Author Topic: How much can KSC, and/or CCAFS grow in the future?  (Read 802 times)

Offline Tywin

My question is how much space have the KSC for growth in the future?

For example is possible in the future have space for build a launch pad, for the BFR the SpaceX, and the New Armstrong the BO?

Edit/Lar: Fix grammar in title, encompass CCAFS as well.
« Last Edit: 01/09/2019 09:42 pm by Lar »

Offline TrevorMonty

Re: KSC, How much can growth in the future?
« Reply #1 on: 01/08/2019 06:22 am »
My question is how much space have the KSC for growth in the future?

For example is possible in the future have space for build a launch pad, for the BFR the SpaceX, and the New Armstrong the BO?
I'd guess Blue will place a NA launch pad close to their existing factory.

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Re: KSC, How much can growth in the future?
« Reply #2 on: 01/08/2019 06:48 am »
Tywin.  You should do some searches and reading up to get up to speed;

Where will BFR launch from?

Blue Origin working towards making the Cape its Orbital Launch Site
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Offline Tywin

Re: KSC, How much can growth in the future?
« Reply #3 on: 01/08/2019 04:25 pm »
Tywin.  You should do some searches and reading up to get up to speed;

Where will BFR launch from?

Blue Origin working towards making the Cape its Orbital Launch Site

Thanks for the answer, I know the BO have a pad launch for the New Glenn, and the SpacX have for F9/FH...and they have Boca Chica in TX, for BFR...but the question is the KSC have space for make new pad, for the NA o for the BFR if they want launch in the future right there...o for other companies like Firefly, Relativy Space, etc..


My question is if the KSC have capacity and space for continued growth in the future, let's say 30-40 years from now...?
« Last Edit: 01/08/2019 04:37 pm by Tywin »

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Re: KSC, How much can growth in the future?
« Reply #4 on: 01/08/2019 04:34 pm »
There were once plans for an expansion of launch pads for Apollo.

There's lots of space, the problem is that now a lot of that space is protected wetlands, and that's also very difficult terrain to build on. They have to jump through lots of environmental regulations and reviews to do anything at KSC.

That said, the future land use master plan has some locations that could be used for launch pads - "notional LC-48 and -49"

https://masterplan.ksc.nasa.gov/Maps
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Re: KSC, How much can growth in the future?
« Reply #5 on: 01/08/2019 04:44 pm »
Thanks  whitelancer64  :) that is exactly what I wanna know...


I hope, all this land, we will can make for build new pads, for the future space private companies and the KSC continue like the best spaceport for see launches...

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Re: How much can KSC, and/or CCAFS, grow in the future?
« Reply #6 on: 01/09/2019 02:33 am »
SLC 37 will be available in a few years.   Also, there's plenty of space along the old "ICBM Row".

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Re: How much can KSC, and/or CCAFS, grow in the future?
« Reply #7 on: 01/09/2019 05:59 pm »
There were once plans for an expansion of launch pads for Apollo.

There's lots of space, the problem is that now a lot of that space is protected wetlands, and that's also very difficult terrain to build on. They have to jump through lots of environmental regulations and reviews to do anything at KSC.

That said, the future land use master plan has some locations that could be used for launch pads - "notional LC-48 and -49"

https://masterplan.ksc.nasa.gov/Maps

Yes, in fact the notional LC-49 is the Apollo-era LC-39C/D site.

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In keeping with previous recommendations from the 1966, Ď72 and Ď77 KSC Master Planís, when the market demands an expansion of vertical launch capacity this Plan recommends an additional vertical launch pad, Launch Complex 49 (LC-49), to be sited to the north of existing 39B.  As part of the EIS process, this area was consolidated from two pads (formerly designated as 39-C and 39-D) to one that provides greater separation from LC-39B.  The area was expanded to accommodate a wider variety of launch azimuths, helping protect against potential overflight concerns of LC-39B.  LC-49 could accommodate medium to large class launch vehicles.  In addition, a 2007 Vertical Launch Site Evaluation Study concluded that a vertical launch pad could also be sited to the south of 39A and to the north of pad 41 to accommodate small/medium launch vehicles.  Designated as Launch Complex 48 (LC-48), this area is best suited to accommodate small to medium class launch vehicles due to its closer proximity to LC-39A and LC-41.  Due to the nature of these activities, QD arcs, launch hazard impact limit lines, other safety setback, and exposure limits requirements will be imposed for safe operations.

https://masterplan.ksc.nasa.gov/Future-State/Future-Land-Use/Vertical-Launch
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