but not all are space employees ...)

11-SES:2000, MDA:2000

12-Virgin Galactic: 1850, Inmarsat: 1700

13-Eutelsat: 1000, Intelsat: 1100, Ball Aerospace: 1000 (estimate from her presentation)

14-Avio Spa: 900

15-Virgin Orbit: 500, Rocket Lab: 500, Firefly Space: 500

16-SITAEL: 380, Iridium: 300

17-Relativity Space: 230, Astra: 100

SpaceX is already the 4th largest company in numbers of employees and the largest of Western private companies ...

trimeta · « **Reply #38 on:** 04/04/2021 03:41 am »

The most recent numbers I've got for a couple of the small-launch providers are slightly different.

Firefly: 325 as of March 24th 2021
Rocket Lab: 530 as of March 1st 2021

I've also got some older numbers which aren't that different from Tywin's and may just be out of date.

Relativity: 260 (source is a YouTube video, see end of this post) as of January 29th 2021
Astra: 100 as of December 16th 2020 (this is identical to Tywin's count, I include it for completion)
Virgin Orbit: 575 as of October 6th 2020

And here are a few more small-launch companies for which I could find numbers.

Launcher: 20 as of March 26th 2021
Orbex: 55 as of December 10th 2020
Aevum: 180 as of December 3rd 2020

If anyone has sources for more updated counts, or counts for other small-launch providers, I'd love to see them.

Relativity YouTube reference (specifically, at timestamp 1:48):

Rebel44 · « **Reply #39 on:** 04/04/2021 06:02 am »

Quote from: Tywin on 04/04/2021 02:44 am

April 2021 Ranking:

1-CASC: 60000

2-Krunichev: 25000

3-Progress: 17700

4- SpaceX: 9500, ArianeGroup: 9000 (but not all these employees work in the space division), Thales Alenia Space: 8000, ISS-Reshetnev’s: 8500,

5-Energia:7800

6-Aerojet Rocketdyne: 5000, NPO Lavochkin: 5000, Yuzhnoye: 5000

7-Energomash: 4400 (http://engine.space/eng/), Viasat: 4700, Maxar Technologies: 4500

8-The space division of the giants, Boeing, LM, Northrop, Airbus, with maybe a number of employees between 4000-5000...

9-ULA: 3400, Blue Origin: 3500

10-OHB SE: 2500, Telespazio Spa: 2500, SNC:4000 (but not all are space employees ...)

11-SES:2000, MDA:2000

12-Virgin Galactic: 1850, Inmarsat: 1700

13-Eutelsat: 1000, Intelsat: 1100, Ball Aerospace: 1000 (estimate from her presentation)

14-Avio Spa: 900

15-Virgin Orbit: 500, Rocket Lab: 500, Firefly Space: 500

16-SITAEL: 380, Iridium: 300

17-Relativity Space: 230, Astra: 100

SpaceX is already the 4th largest company in numbers of employees and the largest of Western private companies ...

btw.: you are mashing 4 different companies (SpaceX, ArianeGroup, Thales Alenia Space, and ISS-Reshetnev’s) into the the 4th place.